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On 9/4/2024 at 5:46 PM, BEANO3005 said:

Well I'm not going to say much on these as I'm usually shot at point blank range. So let's be brief. I would have bought at least 6 of them, had they been correct but I'm only getting two, those being 174 and 191. Had IRM of done these, I have pre-oreded the lot, as they would have been perfect, but silly errors and double the price for very little mmodifications, no thanks. The 1st batch of 141/181s were little gems when released. I still run them today with great pleasure. I am very grateful to MM for the time and effort put into the Irish Model Rail scene, and without him we wouldn't be where we are today. Thanks.

I haven’t seen these yet. What errors did you spot?

On 9/4/2024 at 1:22 PM, DJ Dangerous said:

547 rides a little higher than 181 and 300, maybe 1mm or 2mm.

There's extra clearance between body and bogies compared to the other two.

Is this prototypical?

 

That’s kinda odd on 547. I can see how it rides higher off the bogie. Is there an extra shim or is it a difference in the coach floor?

It one end of the coach or both? What bogies does your 547 have on it ?

8 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

I asked Rails to advise on update re ordering hattons Genesis CIE six wheelers. This is what they said:

 

Rails of Sheffield

Hi Jonathan, the orders are due to be fulfilled by us, however i am afraid the order details have not yet come through from Hattons. as soon as they do we will be in touch.

That’s what they said verbatim to me in early February which isn’t very reassuring. Wouldn’t Hattons just want dump this electronic data to Rails, thank them and be done?

8 hours ago, BosKonay said:

Indeed - https://irishrailwaymodels.com/pages/projects

They and the 071 should be identical to the last batches. 

The only addition to the 141s seems to have been the addition of a speaker with no improvement in the very tedious access to the innards. Some people will feel let down that MM is continuing to use long paid for decades old tooling for in the 141s and seemingly now in other reruns, despite doubling the price point without any demonstrable intent to improve or modernize the model.

I purchased some of the new 141s, but I have many of the original 071s and 201s in hand. I’m gonna be waiting cautiously for the price point on  these, am certainly not going to be selling any of the original stock for ‘new’ 201s.
 

For anyone who does want one though, I think some photos of the liveries prior to purchasing would be essential especially given the color variations on previous MM coaching stock. 

On 5/4/2024 at 7:03 AM, DJ Dangerous said:

 

It doesn't tell you how to identify the fakes!

So, how does one know?

The Dapol announcement is tagged as "O Gauge" so is it only O Gauge fakes?

Model Railway Emporium on eBay are UK based, selling brand new 121's, yet are not listed as an authorised distributor on the Murphy Models website.

Are they selling stolen products or fakes?

 

 

This thread was started by Wrenneire with the iteration of intended prosecution by MM of the buyer of a stolen MM locomotive. I haven’t seen anything on Murphy Models website warning of stolen or fake locomotives so their existence at this point and any potential prosecution is hearsay and no more. The onus would be on MM to prove the person is in receipt of stolen property in every single case, not on the purchaser. In consideration that the manufacturer would have had to take reasonable steps to secure it own moulds and products and warn of any failings in that regard, and not provided a serial number or any means where a non-expert customer could reasonably identify a fake or stolen product, that can be purchased by distance selling, a successful prosecution is not going to happen. Anyone with a background in law or law enforcement would be aware that concealment is an exception to Caveat Emptor. 

Other than official distributors , these products can be purchased and resold at the retail and private level. I’m wondering now if Murphy models were to pursue what has been threatened (in hearsay) whether they might also deny a warranty claim, not only that but prosecute the customer instead. The MM website does not state what is required for warranty not even a receipt. Except for the USA, it does not list any official distributors, but stockists (which still includes Hattons).

Should we even purchase these locos for fear of prosecution or warranty denial or both? While any potential theft of the locos is reprehensible, I’m not sure that threatening your client base with either is a wise business strategy but we will see what happens in an official statement when  and if that comes I guess. 

How is the DCC chip fitted? Any changes to the awkward body removal technique?

2 hours ago, WRENNEIRE said:

Knock yourself out man 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_coach_type_codes

Pilot to Fr. Ted ".... I know what I did there, I started too big"

If anyone can shed some light on what differences exist between the various Iarnrod Eireann ICR prototypes A1, A2 and A3 ( I understand the basic British coach codes for the most part). Just trying to get a basic understanding of these which are not at all my era and might get one or two of the models. Thanks 

2 hours ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

Either way it's still theft

I understand that. I'm as confused as @BosKonay and trying to understand what is happening which is not clear from @WRENNEIRE's post of not April 1st. Hopefully he will reply

6 hours ago, BosKonay said:

All preorders would have had the same email but if you’re paid already you can safely ignore / check the status at https://irishrailwaymodels.com

When i click on the email it directs me to a preorder list which says that main payment for loco is "No".

