Jb1911

Was there many bogie wagons used in Ireland? I know a few, more specifically was there any used on the MGWR, other then the Bretland of course. I’ve read there were single bolster timber wagons aswell. Was wondering if anyone had more information on these? 
 

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On 19/4/2022 at 12:52 PM, 2996 Victor said:

Question time. Was a wall at the rear of the platform, to keep the goods shed road "safe", a common feature?

Was seen in a good few spots across the midlands to the best of my knowledge 

Picture showing the signal boxes older windows which will he what I model. 
 

Taken in 1977 

3 minutes ago, Garfield said:

I just happen to have this in my collection - from later CIE years so it doesn't include the turnouts for the shed or the cattle bank, but may be of use for the arrangement of signals:

 

I walk by the goods shed in Moate a few times a week and I keep meaning to measure it for my own purposes, but haven't got around to doing it yet.

That’s fantastic mate . 
 

That’s just what I needed. Thanks  

There were a good few signals in moate. A couple on the Athlone side and even more on the Mullingar side. Now I’ve sourced a basis for my signals, a peco model, so I’ve that done. 
 

Theres a picture up of the inside of the signal box and I’ll attach it here incase it’s of use to anyone. It does show the workings of moates box very well. 
 

And then back onto the goods shed. I have a few images to go off and the building has had no major changes in its lifetime but no drawings or numbers which isn’t ideal. You would wonder why there was no standard design at the time. Anyone hardly has drawings of the shed? And while I’m at it has anyone any drawings of the water tower. That’s what I’ll have to tackle next 

4 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

If you wanted a small goods shed, the little red brick ones used on the MGWR at many locations would a suitable model and easy to make. They had a standard design though varying details. The ones at Attymon & Dunsandle spring to mind but there were loads more of the type. From memory they were usually about 18 feet X 12 feet or thereabouts.

Thanks jhb. I know the type of shed your on about and I don’t think it’s entirely accurate for Moate 

The goods shed in moate is a big one. Seriously it’s massive compared to the rest of the station. Used by the golf club now but I can’t think of anything that would represent this building in oo gauge. 
 

 
 
you can clearly see it’s a unique building so I’d imagine I’ll have to scratch build it? Not having anything to go off is abit dodgy and might not be great in the long term. I was wondering if anyone has even an idea of something that may work for it? 
 

On an earlier point about signalling of course there is little representation of the midlands signalling in oo gauge. 
Don’t you love modelling in Ireland

20 minutes ago, Mayner said:

Moate Cabin looks like the original dating from the 1890s with modern replacement windows

Post Civil War MGW Cabins were generally built on a "Rockfaced" concrete block base, the eaves overhang on the post Civil War cabins appears larger and the roof pitch shallower.

Rockfaced concrete blocks possibly manufactured by Moracrete an Irish owned a public works and civil engineering company that appears to have carried out post Civil War infrastructure re-building work.

The Peco/Ratio Platform/Ground Level Signal Box appears to be to a similar design https://peco-uk.com/products/platform-ground-level-signal-box.

The Ratio model is based on Highley Signal Box an 14 Level McKenzie and Holland Box dating from the 1880s

Signal box superstructures were basically modular in nature.

Two Ratio Cabins could be combined on a brick base (Wills Scenic Materials) to provide an additional window bay and form the larger 24 lever Cabin used at Moate.

Similar cabins were also used on the WLWR including some on timber (Listowel, Abbeyfeale) and some on brick (Tubbercurry) bases

 

Ah I see. I must have misinterpreted that but of information 

Something like this ratio kit of a McKenzie and Holland signal box might be abit better 

7 hours ago, seagoebox said:

Jb1911... I know this is slightly outside your time period ( it is from the Railway Gazette series of articles dated December 1930) featuring the singling of double track by the GSR on the former MGWR section between 1927 & 1930.

The diagrams show the layout post-singling if you decided to go for that option !

If you want any other MGWR stations let me know, the Railway Gazette diagram covers from Clonsilla to Inny Junction, Mullingar to Ballinasloe  and Athlone to Roscommon.

Thanks. This is a small bit outside of the time frame but having the track plan for things like the sidings is no harm for me anyways. I actually have the track plans needed for moate. 
 

