Paint colours and shades

[waffles]

Hi i need to match the green used on the bachmann green coaches with the closest match to a commercial made paint by tamya, humbrol or any easy to get ready made paint acrilic or enamel

or better still the correct shade that appered on cie passenger coaches from the start of cie up untill the black and orange of the early 60s

Edited May 8, 2012 by waffles

[jhb171achill]

Waffles, I can't help you with which brand of paint best matches it, but there were several shades of green! From inception of CIE to the mid 50s, the green was a dark brunswick green, with light green bands above and below window level. These light bands, as well as the "flying snail" logo, and numerals and numbers to denote class, were all lined in gold. The gold-lined "snail" can be seen now on the RPSI's loco 461.

 

From about 1955/6, the lighter green started to appear. This was accompanied again by the light green "snail" and numerals, but by now with just a single thin light green line along the waist line. It may be noted that from 1950, some dark green vehicles had variations. AEC railcars carried the thin waist line from the start, never the two broader bands. Narrow gauge coaches were exceptions too: while two Schull & Skib four wheelers got the full livery, Cavan & Leitrim coaches had a single light-coloured band above window level, with none below. West Clare coaches, including Tralee & Dingle imports and the railcars and trailers, had all over green with no lining at all. The railcars and trailers didn't have snails either. Some very old coaches in West Cork had strange variations, such as one bogie with all ov er dark green, no lining, and two white "snails"!

 

Plenty of room for manoevre for you! Hope that helps. The lighter shade of CIE green (post '55) can be seen on the RPSI's Dublin[-based wooden carriage set.

[Broithe]

there were several shades of green

 

I've heard rumours that there might have been as many as forty...

[jhb171achill]

Hahah could be, Broithe! Years ago there used to be a rumour that whenever the GNR needed to paint a loco in Dundalk, they went to the nearest paint supplier and got the closest they had!

 

In reality, the myth couldn't have been further from the truth, as the GNR was very meticulous about paint shades being exact, and even employed a paint chemist / specialist, part of whose remit was to ensure the maintenance of such standards. I knew hom as a youth, alas, he is now in that Great Locomotive Shed in the sky; surrounded, no doubt, by endless blue 4.4.0s hauling varnished carriages around.................

[Broithe]

Hahah could be, Broithe!

 

Actually, that's © Ed - from the last Forum...

[waffles]

Cheers thanks for your help so far, any brand or type of paint is usable for me

[FrankS]

Hi Guys,

Interesting reply from jhb171achill on the many shades of CIE green. I'm colourblind which adds a whole new dimension to the problem of getting shades right

I wonder were any of the CIE greens similar to the UK Southern Railway Green as interpreted by Hornby ?

Thanx, Frank Savery

[Guest hidden-agenda]

Hello Frank I tried emerald green ( Revell 61) and a coat of klearcote matte http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/tools/alclad/tool_alclad2_clears.shtml on an old hornby body and it looks ok but then its a case of 40 shades and other guys could say it looks wrong so what ever your happy with at the end of the day.

[heirflick]

the nicest shade of green is the one that silver fox uses on the metro vics. its called p118 BR multiple unit green pre 1954 (dull), from phoenix precision paints

 

 

[jhb171achill]

FrankS - the green used by British Railways on steam locos would be somewhat closer. SR green is a quite unique (though attractive) shade. But there vwere several definite versions of SR green - one more limey / yellowy, the other more like the BR.

 

The pic of A2 above is somewhat lighter than the pre-55 green, and somewhat darker than the later; however this could be due to the vagaries of the internet. If it is called BR multiple unit green, that would indeed be the case. The darker CIE green can be seen on Loco 800 in the Ulster Folk and Transport Museum. That said, the pic of A2 above looks very well indeed and has been very well finished.

 

At the end of the day, the only arbiter on what colour your models would be, is your good self; if it's right for you, then it's right! I wish you well with your endeavours.

[popeye]

Hi the green i used on my G611 was Humbrol emerald No2 Gloss, a little bit light but that might suit you. Its lighter than the pic of the A Class above but not by

much. hope that helps. You just have to try one & then lighten or darken to suit yourself.

Edited June 21, 2012 by popeye

[jhb171achill]

That looks spot on popeye..... Doubtless you've seen green G611 at the downs of patrick.... the handrails would be green also, though.

 

There is anecdotal (but not photographic) evidence that G611 was delivered as you have her above, but repainted black before entering traffic. G612-7 were delivered in black. I am not sure whether they were just black and white, or black, tan and white at first, but during the next 15 years or so until they were all withdrawn, the seven members of the G611 class had both variations.

 

The earlier three, G601-3, were delivered and ran in silver, then green as above - though at least one had the chassis green as well - possibly all three. Then they were painted black and white. None of these three ever had the tan on them.

[popeye]

Thanks. I haven't finished it yet, bit more to do. The handles are still just bare wire. Here's a brass one i done before.

Edited July 10, 2012 by popeye

[Guest hidden-agenda]

Very tidy work and looks brilliant.

[Kirley]

Looks the part -well done.

[Weshty]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1690[/ATTACH]Thanks. I haven't finished it yet, bit more to do. The handles are still just bare wire. Here's a brass one i done before.

 

That is just saweet.

[enniscorthyman]

Fantastic job well done.

[waffles]

Thanks for all your help ,I am enjoying reading all of your posts