Noel Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Info on the Kernow DJ models Class 71. http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/page/74/DJ_Models_Class_71_Project The economies of scale in the larger UK market seem to make such schemes feasible. Their overall market is roughly 15-20 times the size of ours, and their market for model trains disproportionately higher again due to UK consumers long standing and more established interest in the hobby. I like the idea but doubt the numbers will stack up here for a loco (001 or 121). Less so perhaps for rolling stock because a minority of the market here are discerning specialist modellers with specific freight interests (forumites excluded of course), unlike the general public modeller, or toy train collector who want to own and run what they and their children see which is and was predominantly passenger trains. In the future that memory may be Luas, Dart and 22k bus fleets. . With some possibly interested in Cork CAFs and Belfast Enterprise train sets, Ireland's last loco hauled real passenger trains. The more I read this interesting thread I think I would change my vote to "I'd prepay MM for 001 or 121 locos in advance", but not a crowd scheme. It would be more likely to happen and MM have the track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 I think a 22k would be pretty awesome Done to the Rapido standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Dj models kickstarter for the class 71£150,000 = 1200 models @ £125 each Converting it to euro €187,000 = 1200 models @€156 each. The max order i can see for any loco is approx the 500 mark which is €374 per model Even at an order of 750 its still €249 per loco, 1000 @ €187. The above example has both a retailer and a model company behind it. 1200 Models divided by 4 for four different liveries/running numbers. So 300 of each. I could see 300 of a 121, A Class or C Class selling in four different liveries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelred Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I think a 22k would be pretty awesome Done to the Rapido standard Oh God... at least it will be made of plastic like the real thing!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 84C Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I would also pay for a model to MM standard an A class 121 C class H vans B2 steam loco I am surprized that an H van is not already available,its a highly visible vehicle in photos of Irish freight stock. Is it possible to run this survey on RM web? as there seems to be a quite a current of interest for Irish railways in the UK. I was at Spalding last Sunday and Ballyconnell Road always had people watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I would pay, though in my case it would be 7mm scale and a kit, rather than RTR. Guess the most numerous and far reaching locos would have the best chance of selling, so J15, A & C diesels & maybe a G? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_the_ piper Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I would pay in advance for a 121 or an A class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I'd be biased towards steam, e.g. no.461, and it would be helpful if it could have allowances to convert to 21mm gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieB Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Give me a 121 any day over a 201. Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnead Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Top 3 in order of preference:121 Class rtr A Class rtr CIE 20' container with side doors on rtr chassis http://website.lineone.net/~sjohnson40/Loco%20Profiles/B121.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 http://website.lineone.net/~sjohnson40/Loco%20Profiles/B121.html Hi Cinnead, can you explain the relevance of that link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Davies Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Being as I'm a complete GM nut a 121 please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinkansen Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Yes, I would pay. A proper rtr A Class or 121 would be cool. A 22K would be no.1 for me, but probably the most unlikely of the 3 mentioned to ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
as365n4 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) As I recently placed an Pre-Order with Rapido for an APT and some folk earlier mentioned the same Company already and their stuff is of a really nice top notch quallity I would only Pre-Order an unseen Model if it comes out of their or MMs hands. I would never shell out any money for an Resin or 3D printed Model what is offered by certain Model shops, sorry. On my hit list are the following stuff: 2900 Class 22k Class 3/4000 Class NIR A Class Mk4s, Buffet, DVT, etc. Mk3 EGVs, Buffet, DVT, etc. Mk1 GSV Dutch Vans and rebuilt Dutch Vans Container wagons (Pocket & flat) Timber wagons Taras Edit says: I want some Cravens in RPSI and Presidential Livery as well. Edited November 19, 2014 by as365n4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMCE Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 My choice like a few before me would be for steam A Class 101 (J15) would be nice or, A Class 461 as note above Or what would be very nice - a Class 800! The trend does appear to be favouring diesel units and if it takes that route my preference would be a 121 Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 While my first preference would be for a 121 I would hope that Murphy Models would be releasing theirs within the next 2 years so it will be an A Class or any of the Steam locomotives already mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Bear in mind while a loco would be desirable, there are no shortage of them on the market at the moment, personally, my votes would go for - 121 - well underway by Sir Murphy, Patron Saint of Irish Modelling - A Class with all the bells and whistles - 22k 3 piece ( I know! I know!) - Cement Bubbles - Cement Bogies - Bagged Cement - 20' Flats - Beet Wagons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iarnrod Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 It is an interesting proposal, but one I think that would only work initially on the likes of a freight wagon such as the cement bubble, where people are likely to buy more than one. I could be wrong but I am quessing that there is less design and drawing on a wagon than on a locomotive, so the initial setup costs should be somewhat lower. I do feel that if an initial project worked out successfully, that you would get more people willing to put cash upfront for subsequent projects. I think such a proposal would need to be fronted by one of the Irish model shops, Murphy Models or some other manufacturer to enable modellers to have confidence in it being brought to a successful completion, pending sufficient cash being raised to allow the project to advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterCDub Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) I have not read all the comments, but there seems to be a concensus that an A and a 121 are both popular, but are also probably on the MM horizon. Surprised I haven't spotted 2600 class railcar, given its versatility for main line, suburban and minor branch use. It also gives scope for modding to a pre-DART push pull. I am not confident enough to try and kit bash a 2600, but would really like this icon of CIE for most of my life. And I mean an original 1950's 2600 of