Keano30

Hello everyone,

Just a general question for you. Does anyone know if its possible to change the F14 & 15 station announcements? If its possible could you let me know how to change them please. Reason I ask is that I am modelling the Dublin to Waterford line and currently the station announcements are either for Cork, Galway etc. None for Waterford branch or at least my DCC sound chips don't have it for Kilkenny / Waterford etc.

22 hours ago, Noel said:

Same body removal technique as the original models. 

1. Leave the walkway rails on, just temporarily unclip for both cab ends
2. Pinch body sides with wooden sticks (eg ice cream sticks or the outside edge of wooden cloths pegs) to lever body upwards enough to get a thin flat screen driver underneath see send pic below. If you're careful you won't damage or dislodge the walkway rails and they'll clip back into both cabs once there are back on.
3. Leave the cab that is connected to the body at the grill end connected to the body centre piece as it is removed, the other cab end slides up and off easily
4. Just keep gently but firmly pinching the sides until you create a 1 or 1/2mm gap between the body and walkway, and then gentle lever up at each end until it can be pulled free by hand. 
5. When putting the body back on get the cabs the same way around and the body centre section of the ladder fits into the walkway holes.
6. Once off just remove the 21-pin blanking plate and install the 21-pin decoder
7. Then suggest off to test track to program the decoders address (eg 147 or 185). Test the loco runs ok before putting the body back on.

 

 

PS: The loco is supplied with a built in speaker so you won't have to solder a speaker to the PCB like the original production run from 2008.

Thank you Noel I’ll give that try later this evening. Much appreciated for your tips

Update: Yep that worked but it took a small screw driver under the cab to move the clips that hold the body to the chassis. Squeezing didn't work at all. By placing a flat head screw driver against the orange clips and twisting the screw driver slightly it moved the clips enough for them to disengage from the chassis.  

On 6/4/2024 at 6:21 PM, WRENNEIRE said:

On the subject of the 141/181's there are 9 models
2 x B&T, 2 X S/T 2 X IE & 3 X IR
Looking at the IR models I see that 2 are in "proper" IR livery and the 3rd one, 174sa is
the transitional one, old Supertrain livery with tippex stripes and IR logo
Very clever Mr Murphy.

Got my one today and its just beautiful. 

One question, has anyone tried to get the body off yet? I read the instructions and did as they said but to no joy. I'm afraid I'll break the loco if i squeeze it too hard. Has anyone got any tips on how to get the body off, I'm trying to install the 21pin DCC chip.

1 hour ago, Ironroad said:

Taking the legal route is long and arduous and probably pointless in China.  It seems to me that to satisfy an order of a given number of models a factory will most likely overproduce as a contingency against the probability of seconds, but the fact is that much of this overproduction will probably be perfect.  What happens next is the grey area. The factory may be negligent in controlling this stock and it walks out the back door or they are complicit with another entity who sell it on on eBay.

So logically some arrangement should be in place with the factory on the disposal of any overproduction.  But this is still dependent on the diligence and ethics of those at the factory.  

If I were in Paddy's shoes, I would have a go at eBay and request that they cease facilitating the sale of illicit products.  

 

 

"If I were in Paddy's shoes, I would have a go at eBay and request that they cease facilitating the sale of illicit products"I

Good luck with dealing with eBay. I have had an issue like this previously and eBay washed their hands and didn't want to know. Since then I never buy anything from eBay and would recommend to everyone not to buy from eBay. There is such a lack of action on their part when issues are highlighted to them. 

Also don't bother with the cops because all they will say is its a Civil issue and they can do nothing about it.

9 hours ago, ttc0169 said:

https://westhillwagonworks.com/

Yes-donated and altered by a good friend-a similar van was used in the 1980s for moving mail bags from Claremorris to Ballina and visa versa off the night mail train to Westport 

Which couplings in particular did you use Noel?

Got this sign made for the layout. I think it was reasonably priced @ €20. It’s a aluminium sheet quite thin and light. 
 

https://www.etsy.com/ie/listing/1597160653/custom-metal-street-sign-personalized?click_key=47a453e2713de9a9289f1ca6025b08e76ed60b0f%3A1597160653&click_sum=1f03e92b&external=1&ref=hp_opfy-1-1&pro=1&sts=1

7 hours ago, David Holman said:

Feel sure somebody used to do a working model of a gantry crane, though it wasn't cheap.

