Warbonnet Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Hi everyone, We'll have something very nice to show you all this evening at 8pm. Make sure you log on to see what it is! Thanks, IRM team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Cheers Fran looking forward to it. Rich, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted April 11, 2016 Author Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) Since scheduled posts on Facebook decided not to work properly we've brought the surprise forward to now! CAD for the cement bubbles! We've made rapid progress on these recently so here they are. A couple of tweaks still required. What do you guys think?? Edited April 11, 2016 by Warbonnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc0169 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Another masterpiece in miniature-looks fab gents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Derry Road Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Brilliant, looking forward to this ones release, mouth watering :tumbsup:TDR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo325ci Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Looks fantastic! Fair play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted April 11, 2016 Author Share Posted April 11, 2016 thanks lads, we hope they hit the spot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railer Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 When do the pre-orders start..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted April 11, 2016 Author Share Posted April 11, 2016 When do the pre-orders start..... Soon Railer, we need to finalise the liveries, running numbers and delivery schedule before we open them up. We're getting there though. We'll let you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richrua Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 wowsers. Count me in. Any idea when abouts ? Looks like I'll have to dip into the 121 savings fund again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 A couple of tweaks still required. What do you guys think??[ATTACH=CONFIG]23782[/ATTACH] Detail looks great! Very very good. Any details to be added to the bottom of the dual discharge cones or that's hidden by the chassis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 thanks lads, we hope they hit the spot! Well call me Captain Buzzkill, but these superb cad drawings of the upcoming model, may well convert me to a liking for the prototype I had never experienced. Resistance might be futile! Top class guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Excellent things are moving fast. It good to see the weld seams as they tended to get hidden by the cement and grime. The hatch on the roof is looking good. Really looking forward to these. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aclass007 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 The detail on that is incredible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR 800 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Amazing! Where's the jaw drop emoji? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I must admit, Designing and helping the guys bring these 2 delightful wagons to market has brought me a great deal of personal pleasure. However, I only saw the bubbles once in traffic and cannot wait to see a rake of them on someone's layout. Did these run as fixed rakes or where they marshalled into how ever many were needed for a job? Cheers Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UP6936 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Just however many were needed Dave, and they would often be seen in consist with other types of wagon, kegs, ferts, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 They look fantastic! Can't wait to see the real thing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barl Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 The CAD looks fantastic lads and I'm sure the model will be to the same high standard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weshty Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Sweet job lads, love the little details on the sides of the bubbles. You've got the seam detailing down just dandy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scahalane Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Excellent detail, well done lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeper Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Look absolutely superb Anybody want to buy my bubble kits off me ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Detail looks great! Very very good. Any details to be added to the bottom of the dual discharge cones or that's hidden by the chassis? There are a couple of things yet to go on the underside - the two vacuum chambers at the far left end, between the steels. There are also two brackets that straddle the centre of the wagon and the main discharge pipe, and the two rivetted plates at the bottom of the hopper "boobs". I only have a drawing of the discharge pipe, no photos, and the pipe is supposed to straddle between the axle and bubble itself, so some compromises to achieve free running may be needed. R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Did these run as fixed rakes or where they marshalled into how ever many were needed for a job? Cheers Dave In early days, you'd get a few in the middle of a goods train. Latterly, like all modern goods trains, all the same type of wagon, all the same traffic, no variety and no guard's van! So, if modelled in original grey, you'd generally get a mixture 9though not always) and there would be a brake van. When orange livery came in, you would still get them in a mixed consist with fertiliser or Guinness, but increasingly rakes only - and fitted by now so no van. Latterly, in cream livery, they'd have been just in fitted rakes. Incidentally, a