course. Edited November 19, 2014 by PeterCDub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I would be interested but would much prefer a wagon to start with. There's a lot to go wrong with a loco and a lot of potential disappointment. At least with a wagon its simpler to design and produce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumber Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Though not a steam fan I would like a RTR of MAEVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventrain Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I vote no because I do not have Murphy Models yet. Maybe I will buy one for display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumber Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 PS, Paddy did say if there was enough interest he would give it some thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Hi All I have voted for prepay as I think it is a very good idea, but the reality of this is a different thing- the Irish modelling funding crowd is just not big enough to enable a manufacture to produce the goods like your talking here of the MM models, or the price for an individual model would be very high. I do not speak for MM, and do not know fully the manufacturing system they use- but the brunt of the costs in making a model is in the;- model design, tool design, tool making, and model prototyping- that would also include royalties for both, copies of the design and copies from the tools. The cost of an MM model in the shop is controlled by quantity, a specific number of models manufactured over the whole run is the key. Manufacturing can be done in steps- ie;- different livery, which can help to limit the expenditure to stage costs as that model line progresses. But the design, tooling and prototyping costs have to be paid up front and this means the return investment is over the whole run, the initial models could be calculated as been very expensive but it is controlled by- there is a few more 1,000s to come! So prepay is a very good idea but one will have to accept a higher cost than a MM model in the shop eoin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WT CLASS 2-6-4T No. 4 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Depends on model, cost and who's producing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railer Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) I have not read all the comments, but there seems to be a concensus that an A and a 121 are both popular, but are also probably on the MM horizon. Surprised I haven't spotted 2600 class railcar, given its versatility for main line, suburban and minor branch use. It also gives scope for modding to a pre-DART push pull. I am not confident enough to try and kit bash a 2600, but would really like this icon of CIE for most of my life. And I mean an original 1950's 2600 of course. . Edited November 19, 2014 by Railer wrong 2600s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Kennedy Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Hi there, yes, A Class, C Class, Laminates, I think Murphy Models will do the 121 in time but would be prepared to prepay to help him along with the project also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulzer201 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 My present circumstances are tight but I would certainly 'scrape together' the funds to put up front the price of either the A or 121, a couple of either. When my own financial circumstances allow I will certainly give Paddy Murphy's project further support by buying more of his existing models, which are available at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonybonneyba Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I would like to see the modern NIR stock made, such as the 80, c4ks & c3ks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonybonneyba Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Bear in mind while a loco would be desirable, there are no shortage of them on the market at the moment, personally, my votes would go for - 121 - well underway by Sir Murphy, Patron Saint of Irish Modelling - A Class with all the bells and whistles - 22k 3 piece ( I know! I know!) - Cement Bubbles - Cement Bogies - Bagged Cement - 20' Flats - Beet Wagons I love to see a 22k too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizardtrains Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Hi Voted No:SORRY: but my reasons are a little different, many here have mentioned models from some suppliers and had I had experience of these I may have voted yes. My issue is with one or two companies in the UK that have asked for pre-orders to build a new loco and then you find this can take years to achieve. My longest wait, 2 1/2 years, it's a long time to have cash tied up. I don't object to a 6 month wait for a special item but this is rarely long enough to take a model from the drawing board to delivery. Not sure of the preferred scale here, I prefer HO, my thinking is that may be a company like Bachmann might be persuaded to produce some HO Irish loco's at this scale as they could market them in the US where they may have a good appeal with a market large enough to warrant regular production? I'm rambling now, it's good to talk, some of the time. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I love to see a 22k too.... Eeek! Nay'r shall the grubby wheels of this plastic bus with the back breaking seats touch our model rails - a sanctuary for real trains (in jest) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minister_for_hardship Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Undecided, depends on what it is, who's doing it and is it worth the candle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 I guess the idea of this poll is to determine - all else being equal - (ie: the manufacturer, details, price, etc are up to snuff) - would you prepay for a model that would likely take a year to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
217 RIVER FLESK Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 To me, the most logical next item to be produced would be a 22k, as they've infected the entire system (almost), though the cost of producing a 3-car set would be prohibitively high. Having said that, as they are still only at the start of their working lives, they will be around for many years (yawn) & hence a number of re-runs over the years would probably be required as these will be the only trains that people will come to remember. Things like 121s are already history & hence already the number of people that they mean something to is starting to diminish if were are brutally honest. Personally As & Cs don't mean anything to me as they'd all finished by the time that I discovered Irish railways, so I'd almost be inclined to wish for something like a 2700 railcar before a Metro-Vic, though I probably would purchase a model of an A or C if one became available having travelled behind A39 on a tour, but then the model would have to reflect it in it's preserved condition. Yes I'd be interested in 4 wheeled freight stock, but the only thing that concerns me is how they'd be represented. Irish freight vehicles became notorious for being extremely heavily weathered - something that is hard to represent convincingly & if done poorly I find a total turn off. My top 5 wish list: 1 4wd Cement bubbles 2 4wd Beet wagons 3 2700 railcar 4 4wd ballast wagons 5 4wd ballast brake / plough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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