Ah Yes  David Faller have a variant of the cranes and they cost €415 for the static version but if you want it running add another €386 so not cheap at all. I found them on their website last night 

13 minutes ago, Kevin Sweeney said:

Scalescenes have a gantry crane kit.

T032 Gantry Crane – Scalescenes

Wow thank you Kevin this is excellent. 

I have a question for you all. I'll be ready to lay track on my layout shortly and I intend starting with Belview port. My question is, does anyone know where I'd pickup some Gantry Cranes as Belview has two of them and I will eventually need some models of these cranes?

On 16/2/2024 at 12:23 PM, Warbonnet said:

Hi everyone,

We have done up a wee formation guide on these to give you some idea on traction and set up!

Cheers!

Fran 

This is excellent, as a relatively new modeler I'd love to see more of these for the Goods , Containers and Tara Mines formations etc etc.. I find these to be invaluable when making up my trains for my layout. 

Wow you've done a great job  on the baseboards there. I look forward to seeing the track down and some trains running shortly. 

2 hours ago, derek said:

Hi Diarmuid, I'm confused . (what's new, says you). Is this the same layout from your other, more recent thread, "looking for collaboration etc..."? Just wondering..... 

No its new, I'm now able to incorporate Kilkenny, Thomastown, Sally Park, Waterford and Belview. The line runs around the attic on the perimeters now. 

On 24/4/2023 at 11:03 PM, Daniel said:

Looks like somewhere between RAL 3003 to RAL3005. See attached for Industry Standard  RAL Colour Chart

or you could look at this site.

https://ral-colours.co.uk/ral-classic-colours/red-shades/

On 21/10/2023 at 8:50 PM, tonybonneyba said:

I'm just tooling with the idea of adding station announcements of the future layout / diorama, would anyone have any tips on going around this?

 

Previously, I've used a cheap Bluetooth speaker from ASDA in a paper bus, but looking at different options.

 

 

I've came across this, it's good but I feel the voices are too generated / text-to-speech, plus, if going by the demo, it's missing Irish / Northern Irish stations.

As much as I like the Bluetooth speaker & it worked for that layout, I would recommend it, but still have a desire to try other methods.

Tips & tricks much appreciated!

where can we find this? 

1 minute ago, jhb171achill said:

Couple of hours will do that.............................................!!!

lol if only lol

5 minutes ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

Did you take up all the baseboards from last year?

Yes i did, some of those have been recycled into the new baseboards. I'm 50% of the way through the build of the boards, only 14 or so more boards to build. 

3 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

A layout design like this is nothing short of pure genius. Never have i seen any layout design with the amount of protypically realistic operational possibilities that this has. Just off the top'o'me head, and not counting the numerous GAA and pilgrimage specials, and depending what era you're representing, here are a few. Even in the modern era there are as many possibilities as the modern railway system actually has, bar the Dart!

GOODS

1. Beet. This will originate in the fiddle yard (FY), turn right when it leaves and run (laden, from Wellington Bridge) through Belview, Waterford (WD), and Thomastown (TT), and end up back in the fiddle yard, as it's going to Mallow, not KK. Of course, due to track work at "Clonmel", nothing to stop you routing it through KK, where it'll have run round - do a circuit and go back into FY.

2. Containers. FY - TT - WD - BV, return as well.

3. Timber. Laden FY - TT - WD - BV; empty return.

4. Depending on era, loose-coupled goods KK - TT - WD (Sallypark or Belview can equate to the old east and west goods sidings).

5. Loose coupled New Ross Goods. Runs WD - off past BV to the FY.

6. Wexford goods via Rosslare Strand (1963-76) - same as above.

7.  Pre-1963, the New Ross / Palace East / Macmine Junction mixed. Green and grey era - steam loco or filthy A or C, with one old green coach, a few vans, and a goods brake van.

 

PASSENGER

1. Waterford - Dublin express. Leaves WD, then TT, KK, and reverses there. A circuit of the layout in the other direction and it will come back into the FY, which of course is Dublin.

