IRM Announcements.

[jhb171achill]

I have named several persons in a list of instructions to whoever has to deal with planting me in the ground. These are people who I know I can trust to advise the young’uns wisely, and who themselves are a good bit younger than me…..

[DJ Dangerous]

Maybe the next "major" announcement will be that the schedule of announcements is ready.

[Westcorkrailway]

2 hours ago, Broithe said:

Mmm, safe?

Assuming they don't bump you off and cash in...

There not helping by providing me with some of the goodies for Christmas every year!

 

90 percent of my book collection came from a local library clearing there library and some really rare railway books with them. Can’t really be re-sold to a collector as they have library stickers Inside the covers and on the spines, the other 10 percent are really generous donations and railway books I purchased myself. I should post a picture of my library on here as it’s one of the only things I have neatly put together! 
 

My memorabilia is all over the place sometimes to get something 1950s you need to buy 1890s and 1990s stuff with them in the bundle deal! Now there is a few “bigger” items like an original bantry excursion poster, GM reverser key, Flying snail hat. Again I’ve found local and further afield railway enthusiasts too be really helpful in tracking down some of this stuff….some have even given stuff complimentary which I cannot thank enough. A kinsale staff though is currently the dream…but I don’t even know if any still exist. Last time I’ve heard one reported was in 2001 - before i was even born! 

 

Regardless I shall put a special line in my will 

under no circumstances are model trains or otherwise to end up on the internet or I will curse from the grave!  

[connollystn]

The vibe of this thread is sort of turning into RIP announcements rather than IRM announcements.

[Westcorkrailway]

We do love a good tangent!

[WRENNEIRE]

5 hours ago, Colin R said:

 

I have to be honest about this I don't have a clue who I could leave all my model railway stuff to or the book collection, as for the rest of it, I think it would be classified as old tat.

  I know a man .....

 

[Fowler4f]

Another restless night ahead dreaming of what might be, whenever that will be !

[Colin R]

I know it has been said before but I would really like a 12mm gauge 2-6-0T Dingle style loco

[Westcorkrailway]

23 minutes ago, Colin R said:

I know it has been said before but I would really like a 12mm gauge 2-6-0T Dingle style loco

 

[connollystn]

34 minutes ago, Colin R said:

I know it has been said before but I would really like a 12mm gauge 2-6-0T Dingle style loco

Would there be much of a market for Irish narrow gauge in OO?

[Basil]

6 minutes ago, connollystn said:

Would there be much of a market for Irish narrow gauge in OO?

 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Basil

[leslie10646]

9 minutes ago, connollystn said:

Would there be much of a market for Irish narrow gauge in OO?

No, but if there is, it's probably abroad (ie Big Island and beyond).

Let's see how quickly the Festiniog locos and stock sell out.

I was very tempted to buy one of each for my sons who spent endless holidays going up and down the Fest. They're lovely models, but they're SO small. The 15mm guy above showed how to do it.

[Colin R]

32 minutes ago, connollystn said:

Would there be much of a market for Irish narrow gauge in OO?

That I don't know but it is funny that die hard 009 modellers have all of a sudden started to think in terms of the new TT1:120  Hornby 08 diesel shunter loco as narrow gauge loco bashing (its not even released yet) but I have been told that pre-demand is very heavy for the model.

If Hornby continue to produce suitable 00n3/ TT1:120 size chassis's then why not, I have it on good authority that one 3D printer guy has a load of designs ready to go once the chassis becomes available.     

[Galteemore]

35 minutes ago, leslie10646 said:

No, but if there is, it's probably abroad (ie Big Island and beyond).

Let's see how quickly the Festiniog locos and stock sell out.

I was very tempted to buy one of each for my sons who spent endless holidays going up and down the Fest. They're lovely models, but they're SO small. The 15mm guy above showed how to do it.

My brother has an 009 set up and the stuff is like something out of a Faberge egg. Too tiny for me but exquisite!

[Colin R]

1 hour ago, leslie10646 said:

No, but if there is, it's probably abroad (ie Big Island and beyond).

Let's see how quickly the Ffestiniog locos and stock sell out.

I was very tempted to buy one of each for my sons who spent endless holidays going up and down the Fest. They're lovely models, but they're SO small. The 15mm guy above showed how to do it.

It is a funny gauge 12mm you have the Irish/IOM 3ft gauge stock for 00n3 then you have HOm Meter gauge stock from Mainland Europe then you have HOn3 American Modelling using 10.5mm gauge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_ft_gauge_rail_modelling

I am not sure if you will ever get all three to work out of the box on the same gauge, we can but try, I have 4 Roundhouse HOn3 2-8-0 Tender loco kits awaiting building for 12mm gauge.

To be honest what we have kit wise is not bad and I would hate it if went down the same road that 009 is now going, so many good looking models but for their size dammed expensive in RTR. The down size is that the 009 kit manufactures are now also increasing the costs of kits. 

[jhb171achill]

In narrow gauge, I am quite surprised that nobody has yet done a Dingle 2.6.0T, a Donegal 2.6.4T, or perhaps more so an Isle of Man 2.4.0T in RTR.

