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    There's a set of the same coaches in Marks for €109. Who's more deluded the seller or the buyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRich View Post
    There's a set of the same coaches in Marks for €109. Who's more deluded the seller or the buyer.
    Interestingly the ones on eBay have white/cream coloured roofs, whereas the marks models ones are dark grey roofs??? Same model numbers so did bachmann produce two variants?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedRich View Post
    €110 for two 42ft flat wagons, won't sag like resin or brass apparently.
    Hmmm price aside, I've yet to see a brass built one that is not warped or twisted in some way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel View Post
    Interestingly the ones on eBay have white/cream coloured roofs, whereas the marks models ones are dark grey roofs??? Same model numbers so did bachmann produce two variants?


    Hmmm price aside, I've yet to see a brass built one that is not warped or twisted in some way.
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    Where have you seen the brass kit built wagons that they are warped or twisted How many different individuals models have you seen. Do you blame the kits or the builders. Why not offer up a post on how best the modeller or manufacturer might improve the kit. I'm sure they would love to know.

    It could be the lighting conditions or else he did unclip the roof and lightened the colour. If he did re paint the roof it really should be mentioned in the description. Saying they are hard to source is a bit cheeky when the are available in Marks for €109.

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  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Noel View Post
    Interestingly the ones on eBay have white/cream coloured roofs, whereas the marks models ones are dark grey roofs??? Same model numbers so did bachmann produce two variants
    It's the brightness of the light shining on the roof. It looks the correct factory colour to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel View Post
    Hmmm price aside, I've yet to see a brass built one that is not warped or twisted in some way.
    The BRASS 42' flat is so well designed that you'd have to go out of your way to make it warped or twisted. The mind boggles at that statement. R
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel View Post
    Interestingly the ones on eBay have white/cream coloured roofs, whereas the marks models ones are dark grey roofs??? Same model numbers so did bachmann produce two variants?



    Hmmm price aside, I've yet to see a brass built one that is not warped or twisted in some way.
    Bit of a sweeping statement to make Noel.There's plenty of brass kits running on layouts that suffer from none of the above mentioned.I've also seen many brass kits on here which have been built to exceptionally high standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenderg View Post
    The BRASS 42' flat is so well designed that you'd have to go out of your way to make it warped or twisted. The mind boggles at that statement. R
    Agree 100% it is one of the cleverest designed brass kits I have seen. Patience and time is all that is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason brady View Post
    Bit of a sweeping statement to make Noel.There's plenty of brass kits running on layouts that suffer from none of the above mentioned.I've also seen many brass kits on here which have been built to exceptionally high standards.
    Fair enough. I was not criticising any particular kit, but rather the results the medium itself yields in the hands of 'some' average builders. And photos from layouts bear this up. There are a small number of superb master builders on here who aim for and achieve precision results from brass, but that seems to be more the exception than the norm. I know I would fall into the latter category myself with this material.

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    The medium, as you describe it, demands a level of precision and accuracy to design that is on par with anything I've entertained with my Asian counterparts. In fact, you can attain a higher level of fidelity with brass than you can with plastic, due to the tolerances of injection moulding gates and so on. Try any brass kit, any at all, and I guarantee that the person who authored it went through several iterations of design, etch, build & discard, to finally get to a finished item, for the market. The brass kit makers lot is one of pilgrimage, that involves the bending of metal to perfectly mesh on the fold, to be soldered and line up absolutely true. Anyone who has tackled a Kearney/SSM, John Mayne, or even a UK brass kit will know that if you know what bit sticks to what other bit, it's impossible to have it warp or bend.

    To say that "I was not criticising any particular kit, but rather the results the medium itself yields in the hands of 'some' average builders. And photos from layouts bear this up" is tantamount to a fella saying "the sky is mostly blue, but on the odd occasion it's green, but I've no photos to back this up". Complete Balderdash.

    This is an appallingly incorrect message to propagate on this, or any of the other fora you post on, that brass kits are inordinately difficult and are the preserve of a select few, and you should withdraw those comments. It's the same as a dapol kit - stick A to B, then to C. It's just heat, solder and flux as opposed to glue and pray. Resin and Whitemetal kits will bend and warp like Pat Hickey at an OCI inquiry, but not brass.

    Lastly, I have yet to see a warped brass finished kit on either here, or RMweb in all my years of perusing both. I'd be enlightened if such photos actually existed and would encourage you to post them in a new thread, so I can ally any "brass fears" you may have , in an appropriate place.

    To keep this "on topic" here's a cracking offer, if anyone's in the mood.

    http://www.ebay.ie/itm/322741898367?ul_noapp=true

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    Excellent post from someone who knows exactly what he is talking about. Also getting back on topic the Cravens really are a fantastic model that deserve their place at the top table. Definitely one of MM's finest models, I love them, even at full price they are still a bargain.

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