2. Waterford - Limerick Junction - Limerick. WD - passes S'Park - circuit round the layout - FY.

3. Pre-1967 (black'n'tan!) "Rosslare Express". This ran from Cork, via Mallow & Fermoy, to WD and on to Rosslare. Usually a 141 with maybe 4 coaches and a van or two. So this will go FY - WD - on through, past BV, and back to FY.

4. Limerick - Rosslare (1967-2002) train. Initially up to 5 or 6 coaches, latterly a 2-car 2800, or a 141 plus two Park Royals. This will follow the same route on your layout as th Rosslare Express above.

5. Waterford - Rosslare harbour local. On the layout, WD - BV - FY.

6. Pre 1963 local passenger train over the North Wexford line. Same as above.

This design you've arrived at presents probably the best set of prototypical operational possibilities that i have ever seen.

Even in a comparatively modern era, you've as much variety as the Variety Monster could throw a Variety Stick at.

If you're in the loose-coupled goods era, you'll have at any one time maybe two pilot engines in Sallypark and possibly a third shunting at Belview. These will inevitably be 141s. If, however, you expand pre-1963, and you've the Mallow and North Wexford routes as well, you're going to have 00 Works J15s, which monopolised beet in those days, were seen on goods and special passenger trains too, and until about 1961 provided power on the New Ross / Macmine branch too.

Even in the very modern era, both 071s and 201s on timber and containers (to some railwaymen, the "Sticks" and the "Boxes". You'll have Mk 3's - both PP and hauled types, and Mk 2s, hauled by 201s or 071s or pairs of 121 / 141. Beet will have just about anything; 071, 121, 141, 181, and not forgetting NIR's 112. You can put a 2-car 2800 on the Rosslare, and the Dublin and Limerick Jct will be 4-car and 3-car ICRs.

Go to the 1960s - and the variety in stock is massive. Main line services to Dublin will be a motley mix of Cravens, laminates, Park Royals and the odd Bredin - and until about 1965 thgere will be the odd green one amongst the black'n'tan sets. Locos will be 141s, or after 1972, re-engined "A"'s. Even B101s will appear, almost certainly only on the Cork - Mallow - Fermoy - Waterford goods, maybe the Rosslare Express the odd time. In contrast, the Macmine branch will have an elderly timber-bodied carriage, still green, a brand new tin van, and either an old "C" or a (steam) J15.

And don't forget the AEC railcars. When IRM announce their RTR ones next week (sez he, hopefully!) quite simply, it will be impossible to credibly model main line passenger in the 1953-64 period without any of these. During that period these were to be seen on ALL the lines radiating out of Waterford, bar Mallow which seems always to have been loco-hauled. From Waterford to Limerick, to Dublin via either Athy or Abbeyleix, on the North Wexford and the Rosslares. If and when these do become available to purchase, I'll certainly want a few; and they'd be perfect for this layout too.

 

OTHER

1. GAA specials

2. Knock specials

3. Ballast (J15s right to the end of steam, which as far as Waterford was concerned, was January 1963).

 

LOCOS AND ROLLING STOCK WITH REALISTIC USAGE IN VARIOUS PERIODS

1. 1950s - 1963

J15s - Beet, ballast, shunting, North Wexford branch

461 - occasional visits from DSER side

121 / 141 / 181 - absolutely everything. Black'n'tan liveries, plus light grey for 121s initially.

"A" class - Coming in from Mallow, Limerick Junction and Kilkenny directions, and beet. Silver, green, early blacl'n'tan and all-black variants.

"C" class - North Wexford line (silver, green, early black'n'tan and all- black)

B101 - Coming in from the Mallow direction, and continuing to Rosslare. Goods and passenger; silver, green, all black and early black'n'tan.

Wooden carriages - bogie and six-wheel - Macmine Jct branch.

Bredins / Park Royals* / Laminates*, with tin vans* and older 6-wheel full van brakes, plus old wooden bogie van brakes - green, also older green still on vans, black'n'tan (and silver on some of those marked *)

Loose coupled wagons, mostly wooden bodied opens but with Bullieds appearing increasingly. Standard CIE brake vans, possiby an old GSWR one on the North Wexford mixed. Yes - possibilities for MIXED trains on this layout too. All wagons grey, without exception; but the uniformity there is made up for by the massive variety above!