There don't even seem to be half-decent kits for any of them.

[GSR 800]

2 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

No, but if there is, it's probably abroad (ie Big Island and beyond).

Let's see how quickly the Festiniog locos and stock sell out.

I was very tempted to buy one of each for my sons who spent endless holidays going up and down the Fest. They're lovely models, but they're SO small. The 15mm guy above showed how to do it.

I think, in time, should steam sell well, T&D plus some cattle wagons, maybe an american style verandah carriage and a brake could be reasonably popular. Certainly very iconic.

But sure look aren't I talking fanciful stuff, any Irish steam and I'd be a very happy man.

4 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

In narrow gauge, I am quite surprised that nobody has yet done a Dingle 2.6.0T, a Donegal 2.6.4T, or perhaps more so an Isle of Man 2.4.0T in RTR.

There don't even seem to be half-decent kits for any of them.

Very surprising considering the absolute abundance of 3D printed bodies for narrow gauge locos.

Perhaps a good donor chassis is lacking?

[Andy Cundick]

36 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

In narrow gauge, I am quite surprised that nobody has yet done a Dingle 2.6.0T, a Donegal 2.6.4T, or perhaps more so an Isle of Man 2.4.0T in RTR.

There don't even seem to be half-decent kits for any of them.

I'd have to disagree having built 4 of the Backwoods Class 5's 3 of the Branchlines  T&Ds and two of the Branchlines IOM loco plus 2 of the GEM kits with Branchlines chassis however i believe there is talk of an IOM ready to run loco making an appearance.Andy 

[Westcorkrailway]

38 minutes ago, GSR 800 said:

I think, in time, should steam sell well, T&D plus some cattle wagons, maybe an american style verandah carriage and a brake could be reasonably popular. Certainly very iconic.

But sure look aren't I talking fanciful stuff, any Irish steam and I'd be a very happy man.

Very surprising considering the absolute abundance of 3D printed bodies for narrow gauge locos.

Perhaps a good donor chassis is lacking?

Yes that seems to be the issue….think of narrow gauge Irish wheel arrangements….until there is more uk stuff it will be hard to find a match 

 

Mark Dunlea has 3D prints done for Schull and skibbereen 4-4-0s

[Horsetan]

1 hour ago, jhb171achill said:

In narrow gauge, I am quite surprised that nobody has yet done a Dingle 2.6.0T, a Donegal 2.6.4T, or perhaps more so an Isle of Man 2.4.0T in RTR.

There don't even seem to be half-decent kits for any of them.

 

57 minutes ago, Andy Cundick said:

I'd have to disagree having built 4 of the Backwoods Class 5's 3 of the Branchlines  T&Ds and two of the Branchlines IOM loco plus 2 of the GEM kits with Branchlines chassis .... 

Andy, I think @jhb171achillmeant kits currently available. It's all very well saying you've built the Backwoods Donegal kits, but they are not available anymore.

And, yes, I know N-Drive Productions now own the Backwoods Irish range but I'd be surprised if they all reappear in the 5-10 years ahead. It's not their full-time job.

Edited February 1, 2023 by Horsetan

[jhb171achill]

2 minutes ago, Horsetan said:

 

Andy, I think @jhb171achillmeant kits currently available. It's all very well saying you've built the Backwoods Donegal kits, but they are not available anymore.

And, yes, I know N-Drive Productions now own the Backwoods Irish range but I'd be surprised if they all reappear in the 5-10 years. It's not their full-time job.

Indeed - that is what I meant, should have made that clear.  I had a T & D kit once (sold it years ago), and it fitted a Grafar chassis reasonably well. Good enough by the standards of those days, but certainly nowhere close to the IRM-type standard we'd expect from a modern RTR, it such were available.

[leslie10646]

 

Of course, those of us "in weeping exile" can see Andy's CDR delights for under a tenner, if we live in the right part of the Big Island.

See Bruckless thread.

Have you built one of these yet, Andy?  Pretty little loco?                                    Aughnacloy 25/6/37 Casserley 14204, Copyright The Syndicate

Edited February 3, 2023 by leslie10646
Correcting the location!

[Westcorkrailway]

If any narrow gauge locomotives were to be produced in 50 years time By IRM or some other brand . Even then I would think it would be a very well traveled narrow gauge loco, and went to a station that it shared with standerd gauge (belturbet, strabane, skibbbereen, Ennis, Tralee ect.) or something preserved.
 

The T&D locos fill out that requirement for sure. And there is one preserved (in a pile of peices and rusting to shite) but alas maybe things could change

 

CBPR tanks would also be a popular option according to a pole I did on another page

 

Another likely one though is bord NA mona diesels….well traveled, cover wide eras ect. Some very simular locos in other countries 

[Basil]

21 minutes ago, leslie10646 said:

 

Of course, those of us "in weeping exile" can see Andy's CDR delights for under a tenner, if we live in the right part of the Big Island.

See Bruckless thread.

