irishthump Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Have a look at this.... This guy built a DCC controller to resemble a full sized loco cab! The earlier videos he posted show how he assembled it, but this one shows it in action... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 yawn, driving trains US style, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Warbonnet Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 yawn, driving trains US style, And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 And? no signals, focus on driving trains, etc etc , why would anyone want to build something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Warbonnet Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 no signals, focus on driving trains, etc etc , why would anyone want to build something like that. Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Christ. no , he's the son operating a model railway is not about just driving trains , its about " operating " a railway theres a nice video of a guy that built a Cab stand DCC controller from a DCC throttle , that was quite nice Edited May 6, 2015 by Junctionmad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJw0UG1rXy0&spfreload=10 now this might make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 or this one, this is amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Warbonnet Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) operating a model railway is not about just driving trains , its about " operating " a railway In your opinion, which seems to be the most important thing to you. Also, you've taken this topic off course (and others). No more derailing topics so we can feast on your opinions which have little to do with the topic in hand. Thank you. Edited May 6, 2015 by Warbonnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Garfield Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 operating a model railway is not about just driving trains , its about " operating " a railway On the contrary, the owner is entitled to operate the layout whatever way they see fit. yawn, driving trains US style, Now you're trolling. Any more obnoxious comments like that and you can spend a week in the cooler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 irishthump Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 no signals, focus on driving trains, etc etc , why would anyone want to build something like that. I thought the idea of "operating" a layout would focus on driving trains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 irishthump Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 Had a look through a few of this guy's other videos, his layout tour video is a bit cheesy but some of his modelling is top notch. Take a look at this FP9..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Warbonnet Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Great video man, the Rapido stuff looks special. Tempted by their Amtrak F40 coming out soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I shall accept my chastisement and do penance by filing a crossing vee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 richrua Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 You mean this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 [ATTACH=CONFIG]18941[/ATTACH] You mean this ? No. I can't find the video. But it used an Nce power cab bits but around a miniature US standard control stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 richrua Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 No I mean this IS the ultimate DCC controller... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 No I mean this IS the ultimate DCC controller... +1 NCE does what it says on the tin. I just love the ergonomics and feel in hand of the Power/ProCabs despite the large size. I'd change two things though all of which could be done in the software. Superglue, disable or get rid of the momentum button - it changes CV3+CV4 which upsets sound decoders Enable other buttons work when the 'function explain' display mode is on without having to exit that mode I've experimented a lot using my smartphone, but touchscreen interface just doesn't cut it for everyday use. Great as a cheap wireless cab for walking around the outside of a layout for different viewing angles, but smartphone lacks tactile feel of buttons requiring eyes on, therefore doesn't work single handed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Had a look through a few of this guy's other videos, his layout tour video is a bit cheesy but some of his modelling is top notch. Take a look at this FP9..... Nice. Sounds like a BR class 37 minus the bells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 richrua Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Yo Noel I couldn't agree more. You guys here recommended NCE . I also tried the RAILMASTER software which was grand once you got the hang of it, but as you say, it is about the touch control without having to look. Touch screen control can't do it. I've tried ! Much prefer the powercab. When you think it is logical. Touch is a sense after all. With touch screen you actually lose this sense and have to look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Found it. This is a very good throttle and dcc sound linkup [video=youtube_share;kYovzfNiFKQ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 skinner75 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 You say yawn to driving a loco with an amazing setup like yer mans, then you post up a flight sim?!?! Probably the most boring thing, after a 'watching paint dry' sim! Ooh - hours of sitting there watching clouds go by - how exciting!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) You say yawn to driving a loco with an amazing setup like yer mans, then you post up a flight sim?!?! Probably the most boring thing, after a 'watching paint dry' sim! Ooh - hours of sitting there watching clouds go by - how exciting!! Yes but look at all the knobs and dials. Loads of buttons to push As I said. In my opinion and that's all it is. I have no interest in " purely " driving trains around a model track , I mean there's about 3 levers to work and nothing else to do. On a layout , you are the signal man , guard , driver , station master all rolled into one. Our tar is run in a controlled environment very different to usa practice What does he do, when he wants to reverse Edited May 7, 2015 by Junctionmad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Garfield Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 You say yawn to driving a loco with an amazing setup like yer mans, then you post up a flight sim?!?! Probably the most boring thing, after a 'watching paint dry' sim! Ooh - hours of sitting there watching clouds go by - how exciting!! Yes but look at all the knobs and dials. Loads of buttons to push As I said. In my opinion and that's all it is. I have no interest in " purely " driving trains around a model track , I mean there's about 3 levers to work and nothing else to do. On a layout , you are the signal man , guard , driver , station master all rolled into one. Our tar is run in a controlled environment very different to usa practice What does he do, when he wants to reverse Can we get this thread back on-topic, please? Junctionmad: You've already been warned about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Dave Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 No I mean this IS the ultimate DCC controller... Hate to burst your bubble guys but IMHO its not the ultimate DCC controller. It is an excellent controller but the ESU Ecos 50200 is way ahead of it. I have used both and the ESU is far easier to use. The American stuff seems to have been developed to a certain level then they stopped, if it ain't broke don't fix it kind of thing. My personal favourite is the Roco Z21, its app based using a tablet or smartphone and I do prefer a throttle but you can plug in a wide range of throttles making the system much more flexible. Programming is also much simpler than the NCE. Great video Irishthump, more like a simulator. Love the moving gauges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Have a look at this.... This guy built a DCC controller to resemble a full sized loco cab!The earlier videos he posted show how he assembled it, but this one shows it in action... Wow that's mad but amazing. Very impressive but one can't help wonder how long the novelty factor might last. I thought I was bad years ago with my virtual 747 cockpit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Hate to burst your bubble guys but IMHO its not the ultimate DCC controller. It is an excellent controller but the ESU Ecos 50200 is way ahead of it. I have used both and the ESU is far easier to use. The American stuff seems to have been developed to a certain level then they stopped, if it ain't broke don't fix it kind of thing. My personal favourite is the Roco Z21, its app based using a tablet or smartphone and I do prefer a throttle but you can plug in a wide range of throttles making the system much more flexible. Programming is also much simpler than the NCE. Great video Irishthump, more like a simulator. Love the moving gauges. Horses for courses! I drooled over the 50200 system last year and very nearly succumbed to its lure. It is probably the best system. However its non portable games console style dual throttle base station didn't suit our layout as we would need multiple cabs at different locations, and I wasn't as keen on ESUs portable hand held cabs. The NCE was a good compromise for us due to the plug in plug out ability of the dog bone cab and I like its tactile feel in hand and its ergonomics. I do agree the Americans are rather dated and stayed in their innovation, especially some of the software's U/I and are slow to move with the times. If ESU had a decent hand held cab with physical controls, buttons and a colour display it may have swayed me. Anyway I will probably change in a few years cause I like trying out new technology and DCC systems are bound to improve a lot. On the other hand DCC needs to be radically reinvented and brought into the 21st century beyond early 1980s electronics, with high speed messaging and the burying of concepts like CVs under smart human interfaces. ESU have certainly innovated more than anybody, but are still hamstrung by NMRA's current DCC standards. The NMRA standard needs modernising!!! Apologies for drift. PS: Don't like buttonless touch screen cabs for driving trains - need knobs, buttons or levers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 snapper Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Kind of reminds me a bit of this guy who has a class 50 cab in his garden. When I was younger I always wanted one of these for playing train simulator, wonder if it could be made to work with a 141 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Broithe Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 That was in Telford, not far from me - I'm not sure if it's still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Wonder if or how many planning laws having a loco in a front garden might breech. Fun, but an eyesore for his next door neighbours only 3ft away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Broithe Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 There was a little difficulty, I believe... ..not any worse than a caravan, though, I suppose..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Broithe Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Other arrangements are possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Warbonnet Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Kind of reminds me a bit of this guy who has a class 50 cab in his garden. When I was younger I always wanted one of these for playing train simulator' date=' wonder if it could be made to work with a 141 <img src="http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18946"/> <img src="http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18945"/>[/quote'] I believe they've since been removed. He had a number of cabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 burnthebox Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I believe they've since been removed. He had a number of cabs. Was that not a call from C.A.B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Broithe Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Was that not a call from C.A.B. That would mean Citizens' Advice Bureau over here - a less threatening call than one from the Criminal Assets Bureau, not that I have personal experience. Although, we have had a history of people nicking locos over here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/222883.stm . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DiveController Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) Hate to burst your bubble guys but IMHO its not the ultimate DCC controller. It is an excellent controller but the ESU Ecos 50200 is way ahead of it. I have used both and the ESU is far easier to use. The American stuff seems to have been developed to a certain level then they stopped, if it ain't broke don't fix it kind of thing. My personal favourite is the Roco Z21, its app based using a tablet or smartphone and I do prefer a throttle but you can plug in a wide range of throttles making the system much more flexible. Programming is also much simpler than the NCE. Great video Irishthump, more like a simulator. Love the moving gauges. Dave, how much does that ecos system ballpark at? Any tips for where it might be found most economically? Looked at website but don't have prices. And it addition to the main command station you would need as many boosters as the layout requires plus Cabs… Did I miss any other costs for the system? Edited May 8, 2015 by DiveController Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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