 

2. 1963 - 1972

Steam gone. All diesels either all-black or black'n'tan. All carriages same, though a few green ones linger till late 60s.

With the closure of the North Wexford, mixed trains and six-wheelers are gone too, as are the last older GSWR goods brakes. I think the pair used on the Loughrea and Castleisland lines were by far the last, in use until about 1974./5.

121, 141 & 181 classes monopolise passenger, with the odd "A", especially when re-engined, coming in from Dublin.

B101s rarely seen - usually just ballast.

Container wagons appear, as well as cement vans, back-to-backs, and after 1970s foir variety, the brown livery starts to appear. Older wooden-bodied goods vans almost if not literally all disappear by around 1971.

Cement bubbles appear!

 

3. Modern Times

After 1972, Mk 2 coaches start to appear on Dublin trains, but Limerick Jct and Rosslares will remain with laminates and Park Royals. Bredins gone by about 1973, last old wooden coaches from this area probably about 1969. Some Dublin trains are Cravens too - I recall a journey about 1975 in a set of mixed laminates, a tatty-looking Park Royal and Cravens with a 24xx dining car.

After mid-1980s, Mk 3s appear.

After 1976, loose-coupled goods is gone, and it's all containers. CIE bought loads of them in packs of three from IRM.

Modern 4-wheel fitted wagons of various types, and fertiliser bogies appear. Guinness and Fert specials up to New Ross!

After 1976/7, 071s appear.

Later, 2800s and ICRs.

 

Ooooooh boy.

 

Thanks again Jonathan, I appreciate the compliment. Now all I have to do is build it lol. 

Well I've changed the layout yet again but this time I think I got something I am happy with. I'm half way through the rebuild of the baseboards. Can't wait to start laying tracks.

Just now, Noel said:

Agree. As far as I know they will have a speaker but same lighting arrangement as original run (ie no separate headlights), alas no easy decoder access hatch. Its hard to improve on what was almost perfection back in 2008.

As regards the decoders for these, what decoder is used for them? Is there any available?

On 15/1/2024 at 10:10 PM, Patrick Davey said:

I think the beach is largely finished.  An important scenic tip is to use as much colour variety as possible, especially with scatter material, so adding some darker and thicker material has helped the image of the shoreline I think.  It also gives the impression of a buildup of seaweed although I might develop this further using black thread and PVA glue.

A lot of the details here are from the excellent Scale Model Scenery range, they can be a bit fiddly but are worth the patience and effort because they are very fine and make a big difference.  The deck chairs in particular produced some innovative swear words, but overall I’m happy with the result.  There isn’t enough room to employ resin to represent the sea but the sand is actual sand from the real Clogherhead beach

Just fantastic, it’s so realistic I love it. It’s inspiring to look at. 

2 hours ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

Fair dues to Hattons, still keeping customers happy, this arrived today so I can continue

 

When did you order them? I ordered from Hattons on the day of the announcement and I'm still waiting for my delivery!

1 hour ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Aside from asking @WRENNEIRE, you could get yourself a Replica Railways B4 bogie, a Bachmann B4 bogie, or ask Murphy Models or IRM if they'll be selling their new B4 bogies as spares.

Almost sure the @BosKonay said that the IRM / Accurascale B4 bogies won't be available, YET, as they have integrated pick-ups and wiring for the coach lighting, but am open to correction.

Thank you. I've already sent a message to MM, just waiting on a reply. I'll give IRM a shout too. 

Any know where I'd get a bogie for MKII 5102 carriage's? I broke  the original one when i was trying to change out the coupling for a Kadee.

22 hours ago, Flying Snail said:

Some sad news announced today by Hattons

https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail?id=1498

I for one will miss them - they really did a lot to try to support Irish customers post Brexit and I thought their trunk was a great service!

Totally agree, I have ordered lots from them over the years and even today I placed my last order for some bits and pieces. I was chatting to them on whattsapp and they said to me it will be a gradual close down.