jhb171achill Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Anyone know where there are drawings or decent photos of the 5ft 3 versions? (Not the West Clare one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 minister_for_hardship Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I've seen 2 photos of the GSR broad gauge ones, one in the Locomotives of the GSR book, and another of one at somewhere like Sallins or Monasterevin...brain may kick in as to what book that was in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Garfield Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I've sent you an email, JB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 minister_for_hardship Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I have a notion the other might be in that Tales of the Permanent Way book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 Many thanks, folks; the delving continues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 josefstadt Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 As far as I can remember the booking office at the ISPS Stradbally railway site was one of the standard gauge cars. Not sure if it is still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DiveController Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 PM sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DERAILED Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 As far as I can remember the booking office at the ISPS Stradbally railway site was one of the standard gauge cars. Not sure if it is still there. It left Stradbally in 1983 and was moved to Mallow (GRSPS), then Cahir Railway Museum and finally to Dromod in 1993. It was then sent for regauging and re-engining to Alan Keef in Ross-on-Wye and returned in the mid-1990s. The motorised chassis has been used to give enthusiast rides at Dromod but the bodywork remains stored. It was originally a 5ft 3" inspection car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DERAILED Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Here's one at Straffan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DiveController Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) This broad gauge Drewry railcar is shorter and without a livery other than its own timbers. This one is for PW work It would seem that had to be hand cranked too? Edited March 15, 2017 by DiveController Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 RichL Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Looking in the IRS Drewry book, the two broad gauge railcars (as opposed to inspection car) were very similar to the narrow gauge ones. There is a good photo on page 89 of a broad gauge one. Seating capacity was supposedly identical. The wheelbase was 156in, wheel diameter 30in and hp was 70/75. Equivalents for the ng version were 102in, 24in, 40hp. Comparing photos, the bg body was longer by one window and set higher with a deeper chassis frame. If you have a drawing of the ng one, it ought to be relatively straightforward to derive a drawing of the bg one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 Brilliant, Rich, many thanks. I was sure there was a picture of one when quite new among Senior's stuff, but I can't find it..... maybe I was wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 RichL Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I guess that's a hint that one of mine might come in useful......... Will PM later. BTW wasn't the Drumm prototype built from one of these railcars? Drawings or photos of that might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 That's a Drumm, yes, the first one. jhb171Senior-senior designed the bodywork...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 RichL Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Apart from the streamlined end and the batteries, much of the Drewry remains in that photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 RichL Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Here's a video I found. As far as I can see this railcar really was just the Drewry body with one end modified to be streamlined http://www.britishpathe.com/video/revolutionary-electrical-invention/query/NEW+ELECTRIC+TRAIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DiveController Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Looking in the IRS Drewry book, the two broad gauge railcars (as opposed to inspection car) were very similar to the narrow gauge ones. There is a good photo on page 89 of a broad gauge one. Seating capacity was supposedly identical. The wheelbase was 156in, wheel diameter 30in and hp was 70/75. Equivalents for the ng version were 102in, 24in, 40hp. Comparing photos, the bg body was longer by one window and set higher with a deeper chassis frame. If you have a drawing of the ng one, it ought to be relatively straightforward to derive a drawing of the bg one. Donal Murray's book on the GSR has pictures of both 385 (broad gauge) and 395 (narrow gauge) on p.78. The West Clare must only have had narrow gauge passengers to fit the same number of passengers into a railcar with one window less per side and a car that was 54" shorter Wrt the PW one, the door is open and obscures the profile view but it certainly seems to be no more than 4 windows per side with running boards only on the front door. I'm not sure if there is a second door on it at all. Is that IRS Drewry book available still? Edited March 16, 