Murphy Model Craven Buffet Coach

[Sails 48]

no too sure if this is old news but Kernow's announced this morning via facbook

 

"Murphy Models announce a further production of the Craven Buffet Coach, due late October / early November"

 

There site has been update to start accepting pre-orders.

 

Mark

[Railer 443]

Yep, that's the announced 1509, sister coach to 1508.

[Noel 3,891]

Yep, that's the announced 1509, sister coach to 1508.

 

That is more good news. http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/58241/MM1509-Murphy-Models-Cravens-Buffet-Coach-number-1509TL

 

BTW, are 1508 and 1509 not just a snack bar coaches rather than a buffets (i.e. despite Kernow's description)? Both Murphy Models catalog and RPSI refer to 1508 as a 'snack bar' https://www.steamtrainsireland.com/rpsi-collection/38/cravens-snack-car-1508. As far as I recall they didn't have kitchen facilities for hot food.

 

Does anybody have any photos of the inside of 1522 and its kitchen facilities?

 

Happy days with IRM, RPSI and MM releases this winter. There is a lot happening

[WT CLASS 2-6-4T No. 4 11]

It's a nice price too, £57.50 and yes that's sterling.

[WT CLASS 2-6-4T No. 4 11]

I don't think that there ever was a full Cravens dining car, CIE used the 24xx series of dining cars built a the 50s and 60s.

[Junctionmad 57]

I don't think that there ever was a full Cravens dining car, CIE used the 24xx series of dining cars built a the 50s and 60s.

 

wasn't that the point of 1522, when CIE withdraw the last of the 24xx series , they converted the 1522 into a kitchen car

[jhb171achill 3,851]

No Cravens were ever kitchen or bar cars until the RPSI converted two standards.

 

Belatedly, CIE put small food serverys in 1508 / 9. That was all. 1508 saw somewhat more use and the RPSI now has it. 1509 was scrapped.

Edited January 29, 2018 by jhb171achill

[Railer 443]

1508 and 1509 were both converted to snack cars in 1990. 1509 only lasted in this configuration for just under 3 years and was lost to a fire in 1993. 1508 on the other hand has featured in almost every RPSI, ITG and IRRS railtour featuring Cravens since 1990 by request.

 

As a model 1509 covers a very short timeframe, I think only the NIR blue 201s feature a shorter history span.

[jhb171achill 3,851]

1509, yes, not 1507. I stand corrected!

[jhb171achill 3,851]

As a model 1509 covers a very short timeframe, I think only the NIR blue 201s feature a shorter history span.

 

In terms of accurate operation, that makes both very limited indeed, and possibly of greater interest to a collector rather than layout operator.

 

There are other examples - De Dietrichs only for Dublin - Belfast line (albeit over a way longer period), and the light green Belmond 201 being another short lived loco livery.

 

NIR briefly ran a Mk 2 still in BR livery in the 1990s, and some CIE locos acquired the IE "set of points" logo before they got a full repaint in tippex stripes.

 

In one of my books there's a pic showing a loco in filthy Supertrain livery, complete with CIE roundel on the FRONT. On the SIDE there's a "set of points"! I understand that this was extremely short lived as the loco was fully repainted in IE Tippex shortly afterwards.

[Niles 100]

1518 and 1520 were also converted to snack cars around 1986 and reverted to standards after a few years... I "think" I've seen a pic of a Craven with plated over windows in CIÉ livery which would be one of these but not 100% sure. 1509 was damaged in the Belview derailment of 1993 on a GAA special.

 

1508 herself had a brief further modification in RPSI days, running with a wooden bar (painted by yours truly) in place of four bays of seats at the No.2 end from 2008, but we removed this again when she underwent full restoration over 2012-2015.