josefstadt Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I came across this photo of the small shunter which worked the Irish Shell & BP depot on the North Wall in Dublin. The loco has two axles and an extremely short wheelbase, but apart from that I have no further details (builders, engine type etc). Does anyone know more about this locomotive and what became of it? I think that the photo was taken in the late 60s or early 70s at a time when one could wander down the North Wall on a Sunday with a camera and not be bothered by port security concerns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 The loco was built by F C Hibberd and has been preserved by the RPSI. More details here: http://www.steamtrainsireland.com/locomotives/loco23.htm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Lovely thing. A Weshty kit one day, perhaps.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josefstadt Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 The loco was built by F C Hibberd and has been preserved by the RPSI. More details here: http://www.steamtrainsireland.com/locomotives/loco23.htm Thanks garfield for the info and the link - much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 No problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Nonneminstre Models produce a nice little Whitemetal kit for a Planet diesel that runs on a Spud or Black Beetle power bogie. http://www.nonneminstre.co.uk/resources/Nonneminstre%20Models%202012%20Price%20List.pdf The Bachmann 14T tank wagon is pretty close in general design to the Irish Shell wagons http://www.ehattons.com/trade/StockDetail.aspx?SID=18010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minister_for_hardship Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) The Bachmann 14T tank wagon is pretty close in general design to the Irish Shell wagons http://www.ehattons.com/trade/StockDetail.aspx?SID=18010 What colour schemes did they carry? Was it silver tank, red frames with 'IRISH SHELL' or 'MEX' in red or were there variations on this? Edited January 13, 2014 by minister_for_hardship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Nonneminstre Models produce a nice little Whitemetal kit for a Planet diesel that runs on a Spud or Black Beetle power bogie. http://www.nonneminstre.co.uk/resources/Nonneminstre%20Models%202012%20Price%20List.pdf Nice one, John. I'd forgotten about Nonneminstre Models. They also produce a Hunslet War Department diesel loco, similar to the ones on display at Cultra and Dromod, and a Fowler diesel like the one at Dromod, except the model version is 2ft gauge instead of 3ft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) This them on the right hand side? Edited January 13, 2014 by Glenderg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The Irish Shell loco was (and is) plain unlined mid green with certain bits picked out in red. If memory serves me correctly, Shell petrol tankers had a livery of red and green in the late 50s / early 60s. It's currently out of action, but served faithfully as the Whitehead shutter for years. I believe its build date was 1951. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 A few photos (not the best quality )of the older type of tank wagons around the Point Yard and Tuam. Irish Shell & BP Wagon East Wall Yard Mid 1990s. Charles Roberts wagon dating from late 1920s. Silver/light grey body red solebars Type A tank wagon. ESSO & MEX 202 Point Yard Mid 1980s. The MEX tanker is for Class A highly flammable traffic Petrol and has two compartments. Silver tank with horizontal orange stripe along centre of barrel. The ESSO tank wagon appears to be a fairly modern bitumen tanker the give away is the insulated body with coned ends. MEX tank wagon Tuam sister to 212 but more modern wagon possibly dating from the 1930s no tie down cables around the dome. The Joker in the pack TEXACO/CALTEX modern 1960s wagon with anchor mounted tank Light grey tank with red solebars and TEXACO lettering. A modelling challenge with the older CALTEX lettering and horizontal orange stripe grinning through. The TEXACO wagons were commandeered by CIE in the late 70s & 80s and were used on the Alexandra Road Inchacore fuel oil trains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minister_for_hardship Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Thanks for posting those, pics of tank wagons in anything but plain black don't seem to crop up all that much. When you say 'commandeered', does that mean the wagons were property of the oil companies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 John, thanks a mil for posting the photos and info. Yet another peculiar prototype....R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I think they were property of oil companies at one stage anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 The tank wagons used by the oil companies were nearly all private owner and separate from railway company stock. The man exception appears to have been the 6 tank wagons built for Burmah in the early 70s. The Donegal & Swilly each had tank wagons with the railway company owning the underframe & the oil company the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Does the Hornby model come anyway close to the Burmah Tanker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I had one of those at one time. I don't know how accurate it is in comparison with the original, but it looked fine repainted as it would be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Does the Hornby model come anyway close to the Burmah Tanker? Colour scheme is pretty much spot on for the two petrol tank wagons, the wagons were a lot more modern similar to the Airfix tank wagon http://www.studio-scale-models.com/img/F28.