John-r Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Hi all Could anyone tell me anything about the Bachman/ murphy models mk2a released about 06, As in do they look the right shape? Colour etc, and are they easy enough to come bye Question2 supertrain livery mk3s did they have silver or black window surrounds or both,and finally, Witch is the best looking mk3 Lima or new Hornby I know they sound stupid questions but I just have to ask. Thanks everyone in advance . Really enjoy this forum. Regards. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 http://www.irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/157-LIMA-Murphy-Models?p=17956&viewfull=1#post17956 Wrenneire here is the man to ask on availability. I "believe" the hornby and lima mk3's are identical. No question is too silly either, JR. The lads can help with the supertrain q's. R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riversuir226 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Those mk2's are correct, they are around but the Ie ones are harder to find than the IR. As for mk 3's I use lima as they re easier to repaint but they need a little. work on the bogies as they are quite basic. Wrenneire might be able to sort out some mk2's;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I've heard some people say they prefer the old Jouef Mk3 to either the Lima or Hornby version. Perhaps someone with knowledge of this model could offer an opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirflick Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Hi all Could anyone tell me anything about the Bachman/ murphy models mk2a released about 06, As in do they look the right shape? i thought the shape funny too , but saw 2 stored in Moyasta and they are pretty similar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I've heard some people say they prefer the old Jouef Mk3 to either the Lima or Hornby version. Perhaps someone with knowledge of this model could offer an opinion? It's a contentious question Pat. The Jouef MK111's are based on loco hauled MK111's and therefore have three small roof pods on the ends of the coaches instead of the one larger square one found on HST hauled MK111's. The Lima models to my eye seem to capture the shape of the coaches better then the Hornby or Jouef ones. The Lima models are very poor in the area around the corridor connecters. The Hornby ones are better, but just by a little bit. If you can ignore the doors on all three models, then go for the Lima ones and get some flush glazing and new window surrounds from Southern Pride Models. Or if you really want to push the boat out get some laser glaze windows and etched window surrounds from Shawplan for the Lima coaches. If I was to do a Mk111 rake myself I would also tackle the doors. The Lima ones don't have the mould of the door opening lights, the Hornby ones do, and would need to be removed. The bogies aren't great on any of the models neither, the Lima ones being the poorest As for the MK11A models they are correct for certain periods. The IE ones had the silver top lights painted black at the end of their life, and also had the roofs painted black like the M11 aircons. I don't think that Bachmann handled the painting of the IE MK11A's too good as the orange doesn't wrap around the end's as it should. However I do think that the Bachmann models capture the shape really well. I can't wait to see their MK11F models. Rich, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 No such thing as a silly question John! I'd agree with Rich, Lima Mk3's would probably be your best bet and can be had cheap on EBay. If you do go for Hornby (which aren't bad) make sure they're the new models they do that are scale length, not the old trainset ones which were underscale and well, rubbish! Bachmann Mark IIA's are a lovely coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Hi all Could anyone tell me anything about the Bachman/ murphy models mk2a released about 06, As in do they look the right shape? Colour etc, and are they easy enough to come bye Question2 supertrain livery mk3s did they have silver or black window surrounds or both,and finally, Witch is the best looking mk3 Lima or new Hornby I know they sound stupid questions but I just have to ask. Thanks everyone in advance . Really enjoy this forum. Regards. John Have some IR Mk2's somewhere John if you are looking for some, have to get the overalls on and root them out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewanderer Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 IE Mark 3's had silver window frames....however there is always an exception! Three coaches were badly graffitied at Waterford during the Christmas Shutdown of 2006 which resulted in them being repainted on one side, with black window frames. See as an example. - Standard Livery on a MKIII. The Wanderer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I seem to recall seeing both black and silver window frames quite a few years ago.... possibly there were other examples? Now, to be fair, I might be getting this mixed up with some NIR coaches which definitely had both silver and painted window frames at different times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-r Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 Lads, Thanks to all for the prompt and informative replys,every reply helped.have lots more questions as still relatively new to the irish Scene, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarabuses Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 There are a couple of the mk2a coaches on ebay at the moment although being sold singly for about the amount they cost as a pair when released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-r Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 Thanks for that,tony ,wrenneire has me sorted. Regards john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarabuses Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 He's good at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-r Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 Hi all, Can anyone tell me if the mk2a coaches ran with a restaurant coach if so any pics Also the mm coaches have silver surrounds but on some pics I saw they had black Surrounds? Any comments would be welcome and a big thank you to wrenneire For the coaches Thanks in advance. