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I genuinely feel sorry for you guys and this layout this is no way to treat a national treasure.

Short of suggesting the setting up of a new heritage center somewhere in Eire where it would be appreciated and possibly in an old station as well I don't know what else to suggest.

The other thing to make something happen would be to get a few of you to see if you can somehow become Trustees of the group which now owns the layout at that level you can try and make the decision to find a new site for the layout. I am not sure just how big you need the building, but a layout like this needs to be displayed properly.

 

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Drove past Malahide Casio today. Since last time I was there they have put up a nice sign saying "Coming soon". :)

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Soon, yes a lovely word that can mean so much (or nothing).

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Fry Model railway Facebook.

'Update on Fry Model Railway & Casino Project, Malahide
Tenders were received in late January for the refurbishment and extension of the Casino cottage building to allow for use as a new home for the Fry Model Railway collection. Following a clarification process the tender assessment has been concluded and subject to final checks a tender report and recommendation to appoint a contractor is imminent. Based on tendering procedures it is now likely that a contractor will start on site in mid-April 2018. The works are contracted to last 44 weeks finishing on site mid-February 2019.

The tender assessment has been completed and a letter of intent has issued in relation to the design and construction of the Fry Model Railway exhibition. The proposal includes a large working model train display as a central element in the main exhibition space.

We are very pleased that work should be starting shortly as the condition of the property is gradually deteriorating.'

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It seems that work is beginning at the Casino cottage.

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Interesting. Does anybody know if it will be limited to a static display of the Fry collection or if there will also be an operational layout running the layout stock that was at Malahide castle?

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45 minutes ago, Noel said:

Interesting. Does anybody know if it will be limited to a static display of the Fry collection or if there will also be an operational layout running the layout stock that was at Malahide castle?

 

See here Noel

 

The layout stock that ran in the Castle was more Mr Tadhg's than Fry, the majority of the Fry models were in the display cases and storage- some of his diesels ran on the layout until they wore out the WM wheels.....

Eoin

 

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About time.

In my opinion, the actual Fry models ought to be displayed; they are too valuable and unique to wear out. Detailed photos of the innards and home-made mechanisms which power them would be of interest. In this day and age, more modern state-of-the-art models by Murphy, Provincial, SSM, IRM and the other manufacturers here would make a better operational display.

For readers of this website, no introductions are necessary, but in all reality the regulars here would collectively do a better job than anyone else at assembling a working layout, starting with baseboards and ending up with high-end scenery. The opportunities are there. Using kits alone, the NCC, GNR, and CIE / GSR areas and eras from 1930s onwards would be easy to replicate, in so mnay cases just with RTR off-the-shelf models.

Perhaps a consortium of kindred folks here might open discussions with whoever is putting this all together?

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Hi JHB

Some time back myself and Mr Tierney- refer back in this thread, made representation to the Minister, the custodians, the local authority and the friends of the Fry Model- all to no avail. In my submission in the planning process I again offered assistance- I reckon what happened in the past has made the custodians vary guarded and they feel we just want to take away their goodies!

With the limited size of the proposed facility I reckon the complete Fry Collection just will not fit. The hall for a Gauge 0 layout is restrictive in size, so as you say a Gauge 00 layout would seem more appropriate, of course there could be a O track incorporated to allow Fry Models run on special occasions- maybe!

This would be sad and disappointing, but for the patrons that visit the new facility- they would not know the difference!

Eoin

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Now that you mention it, Eoin, I remember you mentioning that. A terrible shame, as you say.

Maybe an outsider recommending your services and wares.........?

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Indeed a shame.  To attract footfall it will really need a fairly impressive operating layout of some kind, with lots of action especially targeted at tourists, children and families rather than just modellers.  Yes the O gauge layout in the castle was more a very big colourful 'train set' lacking authenticity, but it had enough visual stimulus to make 10yo boys faint with excitement. Static displays alone will not generate footfall. I do hope they can build and more importantly operate a visually stimulating layout with lots of movement, noises and lights, ships and planes also.

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It is very disappointing to hear the announcement that the running model will now be in Gauge OO scale, it was inevitable I suppose with the way the County Council design team ignored the scale of the Fry Layout and chose a facility & extension not compatible with what would be required.

A large Gauge OO layout will be a delight to have but will in no way personify, compare or pay homage to the Fry Layout. This may not matter to the general public, but in my opinion, and others, dilutes and seriously diminishes the impact and essence of what the Fry Model is, or from now on- used to be.

There is a belief on the part of the design team that the Gauge O models cannot be restored to running condition (the original Fry Models are restricted from running) or new stock prepared on the basis of the cost- 1.5 million Euro was left by Mr Gaffney, which is now probably over 2 million Euro on deposit, for the restoration of the Fry Model and housing the exhibit in the Casino, of which the majority of this money the Council has decided is going on the building and interior display systems and a very small proportion of the bequeath is going on conservation of the models and the building of the Gauge OO layout.

In my opinion this is wrong and has come about because of the lack of understanding of what the Fry Model is, it's scale, and the fact that there was no 'Qualified' person on the design team to represent the Fry Model and to promote the restoration of the models and keep the running layout at Gauge O scale. Also ensuring an adequate proportion of the funds went towards the exhibits restoration and additions in the future.

I have not seen the interior design for this project, but on reviewing previous work the appointed interior design company has done- it's minimalistic, with very modern feel, a design company that will spend far more money on interior finishes, display cabinets and display systems than the Council has decided to spend on the actual exhibits.

There is also additional money being put into the building project by the Council on behalf of the Irish people!

I made several attempts to offer assistance to the Action Team for the Fry Model, and to the County Council, but my assistance was flatly refused and ignored. I did make submission during the planning process and was successful in having a few alterations done to the design- but the main point of 'Scale' was ignored.

An opportunity lost, it could have been so much better, though it would have required a larger budget and a lot more visionary thinking and planning on the part of the design team to achieve it.

It is great to see the project proceed, although in diminished form.

 

Eoin

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Disappointed, but not surprised, unenlightened Ireland being what it is. One train set (sic.) is as good as the next it seems. 

From the post above it looks like it's going to be a new fangled "Interpretive Centre" rather than the Fry Model Railway we knew.

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Unfortunately, Minister, that's exactly what it is going to be. I've seen bits of the plans and have spoken to several,of the design team, and thus I regretfully concur with all murrayec's comments.

It will give a little history of the town, the castle estate (who once owned the. Casino house), Fry himself, a minimalistic bit of railway history, and the models. And it'll have a train set! Woohoo!

For the likes of us here, worth looking at, but that's about it.  For the kiddies wanting to see Thomas, an afternoon out.

Long term financial viability.........dunno?

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