2017 by DiveController Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 Fantastic stuff, gentlemen, many thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 KMCE Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 JHB et al, My search for information on this type of railcar has led me back here - should have started here I'm in the process of building one of these rail cars and am using the Worsley Works Kits to produce a broad gauge version and am running into trouble with the chassis, as the available photos do not provide enough detail. Progress to date: Scratch building aid kit as delivered (x2) Removing narrow gauge handles prior to splitting the body to insert the additional window (hence the kit x 2) Panel inserted and body made up. Scrap brass used to hold the inset section. Basic chassis made to set levels (wrong wheels - correct on order) but now need need a little more information to develop a more accurate chassis / underframe assembly. Is the information noted above still available?? Here's hoping... Ken 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted June 7, 2018 Author Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) Very nice work. I am not sure of exact chassis detail, but I have a vague idea that there's a decent shot of one in the National Photographic Archive collection of the late Jimmy O'Dea. That's maybe the photo reproduced above.....! Livery wise - GSR later (LMS shade) maroon, though some have said that at least one might have been varnished wood. I cannot confirm or deny that. CIE painted them the standard dark green, complete with (rather large, for the size of them) "eau-de-nil" lines and snail. None ever got the lighter green. I am afraid I can't provide any info on the interior colours either, though it is probable that they had darkish red upholstery if any, and light brown-painted interiors. I will delve into the Catacombs here to see if I can dig up anything else. Edited June 7, 2018 by jhb171achill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Galteemore Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 On 6/8/2018 at 12:12 AM, jhb171achill said: Very nice work. I am not sure of exact chassis detail, but I have a vague idea that there's a decent shot of one in the National Photographic Archive collection of the late Jimmy O'Dea. That's maybe the photo reproduced above.....! Livery wise - GSR later (LMS shade) maroon, though some have said that at least one might have been varnished wood. I cannot confirm or deny that. CIE painted them the standard dark green, complete with (rather large, for the size of them) "eau-de-nil" lines and snail. None ever got the lighter green. I am afraid I can't provide any info on the interior colours either, though it is probable that they had darkish red upholstery if any, and light brown-painted interiors. I will delve into the Catacombs here to see if I can dig up anything else. JHB - can you please clarify CIE livery on this railcar? I’m picturing plain green ends with EDN stripes along sides. Black running gear. Does this sound right? Thanks, D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 It was the pre-55 green, as seen today on 800 in Cultra and several preserved CIE buses. An exact sample (actual CIE paint) is on the “snail” on my logo on this site, which is a good quality (in terms of light) photo of the mounted flying snail displayed in Headhunters Railway Museum in Enniskillen. Jhb171 Senior got this done in Inchicore about sixty five years ago. Lining was the same EDN with black & gold lining, as on carriages and buses. i stand to be corrected on this, but I’m nearly sure that ends were plain unlined green, as you suggest, with the lining on sides only (despite the whole vehicle being like a biscuit tin on wheels). Carriages, on the other hand, had black ends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 KMCE Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 6/5/2018 at 10:19 PM, KMCE said: I'm in the process of building one of these rail cars and am using the Worsley Works Kits to produce a broad gauge version and am running into trouble with the chassis, as the available photos do not provide enough detail. Turns out that the Worsley kit will provide partial sides and not much else. The ends are too narrow and are more suited to the narrow gauge version. I'll scratch build some ends for the model I am building. Dimensions shall be as per the drawing below. This is drawn up from a poor original GSR drawing of the railcar with elements stuck in such as the notes bottom left. I'll post the drawing up in the resources section also for reference. Ken 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Galteemore Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 On 5/5/2019 at 9:35 PM, KMCE said: Turns out that the Worsley kit will provide partial sides and not much else. The ends are too narrow and are more suited to the narrow gauge version. I'll scratch build some ends for the model I am building. Dimensions shall be as per the drawing below. This is drawn up from a poor original GSR drawing of the railcar with elements stuck in such as the notes bottom left. I'll post the drawing up in the resources section also for reference. Ken Looking forward to seeing more on this Ken. I do have a vested interest with a 7mm one in the build pile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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