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Just spotted this in a gateway in Tullamore.

 

Looks like the real thing, but the town has no known connection, unless it was placed there for other reasons. 

 

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Fake.

Had it from someone in the antiques trade, a foundry in New Ross churns out fake signs by the bushel.

Worth 10 or 15 euro, scrap iron value. I wouldn't pay any more for a novelty sign.

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On 6/27/2019 at 9:11 PM, minister_for_hardship said:

Fake.

Had it from someone in the antiques trade, a foundry in New Ross churns out fake signs by the bushel.

Worth 10 or 15 euro, scrap iron value. I wouldn't pay any more for a novelty sign.

Given the performance of the W&KR the fake might be worth more than an original! If I wanted a mocked up sign I would go for something like  the GS&WR, the only reason I can think of for choosing an obscure outfit like this is to add authenticity.

Although I don't recall seeing it before, historic streetview images have present it in 2010. Were it not for the cross head screws I would have made a case that they might have had a yard in Tullamore to hold goods from the DE Williams brewery before moving them by road, rail or canal to Mountmellick/Portlaoise for rail transit to the port of Waterford.

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The modern DIY shop screws do it for me ! Plus there's no weathering or staining around it on what it's fixed to that you'd get if it'd been on there donkey's years..

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I fail to see what the presence of modern screws have to do with anything, it's not like it's fastened to a gate. Whether it's a fake or original - it's obviously not in its original location.

It's not worn enough looking and the edges are far too sharp. 100% fake.

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Well I think we're all agreed that it's a phoney anyway..😉  sure there's loads of these repro 'railway signs' all over fleabay and the like...

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It was a standard GSWR design, used almost only by them. The solitary example of another company using this design that I’m aware of was the T & D.

I know from photos that there were at least 3 or 4 examples. My father photographed one at Castlegregory when he went there just before the line closed. Tralee has another at Basin Halt (I think), and there was one at some level crossing.

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57 minutes ago, gph2000 said:

I'm impressed to see it in Yorkshire too. 

The Yorkshire one is/was here - https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7316522,-0.6725663,3a,75y,339.63h,85.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTGPH1vo-NgE3R4I-xat17w!2e0!5s20100301T000000!7i13312!8i6656 - on this old school building, where the hanging basket thing is, next to the window, but it's appeared after this latest Street View picture (March 2010). The Geograph picture above was taken on September 15th, 2012, so it may well still be there now. The 'fence' in the Geograph picture is actually the open gate...

I was in Hull a few weeks ago and I may go again next year and spend some time at Fort Paull, to see the only remaining Blackburn Beverley, if I get the chance, I might go past and ask them why the sign is there...

 

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Sure I never knew there was a railway tunnel under the Irish sea....

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On 7/1/2019 at 8:48 PM, DERAILED said:

I fail to see what the presence of modern screws have to do with anything, it's not like it's fastened to a gate. Whether it's a fake or original - it's obviously not in its original location.

It's not worn enough looking and the edges are far too sharp. 100% fake.

Indeed; fastenings irrelevant. You could have a dud and a real thing attached to a modern garden gate, by the same screws....

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Spotted this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-STYLE-IRISH-N-W-R-R-RAILWAY-NOTICE-NEWRY-WARRENPOINT-ROSTREVOR/143373840268?hash=item2161bf2f8c:g:QNIAAOSwZH1dbQP8 more intriguing one on eBay tonight. It's the wear/marks etc. on the back that I find interesting but I suspect, as usual. someone has been at it. What does anybody else think? The Newry, Warrenpoint & Rostrevor Railway did exist but...

 

 

 

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Here's another one coming up for sale in a general auction. What company is it supposed to be from?

 

 

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7 hours ago, DERAILED said:

Here's another one coming up for sale in a general auction. What company is it supposed to be from?

 

 

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Most notable by the fact that the E&B R officially changed its name but never actually reached Sligo, the SLNCR prevailing with its route instead. I doubt any were produced in advance of an extension that was not built unless they were used on the original before the sligo portion was abandoned? 

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No this is fake, a 'replica' of a sign that more than likely never existed.  It shares features with other known fakes, tellingly they only show up at car boot sales, garden centres and general antique auctions (always minefields for the uninitiated); never at a specialist auction. 

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Another one which turns up regularly 

 

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But this is my favourite:

 

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And no comment on this one:

 

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19 hours ago, DiveController said:

Most notable by the fact that the E&B R officially changed its name but never actually reached Sligo, the SLNCR prevailing with its route instead. I doubt any were produced in advance of an extension that was not built unless they were used on the original before the sligo portion was abandoned? 

This was a GSWR Inchicore design only. Anything and everything that isn’t GSWR, with a few exceptions, and even a few that do say GSWR, are fakes. Total, lock, stock and barrel, fake.

One exception was the T & D. My father took a picture of one at Castlegregory station when he travelled there by train. I’ve seen a photo of one somewhere in Tralee as well.

I have a distant idea that the WLWR might have got Inchicore to make a few but I am not at all sure. I've never seen a photo or any reliable report of one.

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If I ever get a guinea pig I'll have to get one of these signs - to keep it from being trodden on!

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On 9/11/2019 at 6:41 PM, jhb171achill said:

This was a GSWR Inchicore design only. Anything and everything that isn’t GSWR, with a few exceptions, and even a few that do say GSWR, are fakes. Total, lock, stock and barrel, fake.

One exception was the T & D. My father took a picture of one at Castlegregory station when he travelled there by train. I’ve seen a photo of one somewhere in Tralee as well.

I have a distant idea that the WLWR might have got Inchicore to make a few but I am not at all sure. I've never seen a photo or any reliable report of one.

Agree completely - apart from the GSWR, the T+D and also the Waterford, Dungarvan & Lismore are the only genuine ones that I know of. The WDLR ones were still in situ on that line long after closure and several passed through my hands. Sadly they are also now being forged.

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