Gavin Hamilton

A question for those knowledgable about coaches - I've seen b&w photographs of the Ballymena & Larne 'boat train' coaches as running on the Ballycastle line with the corridor 'blanks' lettered LMS NC but I don't know what colour it was, I wonder if it may have been gold to match the lettering in the livery?

Regards

Gavin

Certainly Balleyboley Junction but I think the photograph was taken from the watertank as the light coloured debris on the ground by the loco marks where signal cabin had stood.

Gavin

30 minutes ago, airfixfan said:

Boyd is very reliable and his book Saga on rail Ireland with many great photos and details is well worth tracking down. He was there and on the Ballycastle line in March 1950. Wonder who has his photo archive? Do you have the book on the Coey/Cowie brothers? It has photos by Jim Jarvis who visited the NCC lines including the BRCB in 1935 and 1939.

I've found Boyd a reliable source though there is at least one person (very active on FB - with a false name) who is very vocal with his criticism (I won't be glorifying this idiot, I was told his real name and the fact he is a prick)

No idea where his archive might be. I've never heard of the Coey/Cowie brothers though the book sounds interesting so finding a copy should be worth a look. Going off at a tangent - does anyone collect/possess NCC 'working timetables'? These could be interesting, especially for what might have run after the end of passenger sevices, timetables only get a very vague mention in the Patterson books.

Regards

Gavin

Typical - answered one part of the question and only realised I'd missed the rest of it after I pressed transmit I have no idea who has the Coakham Archive but if I was to speculate I'd suggest who might know, and this is a wild guess - try Charles Friel - and if it isn't please accept my apologies.

Gavin

3 hours ago, airfixfan said:

Must track that issue down. There are photos of 113 on the goods train at Ballyclare in the summer of 1945 by Des Coakham. Who has his photo archive? According to Scott's book 110 was scrapped by mid 1946. Yet in JIC Boyd's book he visited the line in March 1950 and describes finding a compound tank being scrapped. Was this 110? Books also contain errors one shows 42 at Ballycastle in 1950 but it is actually 41! Another photographer has 42 on the Ballycastle line and at Larne both in May 1950!

I had been wondering the same thing, without a photograph we are left assuming that the loco being scrapped was 110. Book captions can leave a lot to be desired :), there is one of 113 hauling a load of side tipping wagons from Larne Harbour towards the NG town station, one caption suggests 'unknown MR tipper wagons' for the bauxite traffic to BAC at Larne but if you dig a bit more the wagons were BAC stock and I assume whatever they contained was going somewhere to be tipped (waste). If I'm really at a dead end (probably soon if the madness continues) I might go through the wagon photos to attempt to work out a number range for the Hoppers

Regards

Gavin

2 hours ago, airfixfan said:

Thanks that's one I have not seen before. From what I can gather the last goods train ran when the Paper Mill closed in May 1950. Was kept in Larne with 113 of which photos are scarce after 1945?

Lacking in total confidence, it shared the shed with 110 (which was still 'red' in June 1945 according to an article by Desmond Coakham in Railway Bylines May2004, but the passengers didn't have the nerve to ask 113's crew to pull 110 out for photographs) 13th June 1945, given that 113 had a reputation for being 'slippery', 110 (unused for about 4 years) must have been even worse - the only 'action' shots of 110 are all as a shunter at Larne Harbour so I suspect it would have had issues climbing the bank out of Larne - or it had been tried and the general opinion was 'never again'

Gavin

1 hour ago, Broithe said:

I worked in 'British industry' from the mid-70s until 1993, when I realised that, after years of 'outsourcing', I actually had better facilities for my 'home office' jobs at home.

Any refurbishment activity, particularly in production areas, was always viewed, and mostly correctly, with deep suspicion.

Shortly afterwards 'they' would often take a 'difficult decision'*.

I'm sure we must have actually knocked down places with the paint still wet...

 

* More difficult for those that were actually affected, of course.

Sounds similar to my 35 years experience in the IT industry, India would demand a major change be done 'NOW' and if we read the email trail in full they had been planning the event for the last 6 months but just hadn't got round to informing us - I was very relieved to discover that I had put enough into my pension fund so I could afford to retire - no payoff of course, the bigwigs just wanted to save money which would go on their bonus and the unions were not interested in 'constructive dismissal' cases either - don't expect a long service award if your ultimate employer is a corporation based in the USA - just glad i'm not dependent on them anymore

Gavin

15 minutes ago, airfixfan said:

Did 42 get repainted in UT livery or is this just another urban myth?

There is a photograph in the Mike Morant collection, taken in Larne NG shed,  showing UT livery.