4 hours ago, Northroader said:

The Railway Signalling Co did a lot of work for the GS&WR and the MGWR following the Regulation of the Railways Act. The Alphagaphix kit for Foynes signal box would make a nice base to work from.

Hi mate thanks for getting in touch. I don’t think the foynes signal box is entirely accurate to moates signal box which I have attached a picture of below. However you’ve got me thinking about the signal box I’m assuming that since it has the brick base which implies post civil war but still had the outside ladder which is more from before the civil war, I’m now wondering about the history of the signal box and whether it was overhauled around the time I’m modelling and if it was different in the 1920 or so period. 1915-1925 to be exact. 
 

although I have found no real records of any incident happening in the station it does seem quite likely with the incidents that happened during the civil war next door in Streamstown and if some of that carried over to moate. 
 

Anything is again appreciated and I’d love the insight of some of the more historically knowledgeable people in the forum. Make my life a lot easier. 
Thanks in advance 

jb 

Right signals. I’ve found almost no published information on signalling. I know most signal boxes were damaged or destroyed during the civil war and were replaced with the stone/brick base signal boxes. And that most signals were done by McKenzie and Holland. Other then that I haven’t much 

So the usual then I’m wondering if anyone does? Midland signals around 1915-1925 on the main line. Moate station seems like a good one with all its buildings still fully intact. Apart from some parts of the station but it’s 90% there really. It’s centred between Athlone and Mullingar and near streamstown and Castletown. Goods traffic coming through from the Streamstown - Clara line is another thing I can add with moate. Big market town and a lot of information published from when the surveys were done while the cycle track was being done. 
Now a lot of that will be the likes of traffic from the 1960s which won’t be ideal however the traffic can’t have changed much. 

2 hours ago, Galteemore said:

This looks very much like a J26 on the main line, with a fairly hefty train behind….

Perfect this gives me an excuse

Thanks everyone for help and advice. I don’t have as much time as I would like I’m currently I’m quite occupied with exams and I mainly only can do small bits of modelling at a time. I’ve been thinking of modelling one of the smaller stations on the mgwr and I think I might have a look at maybe Moate or Castletown with both being on the Mullingar to Athlone line. I think this would give abit of leverage to me to work with. The J26s hardly worked the line? I think I seen someone say they didn’t but they are branchline engines so I wasn’t sure. I suppose mullingar to Athlone wasn’t really a branchline and I’ve no doubt with the wealth of knowledge on this forum that someone will confirm if they did or didn’t. I’ve tried to find pictures or diagrams of the single bolster timber wagons to no avail. I was wondering if anyone had pictures or diagrams of them. 

A real driving force for me to model the MGWR was some of its locomotives. In particular the classes Bs and Ls. I like 0-6-0s and in general the Irish classes were different to what you could find across the pond in England. I have a wealth of drawings of most engines however I haven’t been able to get my hands on any real working drawings of the B class. I understand a lot of records have been lost but was wondering if anyone has anything like that it would be greatly appreciate. 
 A man can only dream of a simple solution to the lack of 6 wheel carriages that’s similar to the midland versions. 
Anyways I’m calling it quits for the night now. Any reply’s are greatly appreciated as always

JB 

Thanks for the amount of support this quickly the amount of knowledge on this forum is invaluable. I have Ernie shepherds book on the midland and that’s been a great help. But I’ve been wondering about other railway stock and if it would have often been seen on the midland e.g GSWR coaches being interchanged with MGWR ones. Also aside from the obvious cattle trains what types of goods were carried on the MGWR. I’d assume coal and the other basics to run a railway, but I’m just wandering what would have been carried on open wagons and the like. 
Again thanks for the responses 

Jb1911 

I’m thinking more oo gauge as that’s what I have. It’s not entirely accurate with the scale and that sort of thing but I’m fine with that. Thanks for the suggestions 

Hi all.

Over the past few months I’ve been researching the old Midland and Great Western railway and I have gathered a lot of information. I’ve decided to model a small mainline station on the railway and I’m wondering about the availability of models from the 1910-1925 odd time period. I’m relatively new to the modelling scene in Ireland and I’m wondering where I can buy models. I’ve never given kit building much thought as it’s never really worked for me in the past (that’s just my fault). I’m just looking for some information on who would sell midland engines and wagons or what British rolling stock and locomotives I could convert to represent their Irish counterparts. 
All replies welcome-

Jb1911