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Looking absolutely stunning :):)

 

Doesn't it just, are you going to be the lucky recipient of that masterpiece Stephen.

 

Rich,

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Here's a snap of how crap Bachmann Y25's look under a scatchbuilt Taglo Pocket Wagon. I get the feeling at times we're working in Narrow Gauge!

 

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In other news, a little project for a layout ye are all familiar with. Another few hours and she'll be done. Anyone know where we might source scale victorian lamps and brackets, and possibly hanging baskets? No joke!

 

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Richie.

 

That pubs something else! darker inside than a pint of Guinness:tumbsup: can almost smell the smoke and hear the caint ceol & craic!

 

It hard to know whats best to do with OO the gauge pack out the bogie or wagon sideframes the guage is already undersized for Standard Gauge and the move to finer wheel sets makes it look worse.

 

The older O gauge modellers stuck to coarse scale wheel sets, but do you really notice the difference frrom 2 foot when a train is running?

 

John

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That pubs something else! darker inside than a pint of Guinness:tumbsup: can almost smell the smoke and hear the caint ceol & craic!

 

Thank you sir, coming from yourself, I'm humbled.

 

It hard to know whats best to do with OO the gauge pack out the bogie or wagon sideframes the guage is already undersized for Standard Gauge and the move to finer wheel sets makes it look worse.

 

The more I scratchbuild carriages and freight wagons the closer I am to subscribing to the 21mm church that yourself, Rich, and GeorgeConna attend.[bowing in admiration here] I'm no rivet counter but it is the right way to do things ultimately. The most sensible approach, as Rich proposes, is to cobble together something approximating the correct look within the constraints of 16.5mm track that should be 21mm. I'm looking forward to his bogie solutions!

 

The older O gauge modellers stuck to coarse scale wheel sets, but do you really notice the difference frrom 2 foot when a train is running?John

 

No, indeed you don't. But. If it's wrong the only person who sees the discrepancy and who is unhappy with the result is usually the person who built it. This is an argument that will run long after both of us are planted, so as me aul fella once said, "each to their own.=))

 

Richie

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Richie, modelling 21mm is a bit of a specialist subject and the thing that turns most people off is the filing of the vees and and switch blades. Compensation is another thing that puts people off also. The Scalefour Society provides through it's stores the relevant switch and vee filing jigs as well as gauges for building the track. I use Templot for drawing the track as you can really get the track to flow in a way that you just can't with standard proprietary track. You can adjust the adjacent track centers on double line track move the sleepers around and it even sets the placement for the fishplates every 17th sleeper. I am only scratching at the surface of what Templot can do and after 5 years I am still learning. There is a Templot user group as well so if you get to a point where you need help you will be sorted out in a jiffy. Martin Wynne who designed Templot is on the group every day and there is nothing that he couldn't help you with.

 

Having seen you're exceptional skill as a modeller Richie I am certain that you would have no problems adapting. If there is anything you would like to know don't hesitate to ask.

 

Rich,

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I think 21mm is more a choice of whether you get more enjoyment out of the building or operating/looking at a finished model. Whatever the technical difficulties time and space are the biggest issues.

 

After 20 odd years working in 21mm I am still struggling to find space for even a simple 21mm gauge layout, layouts like Anthony's or Amiens St would be difficult if not impossible to build in any realistic space or timeframe in 21mm.

 

Most of the more successsfull ones like Adavadoyle, Loughrea or Belturbet have largely been group efforts and taken a long time. Tony Mills had already developed his own track and wheel standards before commencing the second Adavoyle layout in the 1980s, the MRSI Loughrea layout has taken roughly 20 years and a number of re-builds to reach its present state.

 

I would say if you are prepared to spend the time its well worth the effort, however its best to stick to OO if you want to build a large or complex operating layout.

 

John

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I think 21mm is more a choice of whether you get more enjoyment out of the building or operating/looking at a finished model. Whatever the technical difficulties time and space are the biggest issues.

 

After 20 odd years working in 21mm I am still struggling to find space for even a simple 21mm gauge layout, layouts like Anthony's or Amiens St would be difficult if not impossible to build in any realistic space or timeframe in 21mm.

 

Most of the more successsfull ones like Adavadoyle, Loughrea or Belturbet have largely been group efforts and taken a long time. Tony Mills had already developed his own track and wheel standards before commencing the second Adavoyle layout in the 1980s, the MRSI Loughrea layout has taken roughly 20 years and a number of re-builds to reach its present state.

 

I would say if you are prepared to spend the time its well worth the effort, however its best to stick to OO if you want to build a large or complex operating layout.

 

John

 

Hi John space is definitely a major issue when considering a model railway in 00 21mm. When you consider the size of a C or D switch and compare it to the largest of Peco switches it does seem huge. There are some nice small stations on the network that would make a nice model in their current state. Thomastown, Bagnalstown, Carrick On Suir to name but a few. My own layout of Clonmel will more than likely be compressed to allow me to model the goods shed main station building and the crossing at the Tipp side of the road bridge. However if I can twist the arm of SWMBO to allow a bigger man shed then I might be able to squeeze in a bit more rail.

 

The introduction of the range of products that are available from the P4 Track Co now makes it a lot less of a challenge to build correct gauge track. C&L also provide machined switches and fully assembled crossing vee's. Both companies also provide point kits with all the work done for you. You would have to use you're own sleepers though with a P4 Track Co kit as the sleepers have locating pips for the chairs set at 18.83. There are a lot more gauges and fine tuning gauges available to the modeller now since the Modelling Irish Railways book was published, so it is even less of a daunting task now.