Gavin

There is a very old joke this side of the Irish Sea that the painters usually arrived a couple of weeks before closure though I think reliverying a locomotive after it had made it's last run in service is going a bit far - maybe the copy of the final closure notice hadn't reached the painters in the case of #42

Gavin

7 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

That one seems to have never acquired UTA livery, unlike 44 (which looked very well with the UTA lining; latterly, the NCC painted narrow gauge engines plain black with no lining, but still an LMS crest...).

Very handsome engines......

Looks like it did get the UTA livery, the colour photograph of it (#43) in Ballymoney yard after closure shows the 'UTA symbol' (not sure of the term) on the Tank side - #42 was reliveried in Larne Shed after it had last run

Gavin

I'd certainly be interested to see the picture of the compound tank heading north out of Ballymena. I got  a nice picture of #43 still lettered NCC with the LMS crest on the cab side in the yard at Ballymoney, dated March 1950, from Charles Friel collection (E.M.Patterson photo)

Regards

Gavin

I checked the Mid Antrim Narrow Gauge book and I found 2 published pictures of the 0-6-0T's and 6 of the Cushandall 0-4-2T's north of Ballymena but none of an S class on that line, I've only seen one leaving Ballymena for Parkmore so this might be the only photograph seen. It looks like the BCRBR is a very rarely photographed line and having checked the closure dates against what could have been in service there must have been an S class over the whole length of the line, even hauling track removal trains when it closed

Gavin

42 minutes ago, Irishswissernie said:

I only purchased 2 lots covering Bundoran, Enniskillen and the SLNCR and also a Lot covering Waterford , Cork and the CBSC all early 1950's. I believe all the rest bar 1 lot covering the Belfast area ca1950 have been purchased by  a Syndicate with the intention off passing them on to the IRRS. 

It is possible that the Ballymena -Red Bay negs may not have been auctioned yet. There is a further Auction in the Autumn once we have got rid of the 'Lurgi'

Loads of stuff in your collection that interests me such as the Callander & Oban line - my Great Uncle (and possibly even earlier ancestors) was a driver on this line

Gavin

The 'Lurgi' is holding up a load of things at the moment! Thanks, hopefully something does surface.

Gavin

Hopefully they might be able to assist

Gavin

Any idea where the pictures are held now?

Gavin

Thanks, I guessed that at least one person might have, at least, seen such activity, but cameras were less common in those days - just need to invent a Tardis

Hi all,

I'm interested to know if there are any photographs of an S class in action on the Ballymena, Cushendall and Red Bay line anywhere other than departing Ballymena in a Northerly Direction?

 I've never seen one but I know this doesn't mean none exist

Regards

Gavin

1 minute ago, Midland Man said:

The derail is amazing @Gavin Hamilton

What engines are you going to build and is a garden railway?

Building an appropriate loco is probably beyond my abilities (I did build, from a kit, an HO scale South African Railways 19D 4-8-2 many years ago), so I've ordered a 15mm scale (gauge 1) S class from John Campbell (Electric power, sound card fitted, Radio control) we (John & I) discussed this last week and agreed that Live steam was not the route to go. I have a very small garden but a local Railway Society has a Garden Railway track that I hope to use (I'm an active member with a Steam Loco 'driving licence') so I hope to run it there and have already had an invite to run it at another track that a friend runs his train at

Gavin

2 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

Cracking stuff - the old Larne boat train coaches? Would have loved a trip over Ballyboley Hill in those!!

Yes, beyond my abilities to build but perfect for a train hauled by an S  class, I'm not sure who originally built them but I purchased them (pre owned/second hand) from John Campbell. I now need proper boxes to carry them in + the loco when it eventually arrives

Gavin

The 15mm scale Ballycastle line train completed and waiting for the S class to arrive, I need a bigger table Still, assuming I can find the correct paint, a few tweeks to the vacuum and steam heat pipes on the van.

Got a very fast response from Weddell Media, try them again later in the year when we are back to the 'new normal', which wasn't a total no, so if available I'll purchase the box set, unless someone has one they can copy for me ?

Gavin

Found the contact details for the producers of the series, which confirms it is the program I'd seen so am now waiting to hear if they sell it on DVD.

Gavin

I eventually found the email address for TG4 to enquire but I had to put my county down as 'other' to complete the form, whether I will hear anything back from them?

I'll do some digging for Iarnrod Uladh to see if this is what I'd seen originally, if It's in Gaelic I'm stuffed, I can just about follow French but..

Gavin

Can't remember the series title, without the title a search is difficult