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If you are going to use a brass boiler don't forget to get as much weight all around the loco and that includes the rear end as wel. also  if you can get a new motor that will also take a flywheel all the better.

Good luck with the project.

 

Colin Rainsbury

 

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Thanks Colin and Galteemore but I have decided  not to go through as the model was not that great and did not spend enough time researching the engine instead I am going to go a bit crazy by going O and building a C class in original condition and painted blue. O is a big step but if done well will look good so I am going to research The C class an try and find some royal blue. I think the Dargan saloon is in the right shade?

By the way should point out that I am not really a Newbie only that I have messed up quite a lot of times witch has given me lots of experience.

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Two years ago, met a chap at an exhibition who said he was planning to do a kit of a C class, in 7mm scale. Even produce a resin casting of the cab from his pocket. 

 We swopped email addresses, but haven't heard from him since...

 The C class should make a really nice model, because while it looks like a proper main line loco, it is fairly short and will fit a small layout nicely. Plus, they made it to Courtmacsherry, in my mind the perfect branch terminus.

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Really 

The Cs are one of my favorite engines one question I would like to ask everyone and that is how to cut and draw irregular curves.The reason being is that the Cs have a lots of curves and I don't know how to cut them. If someone could help it would b great as I will probably be starting building on Monday as I am getting some brass.

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Have a look at the site I mentioned earlier, MM, and those books may be helpful. A set of French curves will give you templates for most curved shapes. What you could do is draw an outline and photocopy it (assuming you have access to such equipment in your place of confinement). Stick that on a sheet of 10 thou brass and then cut with strong scissors or tinsnips, just outside the drawn line. Then file to shape. This may also be of use...

 

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In many ways, diesels can be harder than steam engines, because of the complex curves. Some aspects are therefore best done from solid - plastic, resin, etc - and lots of gentle filing. Front ends and roofs can certainly come into this category.

 The modern way is 3d printing of course...

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2 hours ago, David Holman said:

In many ways, diesels can be harder than steam engines, because of the complex curves. Some aspects are therefore best done from solid - plastic, resin, etc - and lots of gentle filing. Front ends and roofs can certainly come into this category.

 The modern way is 3d printing of course...

David:

Midland man is planning to build a MGWR C Class 4-4-0 a large Edwardian steam loco not unlike a GER Claud Hamilton rather than a C Class diesel! 

Class C - 5 CROAGH PATRICK - Cusack MGWR Class C 4-4-0 - built 1910 by Broadstone Works - 1924 rebuilt with superheated Belpaire boiler and to MGWR No.26 - 1925 to GSR as No.539, 1935 rebuilt, 1939 rebuilt with bigger boiler, 1945 to CIE - 1952 withdrawn.

 

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Mayner is right.

It is a midland (Irish) C class built by the MGWR in 1915 as the As could not go on the Sligo line as they were too heavy. 

2 hours ago, David Holman said:

Oops! Handsome engine though.

They were but we're very bad prefomers and all were withdrawn by 1959.

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55 minutes ago, Midland Man said:

Mayner is right.

It is a midland (Irish) C class built by the MGWR in 1915 as the As could not go on the Sligo line as they were too heavy. 

They were but we're very bad prefomers and all were withdrawn by 1959.

There is a totally different account of Cs (D6 & D7) performance by Jack O'Neill and Drew Donaldson in a "Decade Of Steam in the Fifties" an RPSI paperback published in the early 70s, where they are described as free steaming but rough riding engines.

Jack O'Neill describes firing 540 on the Up Galway mail from Mullingar to Dublin and calls them "fine mainline steeds".

Drew describes D6 543 'doing well" with the Claddagh Express in 1953 (a forerunner of the Cu-na-Mara diesel trains) exceeding 70 down Woodlawn bank and knocking 3 minutes off the schedule between Ballinasloe & Athlone with a max of 67½mph and similar exploits with 538 on an up Sligo Night Mail in 1950 and 536 on a Limerick-Dublin train (via Nenagh) in 1939.

The poor performing assessment of Midland 4-4-0s appears to have been made by Inchacore engineering staff who were familiar with GSWR loco practice and distrustful of the works of Broadstone, following the introduction of the AEC railcars there was very little work for large 4-4-0s on the Midland system, the majority of Midland and GSWR large 4-4-0s were withdrawn within the same timeframe (1953-1959).

Personally the odd thing is that nothing appears to have been done to reduce their rough riding, though the Woolwich Moguls had a similar reputation.

 

 

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Yes, must check the ref when I’m at my library later, but Colin Boocock’s ‘Irish Railway Album’ echoes the rough riding. He singles out a footplate run on a D5 or D6 as a rather unpleasant experience, and he was glad to get off!  
 

Should the new RPSI mogul appear, it will be interesting to see how it performs. Similar criticisms were made about their riding on the Derry Road, which seems to have favoured deep-framed locos.

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