Sails 48 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 no too sure if this is old news but Kernow's announced this morning via facbook "Murphy Models announce a further production of the Craven Buffet Coach, due late October / early November" There site has been update to start accepting pre-orders. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Railer 443 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Yep, that's the announced 1509, sister coach to 1508. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Noel 3,827 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Yep, that's the announced 1509, sister coach to 1508. That is more good news. http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/58241/MM1509-Murphy-Models-Cravens-Buffet-Coach-number-1509TL BTW, are 1508 and 1509 not just a snack bar coaches rather than a buffets (i.e. despite Kernow's description)? Both Murphy Models catalog and RPSI refer to 1508 as a 'snack bar' https://www.steamtrainsireland.com/rpsi-collection/38/cravens-snack-car-1508. As far as I recall they didn't have kitchen facilities for hot food. Does anybody have any photos of the inside of 1522 and its kitchen facilities? Happy days with IRM, RPSI and MM releases this winter. There is a lot happening Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WT CLASS 2-6-4T No. 4 11 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 It's a nice price too, £57.50 and yes that's sterling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WT CLASS 2-6-4T No. 4 11 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I don't think that there ever was a full Cravens dining car, CIE used the 24xx series of dining cars built a the 50s and 60s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Junctionmad 57 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I don't think that there ever was a full Cravens dining car, CIE used the 24xx series of dining cars built a the 50s and 60s. wasn't that the point of 1522, when CIE withdraw the last of the 24xx series , they converted the 1522 into a kitchen car Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhb171achill 3,809 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) No Cravens were ever kitchen or bar cars until the RPSI converted two standards. Belatedly, CIE put small food serverys in 1508 / 9. That was all. 1508 saw somewhat more use and the RPSI now has it. 1509 was scrapped. Edited January 29, 2018 by jhb171achill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Railer 443 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1508 and 1509 were both converted to snack cars in 1990. 1509 only lasted in this configuration for just under 3 years and was lost to a fire in 1993. 1508 on the other hand has featured in almost every RPSI, ITG and IRRS railtour featuring Cravens since 1990 by request. As a model 1509 covers a very short timeframe, I think only the NIR blue 201s feature a shorter history span. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhb171achill 3,809 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1509, yes, not 1507. I stand corrected! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhb171achill 3,809 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 As a model 1509 covers a very short timeframe, I think only the NIR blue 201s feature a shorter history span. In terms of accurate operation, that makes both very limited indeed, and possibly of greater interest to a collector rather than layout operator. There are other examples - De Dietrichs only for Dublin - Belfast line (albeit over a way longer period), and the light green Belmond 201 being another short lived loco livery. NIR briefly ran a Mk 2 still in BR livery in the 1990s, and some CIE locos acquired the IE "set of points" logo before they got a full repaint in tippex stripes. In one of my books there's a pic showing a loco in filthy Supertrain livery, complete with CIE roundel on the FRONT. On the SIDE there's a "set of points"! I understand that this was extremely short lived as the loco was fully repainted in IE Tippex shortly afterwards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niles 100 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1518 and 1520 were also converted to snack cars around 1986 and reverted to standards after a few years... I "think" I've seen a pic of a Craven with plated over windows in CIÉ livery which would be one of these but not 100% sure. 1509 was damaged in the Belview derailment of 1993 on a GAA special. 1508 herself had a brief further modification in RPSI days, running with a wooden bar (painted by yours truly) in place of four bays of seats at the No.2 end from 2008, but we removed this again when she underwent full restoration over 2012-2015. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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