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barl Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Hi John, the mk2a's did run with a restaurant coach at some time in their life. I'm not sure if this was only when they were used as mainline fleet or not but I have seen a picture of a mk2a restaurant coach, I just cant remember where:confused: From what I can remember it was the same as a standard but with 2 windows plated over but I'm not sure if this was the case on both sides of the coach. Others may know more on the subject and it would be interesting to see one modelled! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-r Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 Hi barl, Thanks for that, I was at some stage looking to make a proper rake,I know they also used a rebuilt Dutch van in the formation But nothing was coming up about the restaurant coach? Good idea about modelling on Thanks again. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieB Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I believe that at least some of the mk2 coaches were obtained from Vic Berry in exchange for class 201 Bo-Bo's. During their refurbishment a couple were converted to buffet cars, if that helps. Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSGSV Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Hi John, the mk2a's did run with a restaurant coach at some time in their life. I'm not sure if this was only when they were used as mainline fleet or not but I have seen a picture of a mk2a restaurant coach, I just cant remember where:confused: From what I can remember it was the same as a standard but with 2 windows plated over but I'm not sure if this was the case on both sides of the coach. Others may know more on the subject and it would be interesting to see one modelled! The Mk.2 ab stock was a mixture of former open and corridor early Mk. 2 BR built coaches, all converted to open accommodation for Irish use. They were generally used in two rakes, and there were two catering vehicles - 4401/2. These were similar to Cravens 1508/9 in having a small counter and being really only for hot drinks and sandwich type catering. 4401/2 were converted from corridor firsts and looked similar to the ordinary passenger coaches except for some panelled over windows where the counter was. 4402 (grounded body) is preserved at Moyasta on the West Clare Railway. See: http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=4886. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-r Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 Thanks very much for the replys stevieb and bsgsv more info than I knew , How many coaches were in each rake, Cheers. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSGSV Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Thanks very much for the replys stevieb and bsgsv more info than I knew ,How many coaches were in each rake, Cheers. John 7 or 8 + Modified Dutch van. Formations reduced as vehicles expired and there was just one set by the end, of 5/6 coaches + Van. The vehicles were obtained in the early 1990's by IE, at a time when there was very little money available. IE swapped scrap "C" class locos for the coaches to minimise costs, then refurbished them at Inchicore. Initially, Mk.3 style seating was used, but later coaches completed had old seat frames recovered from Park Royal (or possibly earlier) coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-r Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 First class response bsgsv, sorry couldn't resist that. Okay one last thing, the window surrounds were they Black/ silver or am I starting to rivet count lol, Cheers. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 John The set's usually ran with 3 of the MK11A's and MK11B and C coaches in one set. The other set comprised of a MK11A and the rest were MK11B and C. The Buffet Standard was like the Cravens with two of the windows of the coach plated over. I have a picture of the coach taken in Galway when it was in the IE livery, don't ask me where it is though. At the end of their career they had the roofs and window toplights painted black. I am not sure how long they were in the orange roof and silver window toplights for in the IE livery. The running numbers for each coach were. Buffet Standard 4401 Standard 4101 Standard 4102 Standard 4103 Standard 4104 Standard 4105 Standard 4106 Standard 4107 Standard 4108 Standard 4109 Standard 4110 Standard 4112 Standard 4113 Standard 4114 4101-02-08-10 were the MK11A's and the coaches that Bachmann produced. I do hope they decide to bring MK11B and C coaches into their range as I would love to complete a set of these myself. The 3 converted Dutch vans were 4601 formerly 3162 4602 formerly 3163 4603 formerly 3166 The DC kits refurbished Dutch van is a nice model but you need to remove the MK1 gangway from the ends and fit the ends with MK111 gangways. Nothing wrong with being a rivet counter or a casual modeller John, it's all about having fun. Rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-r Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 Rich, That's an excellent and informative reply thanks very much. I just took A liking to the mk2a and like you Hope the mk 2b/c make an appearance just for something different Cheers. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Sound man John, Rich, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSGSV Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Okay one last thing, the window surrounds were they Black/ silver By the time they were scrapped, all the coaches seem to have had black window frames. Of the 64 seat coaches - like the Bachmann model you mentioned - 4102/8/10 ended up with grey roofs, while 4101 still seems to have had an orange one (under the grime). 4108, 4110 and 4402 are all still to be seen at Moyasta if you want to check livery details "in the flesh". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-r Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 Moyasta sounds like a plan for a Sunday drive, won't tell herself until we get there ha, Thanks very much for all the feedback Bsgsv Cheers. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I am currently putting together a set of Irish Rail ex BR Mk2 a/b/c's , and I have been in touch with Steve from Railtec Transfers he has now made up a complete set of numbers to suit the 4xxx series the standard coaches , the resturant cars and the gen vans , ideal to make up the complete set or for those who my want re number any of the Murphy Models mk2a's if you have duplicates , they are now available on the Railtec site http://www.railtec-models.com/index.php 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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