MGWR110Bat

19 minutes ago, Andy Cundick said:

The loco is probably an SSM kit as it is in its original state,i  ha d to modify mine to its 1930s condition.As to the standards for wheels and tracks  i don't understand why people immediately assume 21mm gauge has to be to P4 standards ,i've been modelling using 21mm gauge to EM standards for last 40 years with no problems,  as for axles for the drivers i use 1/8" steel bar cut to length with the ends squared up with a file,its around an 12" long depending on the depth of the bossfor pin point wagon axles its 2mm steel rod put in a drill and the point ground on old bit of grinding or a file, 21mm w irons are avaliable from SSM and Priclkey Pear or you can just widen MJT ones coach bogies are eay just use the MJT  compenstated coach bogies.As for rolling stock the problem with regaugeing British stock is usually they are narrower best to start  off with perhaps a couple of MGW convertibles from SSM,its a fact of life that manufacturers seem on the hole to ignore the 100 years of Irish railway history .If you want a quickie loco conversion  then if you havn't done it before then a Jinty may be your best bet nice and simple though not very appropriate Hope this helps Andy. 

Cheers Andy - Much appreciated. I did wonder whether it may be possible to model 21mm to EM standards, heretical though that may be to some people. Obviously the loco we have here has been made to P4 standards so we'll see what happens. I'm definitely planning to do a Jinty conversion of some sort as it's relatively cheap and gives me a starting point.

There are a few other 0-6-0s that I'm contemplating doing too - I don't know whether they are viable conversions in the eyes of people here, but I'm thinking about an M&GWR B from a Bachmann GCR J11 and a GNR A from a Bachmann SECR C.

I expect my approach to all of this may not be satisfactory to most other 21mm modellers, who clearly aspire to much higher standards than I do, but I want to give this a shot even if my first steps are a bit crude and lacking in finesse and accuracy.

My main aim at the moment is to try and get a couple of basic, not necessarily accurate, items of stock and pieces of track made so my partner has something to run with their new loco. Then I want to try and get a few more accurate bits done when time and money allow and eventually if I have the skills I can consider etched kits and scratchbuilding in brass.

46 minutes ago, J-Mo Arts said:

I believe the P4 society or whoever makes P4 parts also make 21mm gauge wheelsets. 

That would figure - Time to get searching!

46 minutes ago, J-Mo Arts said:

I've seen Fowler 4Ps as jeeps in 00 gauge, not 21mm. I think you might be looking at a whole new chassis at that point given the cylinders/valve gear! 

I think that may be likely - Shelve that project for now methinks, or do it as a 16.5mm model.

3 minutes ago, Killian Keane said:

You wont be able to regauge 00 stock as if thats 21mm gauge it'll be to P4 standard, the flanges are much finer and the whole wheel and track standards are different (vastly superior) to 00

I am aware of this, but surely there is at least some potential if one utilises new wheelsets? People regauge 16.5mm to 18.82mm after all!

Hello,

As of Yesterday I appear to have been thrust into the world of Irish railway modelling when my other half came home with this: 

M&GWR E Class 0-6-0T No.110 Bat in 4mm Scale, 21mm Gauge. We're not sure if she's a kitbash or scratchbuilt (The Studio kit is for the later condition), but she was reasonably priced and looks gorgeous. In due course we hope to have her finished in M&GWR Green (I considered inauthentic blue, but it's probably best to stick to the prototype!).

I've been wanting to model an Irish prototype for some time and was, admittedly, planning to do this with 16.5mm. But we are where we are and I'm both daunted and looking forward to the challenge of 21mm for someone who has yet to try building track or working with P4 standards generally. I haven't got a huge amount to report yet, work so far has mostly focused on getting Bat into a usable condition (She needed attention to the quartering on her wheels, adjustments to her gearing and needs some work on her pickups).

Initially I am hoping I may be able to regauge some 16.5mm stock to 21mm as a stop-gap until my modelling skills have caught up with this sudden dive into finescale modelling! I've identified a few RTR British locos which may have potential to be bashed into M&GWR and GNR(I) goods engines so this would be useful!

I suppose, then, this will start with some questions:
1.) Where would be a good place to start sourcing some suitable axles for 21mm Stock?

2.) Has anyone tried regauging 16.5mm stock to 21mm? What was required and how did you go about doing it?

3.) Any recommendations for sourcing further M&GWR and GNR(I) locos and rolling stock from the latter part of the 19th Century through to the 1920s?

4.) Unrelated to the M&GWR, but anyone tried converting a Hornby 4P tank into a UTA 'Jeep' in 21mm or is that a stretch too far?

Thank you all in advance!

- Dan