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Query re GSR Drewry railcars

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I've seen 2 photos of the GSR broad gauge ones, one in the Locomotives of the GSR book, and another of one at somewhere like Sallins or Monasterevin...brain may kick in as to what book that was in...

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As far as I can remember the booking office at the ISPS Stradbally railway site was one of the standard gauge cars. Not sure if it is still there.

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As far as I can remember the booking office at the ISPS Stradbally railway site was one of the standard gauge cars. Not sure if it is still there.

 

It left Stradbally in 1983 and was moved to Mallow (GRSPS), then Cahir Railway Museum and finally to Dromod in 1993. It was then sent for regauging and re-engining to Alan Keef in Ross-on-Wye and returned in the mid-1990s. The motorised chassis has been used to give enthusiast rides at Dromod but the bodywork remains stored. It was originally a 5ft 3" inspection car.

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This broad gauge Drewry railcar is shorter and without a livery other than its own timbers. This one is for PW work It would seem that had to be hand cranked too?

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Looking in the IRS Drewry book, the two broad gauge railcars (as opposed to inspection car) were very similar to the narrow gauge ones. There is a good photo on page 89 of a broad gauge one. Seating capacity was supposedly identical. The wheelbase was 156in, wheel diameter 30in and hp was 70/75. Equivalents for the ng version were 102in, 24in, 40hp. Comparing photos, the bg body was longer by one window and set higher with a deeper chassis frame. If you have a drawing of the ng one, it ought to be relatively straightforward to derive a drawing of the bg one.

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Brilliant, Rich, many thanks.

 

I was sure there was a picture of one when quite new among Senior's stuff, but I can't find it..... maybe I was wrong!

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I guess that's a hint that one of mine might come in useful......... ;) Will PM later.

 

BTW wasn't the Drumm prototype built from one of these railcars? Drawings or photos of that might help.

 

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Apart from the streamlined end and the batteries, much of the Drewry remains in that photo

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Looking in the IRS Drewry book, the two broad gauge railcars (as opposed to inspection car) were very similar to the narrow gauge ones. There is a good photo on page 89 of a broad gauge one. Seating capacity was supposedly identical. The wheelbase was 156in, wheel diameter 30in and hp was 70/75. Equivalents for the ng version were 102in, 24in, 40hp. Comparing photos, the bg body was longer by one window and set higher with a deeper chassis frame. If you have a drawing of the ng one, it ought to be relatively straightforward to derive a drawing of the bg one.

Donal Murray's book on the GSR has pictures of both 385 (broad gauge) and 395 (narrow gauge) on p.78. The West Clare must only have had narrow gauge passengers to fit the same number of passengers into a railcar with one window less per side and a car that was 54" shorter :D

Wrt the PW one, the door is open and obscures the profile view but it certainly seems to be no more than 4 windows per side with running boards only on the front door. I'm not sure if there is a second door on it at all. Is that IRS Drewry book available still?

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JHB et al,

My search for information on this type of railcar has led me back here - should have started here  🤔

I'm in the process of building one of these rail cars and am using the Worsley Works Kits to produce a broad gauge version and am running into trouble with the chassis, as the available photos do not provide enough detail.

Progress to date:

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Scratch building aid kit as delivered (x2)

 

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Removing narrow gauge handles prior to splitting the body to insert the additional window (hence the kit x 2)

 

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Panel inserted and body made up.

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Scrap brass used to hold the inset section.

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Basic chassis made to set levels (wrong wheels - correct on order) but now need need a little more information to develop a more accurate chassis / underframe assembly.

Is the information noted above still available??

 

Here's hoping...

 

Ken

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Very nice work.

I am not sure of exact chassis detail, but I have a vague idea that there's a decent shot of one in the National Photographic Archive collection of the late Jimmy O'Dea. That's maybe the photo reproduced above.....!

Livery wise - GSR later (LMS shade) maroon, though some have said that at least one might have been varnished wood. I cannot confirm or deny that. CIE painted them the standard dark green, complete with (rather large, for the size of them) "eau-de-nil" lines and snail. None ever got the lighter green.

I am afraid I can't provide any info on the interior colours either, though it is probable that they had darkish red upholstery if any, and light brown-painted interiors.

I will delve into the Catacombs here to see if I can dig up anything else.

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