Double checked the account and it has been paid long prior to the email. It would be simpler if they were sent only to those yet to pay or cancel?

Can someone explain in brief the differences between an A1, A2, A3 DMSO, DRBFOs and any other word salad that might be relevant.

 Thanks in advance

On 24/2/2024 at 10:47 AM, hurricanemk1c said:

There's still the two slots in the A3 car, and there's effectively seat belts in between the tip up seats that strap it a bike in, exactly like a NIR CAF

ok, I get it.  I didn't notice the spaces between seats. Have been on these once or twice in my life only.

3 hours ago, WRENNEIRE said:

On the subject of Murphys Models I was speaking with Paddy this afternoon
He is very upset with some of his models that are appearing on eBay etc and 
coming from China
These locos are stolen property!
He has been in touch with the authorities there and they are commencing an investigation
If anyone is found to have bought one of these stolen items it is his intention to have them
prosecuted for handling stolen property
Caveat Emptor, (pass Latin 1972 St Declans CBS Cabra!)

 

So these have been stolen from the batch of 141/181 locos in China prior to dispatch to Ireland, or are fake/duplicate models made by someone with access to the molds/facilities?

4 hours ago, murphaph said:

Are you talking about 16.5mm gauge track Noel?

The track gauge would not matter PROVIDED the platform is at the correct scale distance from the track center. I don’t know what that prototypical distance is as it happens, I presume it would be 1/2 of the loading gauge width at floor height. Platforms placed for typical British model stock with fine clearances might have issues especially if there is a tight layout curve vs prototypical shallow curves on most lines. Same issue for double track. The track centers need to be the prototypical distance for 5’3” versus 4’ 8.5”. Is the British loading gauge narrower? Certainly the PRs and some laminates would have to be clearance tested on British Rails vs. British stock which can be narrower

@Noel

Would prefer to see a Queen than her Jeep

7 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

I believe there’s a whole array of bustitutions planned.

Ooh! Good portmanteau. Hadn’t heard that one before

3 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

 

This is what I see, but after a few minutes, the Pre-Order button will appear.

Sometimes takes one or two reloads, sometimes five or ten.

 

 

Bit of a cluster, same thing happened with the 141s button many times. Don’t need to be clearing caches instead of choosing models

Very glad to hear this. Was in communication with Hattons many weeks ago just after the closure to ask about the fate of the product database and this is a good solution 

3 hours ago, Horsetan said:

Presumably the more expensive ones are the ones with the fewest flaws!

I have several of these and tbh the flaws are very livable. I’m trying to think of a manufacturer that doesn’t have some flaws

On 20/2/2024 at 3:35 PM, DERAILED said:

Where is the dedicated provision for bicycles other than a bicycle on the floor which is where they’ll all end up?

standing on IC services? Lawsuit waiting to happen….

On 20/2/2024 at 8:16 AM, Horsetan said:

 

Update: the local post office has found the parcel and we have retrieved it!

It does look like it has either been drop-kicked or partly crushed in transit....

Bastardos!

11 hours ago, mmie353 said:

I contacted Rails about this and they said it may take several weeks for them to complete the process from Hattons. They told me they will be reaching out to those to placed pre-orders for them. So we wait a little more.... 

Also reached out to Rails, same reply. Maybe a little more time. But it does show how desirable the Genesis coaches are, given the lack of anything similar or better out there (rtr)

On 11/2/2024 at 8:17 PM, WRENNEIRE said:

Superbowl???
They want to think of a new name for it!
Answers on a postcard.......

What’s a postcard?  

15 hours ago, Noel said:

Watched this interesting video on Injection Moulding plastic process.

 

I would suggest changing the title to this interesting thread/video  as it will not be found in a search of the forum save one for leprechauns and the like 

Sign me up x3, then there are liveries, here we go… (well hopefully)

5 hours ago, Robert Shrives said:

I guess waiting on announcing original livery/ Hunslet project, well hopefully.

Robert 

 

 

On 16/2/2024 at 9:54 AM, jhb171achill said:

And the 1990s have returned in Malahide today. 

But the driver of the Enterprise took a wrong turning and ended up heading for Wexford….

Surely that’s the signalman’s fault, setting the incorrect road? Ah, now I understand how in old photos various stock got so far from home territory except none really got to West Cork (sorry, Jonathan, working on my accent still)  

On 16/2/2024 at 2:29 PM, Newtoncork said:

Great to see these Jonathan. Be great for the kids at the weekend! Actually more for the dads........

Wouldn’t be a bad idea for kids to see these running, recent posts showing concern for the permanent loss of interest in earlier eras with the passing of time and modellers

Would be handy to have one for mainline and secondery route NIR stock also