bogie fert wagon would make a good kit or RTR project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 There are a couple of things yet to go on the underside - the two vacuum chambers at the far left end, between the steels. There are also two brackets that straddle the centre of the wagon and the main discharge pipe, and the two rivetted plates at the bottom of the hopper "boobs". I only have a drawing of the discharge pipe, no photos, and the pipe is supposed to straddle between the axle and bubble itself, so some compromises to achieve free running may be needed. [ATTACH=CONFIG]23786[/ATTACH] Looking great, Richie. I was just curious as the "Presflo" method of fluidizing powdered solids to facilitate discharge from tankers has been of interest on the forum before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railer Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I must admit,Designing and helping the guys bring these 2 delightful wagons to market has brought me a great deal of personal pleasure. However, I only saw the bubbles once in traffic and cannot wait to see a rake of them on someone's layout. Did these run as fixed rakes or where they marshalled into how ever many were needed for a job? Cheers Dave Something I have noticed of late looking back at old youtube clips is that in alot of cases they seemed to be "paired up" in a way that every 2 wagons were facing each other, not always but it's a pattern I noticed. It does look intentional and not by chance of random shunting of wagons into rakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Thanks for all the kind words gents, great to see such positive feedback so far. As Richie said there's a few things to add/correct before we have it bang on. Richie also deserves special praise in particular as if it wasn't for his tireless work on both these and the ballast wagons between research and scrutiny and corrections of the various CAD drawings to get them as good as they look in the drawings they wouldn't be anywhere near this high standard. Not bad for a new father with a day job as well! Edited April 12, 2016 by Warbonnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJR Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Brilliant work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonB Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Superb work lads.If id have known this was coming down the line i wouldn't have picked up the lump of kits i have here from early last year.No matter how much work i put into them they will never look as good as this does☹ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) In early days, you'd get a few in the middle of a goods train. Latterly, ... no guard's van! So, if modelled in original grey, you'd generally get a mixture (though not always) and there would be a brake van. When orange livery came in, you would still get them in a mixed consist with fertiliser or Guinness, but increasingly rakes only - and fitted by now so no van. As far as I am aware the bubbles were vacuum braked from the outset, each series from 25050 onwards, certainly recorded that way in 1967. I'm not certain the bubbles would have been retro-"fitted" that quickly, so they'd have to have been in the front/middle of a partly fitted rake even if loose coupled vans and a brake brought up the rear Would definitely have to second that, JB! A rake of bogie ferts definitely one of my favorite freights. A rake sorely needed Edited April 13, 2016 by DiveController Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Yes, Dive, I think they were too - but - often they were in trains with things that weren't, thus the guard's van was a necessity. It's possible that operational regulations still required a van for a while, as truly all-fitted trains didn't appear until well after they were introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Dive, The shot you posted of the rake rattling through Kildare from the O'Dea Collection - http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000306704 - you can see the top of the vacuum chamber just on the last wagon on the right, so they did have them. The other one from Derry doesn't show them at all, but as JB rightly says they could have been mixed up in all sorts of rakes. Anyway, brake vans can look pretty sweet in a rake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 In the period often modelled by many nowadays, the rail freight was monopolised in most areas by the trio of cement, Guinness and fertiliser; a bogie fert wagon is overdue! (as I mentioned to IRM's Garfieldsghost on the phone tonight...) ...plus, of course, in certain areas and in winter, beet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railer Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Interesting photo Glenderg. Never noticed before that a container on a 20ft flat sits that bit higher than the 40ft flats due to the wagon design. Make me wonder what all the fuss was about clearing the high cubes a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Since you've been so keen to mention the bogie fert twice in 24 hours JB, can I point out that it sits on a 42' chassis, (of which there is a grand little brass kit available) is a plate based design which would suit a brass kit (see where I'm going with this ?) and it might be in the best interest of a certain brass specialist to make the unit which would sit on top of that chassis. As for beet, that requires a whole new tooling of a completely different chassis and unlikely to happen in the short term. I mean, who's going to want a chassis that will not just do Beets, but also Curtain Side Cement Pallet Cement Fuel Oil Molasses Wagons Pallet Wagon Baryte Ore Wagons Timber Wagons Zinc Ore Wagon Would you like Weshty's phone number to discuss the ferts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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