 

Rich,

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Amongst the categories of buildings that you already have completed - kit wise, would you have any stations constructed with polychrome brick as used by the GNR?

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Hi Kirley,

 

I really haven't completed many kits, as the instructions are unbelievably time consuming, and there's not enough hours in the day. I have the texture sheets made up for the buff, blue, red brick combination used from Connolly [inspector's Hut], Malahide, Dundalk, and Navan, so it's a matter of prototyping each one to create the kit. The depth of windows and door openings in these buildings means that there are several layers of card built up to achieve the relief of the real thing.

 

Mixed in with the GNR buildings are the timber panelled type, as seen in Laytown, Kesh, and CastleCaldwell. These are smaller buildings and make relatively easier kit builds.

 

Then, there are the type that are more northerly & polychrome brick in nature, and far more decorative. Cultra, Maguiresbridge, Brookeborough, and Fivemiletown, Craigavad, Tullymurry & Carnalea. I've only a small amount of photos and few sketch drawings, so a field trip with camera and measuring gear is required. The detail of these fabulous buildings also demand that etched brass/laser cut card is used for barge boards.

 

Cultra is probably the obvious choice - and it deserves restoration, even if only in card form!

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidbladon/5765578630/lightbox/

 

Is that what you were thinking or did you have another station in mind?

Richie.

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Richie I am looking for a station similar to the Adavoyle Layout if you know it but of medium size.

The stations below are of Warrenpoint, Lurgan & Lisburn, all long gone but a representation of that style is what I’m after.

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PS If you are after photographs of Cultra I could take some and forward them to you.

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Richie I am looking for a station similar to the Adavoyle Layout if you know it but of medium size.

The stations below are of Warrenpoint, Lurgan & Lisburn, all long gone but a representation of that style is what I’m after.

 

Malahide Station is one I am doing at the moment, it's only a prototype. The approach to the roof was wrong, it's slightly curved the overall building,and has to be stripped and rebuilt.

 

 

 

It is about 2 foot long. Navan Station might be an option if you wanted something with a smaller footprint? Let me know.

 

PS If you are after photographs of Cultra I could take some and forward them to you.
Absolute gent! I'm not in an hurry to do Cultra, but if you're in that neck of the woods, with a camera, and some time on your hands....;)

 

Richie.

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There are plenty of mid sized stations still existing that you can chase up. To my mind W.H.Mills GNR polychrome and pale yellow design is one of the most beautiful of the irish system.

 

So true Des! I have to say, a recent experience in the UK leads me to the notion that whilst they have far more activity and variety on the rail network, we win, north and south, with the quality and diversity of historic buildings on the active network, and even those in private ownership. When you see a marks & sparks in Paddington, you can't pin that on Dr. Beeching!!!

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"Navan Station might be an option if you wanted something with a smaller footprint? Let me know."

 

Thanks Weshty for the picture link, I agree they are special buildings.

Richie, I'll get round to photographs of Cultra and contact you when I have them.

I would be interest in Navan Station and I’ll PM you tomorrow about it.

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So true Des! I have to say, a recent experience in the UK leads me to the notion that whilst they have far more activity and variety on the rail network, we win, north and south, with the quality and diversity of historic buildings on the active network, and even those in private ownership. When you see a marks & sparks in Paddington, you can't pin that on Dr. Beeching!!!

 

Thanks Richie. I would have to agree. I feel (subjectively of course) that it's a case of "death by redbrick" in the UK in a lot of municipal architecture.

We haven't covered ourselves in glory here, but the lack of development from independance until the mid '70's did mean that the glorious legacy of victorian vernacular architecture was left very much intact. And at least by the mid to late '80's the movement to preserve the pre 1930's legacy was well underway.

Cut limestone bridges and facades in the south

Red sandstone on the Achill-Westport line

Old red sandstone in Cork

The preponderance of granite in south Dublin

And of course all the private railway master's houses and stations that have been lovingly restored and maintained.

Newmarket on Fergus

Virginia

Headford

Not to mind the open stations that have been superbly updated a la Heuston.

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Long time no update, been busy working on a few of these, but this has to take the biscuit - the Ballykay Motive Power Depot! It will hold 12 201's or 16 141/181's, when assembled. [More photos of other sheds during the week.]

 

 

 

R.

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=D

 

Surely there comes a point when the Council will be requiring the submission of Planning Applications..?

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=D

 

Surely there comes a point when the Council will be requiring the submission of Planning Applications..?

 

 

As the head Councillor of Ballykay all brown envelopes have been received and all planning applications passed.=))

 

Looking great Richie:tumbsup:

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Finally your brilliantly weathered locos will have somewhere to stay Anto!!!!!!!!!! That shed is unbelievable!!!

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:tumbsup: {to both posts above!}

 

And just to add, having properly looked at your Malahide...total respect. it is really lovely. Is that all printed paper you have used? Do you have an upclose shot of the polychrome section? and the entrance area?

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Thanks lads for all the comments =D

 

And just to add, having properly looked at your Malahide...total respect. it is really lovely. Is that all printed paper you have used? Do you have an upclose shot of the polychrome section? and the entrance area?

Yip, all printed paper. I'll get you a decent upclose shots later once the battery is recharged.

 

Richie

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Glenderg , your work is fabulous

I will have to buy something from you once I start on the scenery for my layout

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I can personally vouch for the fact that it looks even better in the flesh! Makes even modem factory made stuff look shoddy!

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