Have you built one of these yet, Andy?  Pretty little loco?                                                     Augher: 25/6/37 Casserley, Copyright The Syndicate

Backwoods did a kit but this 3D print + halling motor bogie is attractive. https://www.shapeways.com/product/YRVXZZ8J3/00n3-clogher-valley-tram-engine?optionId=63579592&li=shops

Theres even a ready to run offering (albeit 009) https://www.fourdees.co.uk/clogher

[Galteemore]

The Fourdees 009 one reveals part of the issue with Irish 009 locos - it’s scaled down in size as a true 4mm replica would be too big for 009 track. Irish 3’ gauge locos were quite chunky things - a far cry from quarry Hunslets and the like. So they aren’t really mainstream 009 fodder.

I built a 3mm scale CV tank from a 3d print - lovely and straightforward. I added a fair few wire and brass details but it’s not really necessary. 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Galteemore

[Mayner]

I am not convinced there is sufficient demand to justify the risk (financial!) of producing a rtr model of an Irish 3' gauge loco and train to run behind it.

Historically the level of interest in the Irish 3' gauge among narrow gauge modelers has always been considerably smaller than the 2-2'6" gauge lines in mainland UK.

Irish & Manx  3' gauge lines were a rarity compared to models of the Welsh and English narrow gauge lines at national, regional and specialist narrow gauge exhibitions in the UK.

Pete Mc Parlin owner of Backwoods Miniatures concentrated on producing 009 kits of Welsh, English locos and American S & O Scale narrow gauge models in response to very poor sales of his extensive range of Irish 3' gauge kits. Similarily  injection molded  plastic Tralee and Dingle and Donegal wagon kits produced by Parkside and Nine Lines were mainly assembled in OO9.

The Festiniog has a massive following among enthusiasts and modeler possibly the largest narrow gauge supporters group with a membership possibly around the 100,000 mark dominates the "British" narrow gauge, in comparison other prominent Welsh narrow gauge lines like the Vale of Rheidol and the Talyllyn are minor operations.

I am not convinced the new Peco TT track system or Hornby's new TT models will result in a significant increase in interest in modelling the Irish Narrow Gauge.

Suitable 12mm narrow gauge track systems have been available from Bemo and Peco for over 20 years, the days of "scaling up" an N gauge chassis to OO9 or a TT Chassis to the Irish or Manx 3' gauge have largely gone.

[Patrick Davey]

1 hour ago, leslie10646 said:

 

Of course, those of us "in weeping exile" can see Andy's CDR delights for under a tenner, if we live in the right part of the Big Island.

See Bruckless thread.

Have you built one of these yet, Andy?  Pretty little loco?                                                     Augher: 25/6/37 Casserley, Copyright The Syndicate

That doesn't look like Augher Leslie?

[jhb171achill]

Fivemiletown, perhaps? Certainly not Augher.

 

[Andy Cundick]

14 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

 

Of course, those of us "in weeping exile" can see Andy's CDR delights for under a tenner, if we live in the right part of the Big Island.

See Bruckless thread.

Have you built one of these yet, Andy?  Pretty little loco?                                                     Augher: 25/6/37 Casserley, Copyright The Syndicate

Two built so far with one more to go though as far as the three foot stuff goes i'm concentrating on the Donegal at the moment what with Bruckless off all over the place.Andy.

[connollystn]

Now that we've established that there isn't enough demand for OO narrow gauge stock we can concentrate on what IRM are most likely going to announce later this month. I've a feeling that it'll be a passenger coach and the Park Royal is the one which comes to mind. Failing that, it'll be one of the other mainline diesels which have yet to be modelled. Just 26 sleeps to go.......

[airfixfan]

17 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Fivemiletown, perhaps? Certainly not Augher.

 

Agree with JHB

[Broithe]

32 minutes ago, connollystn said:

Now that we've established that there isn't enough demand for OO narrow gauge stock we can concentrate on what IRM are most likely going to announce later this month. I've a feeling that it'll be a passenger coach and the Park Royal is the one which comes to mind. Failing that, it'll be one of the other mainline diesels which have yet to be modelled. Just 26 sleeps to go.......

So, no hope at all for Lartigue, then?

[Andy Cundick]

Isn't three rail a bit old hat ? Andy

[Fowler4f]

3 hours ago, connollystn said:

Now that we've established that there isn't enough demand for OO narrow gauge stock we can concentrate on what IRM are most likely going to announce later this month. I've a feeling that it'll be a passenger coach and the Park Royal is the one which comes to mind. Failing that, it'll be one of the other mainline diesels which have yet to be modelled. Just 26 sleeps to go.......

Surely not another 26 restless nights of dreaming what may come !

[leslie10646]

On 1/2/2023 at 11:55 PM, jhb171achill said:

Fivemiletown, perhaps? Certainly not Augher.

 

Apologies, it is at AUGHNACLOY. I've corrected the original post.

I catalogued so many of these Casserleys over the last three days that I'm getting cross-eyed going from scan to his notebooks and back identifying the scans! Henry took about two dozen photos on the CVR on this visit. He'd come from the SL&NCR (a call at Enniskillen only) where he took less than a dozen shots.

Congratulations Mr Galteemore on the lovely model of these (not so little?) engines!). They are giants beside the Fest locos!

Edited February 3, 2023 by leslie10646