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 The tank wagons used by the oil companies were nearly all private owner and separate from railway company stock. The man exception appears to have been the 6 tank wagons built for Burmah in the early 70s. Would anybody have any photos of these 70's Burmah wagons? Or photos of models that were repainted of the Irish Shells? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Here are a few pic's of oil wagons. ESSO are mine repainted from Bachmann Fina tanks. Irish Shell is by Andrew Shillito, 3mm Society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Great job, Popeye! and thanks for even including the donors! What period are these modeled from? The Irish Shells earlier in the thread looked black (in a B&W photo, granted) like your Esso. Is your black Esso from that steam period and the silvers are a later livery albeit the same earlier period tanker with the steel tie-down cables over the top? Are they transfers your own creation or available to purchase? Thanks for posting. Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craven1508 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 tasty! nicely done.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Very tasty job on the tank wagons Patrick. The Bachmann model really lifted the standard for rtr tank wagons and a good candidate for limited run production for Irish Shell, Mc Mullen Brothers, Mex. The silver tank barrel with horizontal red stripe or red solebars was an early form of hazmat marking applied to distinguish Type A tank wagons used carry petrol and other highly flammable liquids from the usually black Type B tank wagons used to carry heavy fuel oil and other flammable liquids. The position of the red strip tended to vary between the centre of the barrel and solebars, silver gave way to light grey in the 60s. The type A & B tank wagons had different discharge arrangements petrol was basically siphoned out of a Type A tank wagon with U tube arrangement on top of the barrel, heavy fuel oil though a valve under a Type B tank wagon. The Type A tank wagons tended to look cleaner than the Type B without the usual build up of grunge around the tank filler usually seen on wagons used to transport heavy fuel oil and bitumen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhu Varren Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 A couple of pictures I found in my collection. My notes tell me this is Class A tank 2617 taken at Belfast. My notes tell me this is Shell-Mex and BP Class B tank 271 taken at Adelaide. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weshty Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Lovely, lovely job, great weathering and grime and gung. Well done Me sees a new product line....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 They'd almost need to be made pre-weathered, as a clean was was an impossibility! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirflick Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 A couple of pictures I found in my collection. My notes tell me this is Class A tank 2617 taken at Belfast. [ATTACH=CONFIG]16038[/ATTACH] My notes tell me this is Shell-Mex and BP Class B tank 271 taken at Adelaide. [ATTACH=CONFIG]16039[/ATTACH] great set of pics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 New Irish Lines Vol 2. No 6 2001 http://newirishlines.org/archive-2/ includes an article by Chris Aspinwall & Alan O'Rourke on Irish private owner tank wagons the article includes photos and details of both Dublin & Belfast registered tank wagons but breaks off before the introduction of more modern wagons by Caltex and ESSO in the 1960s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Lovely, lovely job, great weathering and grime and gung. Well done Me sees a new product line....... RTR, pre-weathered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 New Irish Lines Vol 2. No 6 2001 http://newirishlines.org/archive-2/ includes an article by Chris Aspinwall & Alan O'Rourke on Irish private owner tank wagons the article includes photos and details of both Dublin & Belfast registered tank wagons but breaks off before the introduction of more modern wagons by Caltex and ESSO in the 1960s. Thanks, John:tumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 great set of pics! Nice shots David, Downloading these:cheers: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 here is a pic of a Dapol class B oil tank wagon that i have just finished. Also two pic's of the real thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Great article, John! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Nice work, Popeye. Very similar to 988. 1001 look alike it has a different support/saddle for the tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 The ESSO Teo tank wagons appear to have been imported from the UK in the late 60s most were Class B which had a longer tank barrel than the Dapol model though a few Type B appear to have been imported. The fillet between the tank and chassis was a feature of most CIE tank wagons built/introduced in the 1970s, eventually applied to the ESSO tank cars. Its fairly simple to convert the Dapol kit to a Type A by splicing sections from another kit on to each end of the barrel and sanding smooth. Its probably better to look out for un-built Airfix kits of these wagons on e-bay than attempt to build the current Dapol version. Its difficult to build a chassis that runs well as the solebars of the Dapol version tend to warp and twist, combination of being wrapped in a bag and the soapy nature of the plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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