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Hi, just wondering what engines we are seeing in these photos, what year (roughly) and are there any models of them (or something similar) which could be converted. Thanks.

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First one is hard to make out if it's a Class D11, or D14, or D15, or ??, I'd go with a D14 - no models for this one, there are Hornby 4-4-0s that could be converted but they are a bit big and require some converting.

Second one is a Class J15, - OO Works do a RTR model and Studio Scale Models do a brass kit if your into building kits.

The D14s were built from 1886 to 1891! and steam ships in harbour- my guess on period is 1900 to 1920?

Eoin

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Loco in the 1st photo most likely to be a 60 Class (GSR/CIE D14) the standard GSWR passenger loco of the late 19th Century or possibly the slightly smaller 52 Class (GSR D17)

Class D14 - 95 - GS&WR Class 60 4-4-0, built 1885 by Inchicore Works - 1925 to GSR, 1941 rebuilt with Belpaire boiler, 1945 to CIE - withdrawn 1955.

60 Class No 95 

Class D17 - 59 - GSWR Class 52 4-4-0, built 1888 by Inchicore Works - 1925 to GSR, 1945 to CIE - withdrawn 1955.

52 Class No 59.

The ex GSWR 4-4-0s went through major re-building which considerably changed their appearance after the 1925 re-building

Both classes were re-built by the GSR & CIE with superheated boilers and larger/more modern cabs and lasted into the late 1950s.

Class D14 -  89 - GS&WR Class 60 4-4-0, built 1886 by Inchicore Works - 1925 to GSR, 1925 rebuilt with Belpaire boiler, 1936 rebuilt and superheated, 1945 to CIE - withdrawn 1957.

60 Class No 89 rebuilt with superheated boiler, modern cab and raised running board.

Class D14 - 60 - GS&WR Class 60 4-4-0, built 1891 by Inchicore Works - 1925 to GSR, 1934 rebuilt with Belpaire bolier, 1945 to CIE - withdrawn 1957 - seen here at Inchicore in 1938.

60 Class 60 with rebuilt with superheated boiler.

Class D17 - 52 - GSWR Class 52 4-4-0, built 1883 by Inchicore Works - 1925 to GSR, 1931 rebuilt with Belpaire boiler, 1945 to CIE - withdrawn 1949 - seen here at Inchicore.

52 Class 52 rebuilt with superheated boiler.

As Eoin indicated no rtr model or kit is available for these locos and the Hornby T9 is a much larger loco and require considerable work.

A Hornby 2P or Triang-Hornby L1 https://www.ebay.com/itm/HORNBY-R2099B-LMS-BLACK-4-4-0-CLASS-2P-LOCOMOTIVE-645-MINT-BOXED-nh/332408690831?epid=553125494&hash=item4d651a188f:g:5LEAAOSwrnNXP2 could be converted into one of the larger 321 Class 4-4-0s which were used on the Dublin-Cork main line and may have worked into Cobh

Class D 2 - 321 - GS&WR Class 321 4-4-0 - built 1904 by Inchicore Works - 1924 rebuilt with Belpaire boiler, 1933 rebuilt with Belpaire boiler, 1945 to CIE - withdrawn 1957.

321 as rebuilt with superheated boiler modern cab and raised running board

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Both photos appear to be of Queenstown (Cobh). 

Date is most likely during or around WW1 given the ships in the first photo appear to be Royal Navy Cruisers or similar. 

Perhaps liberty men returning to ship on the tender just leaving the quay?

For the locos, I think Eoin and John have answered that one.

Ken

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Edit to above.

Ship in the foreground is HMS Warspite, an armoured  cruiser which was a port guard ship in Queenstown between 1893 to 1896,  and subsequently scrapped in 1905.

Hopefully this gives a more accurate date than noted above.

(Ok - I'll get my anorak and go!)

Ken

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Pre-1900 would certainly fit in with the coaching stock in the 1st photograph.  The 3rd & 4th coaches in the train look like 4 wheel coaches which had all gone by the 1925 Amalgamation.

The GSWR & GSR operated through Dublin-Cobh boat trains in conjunction with the Transatlantic Ocean Liner services.

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Postcard of 500 Class 4-6-0 on Queenstown Mail. 

Does anyone know when the Transatlantic Boat Trains ceased running?

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