Mr Bob

In New York, they have reduced the incidences of this sort of criminality through education on how it affects tourism and in turn money for the city and in turn money for amenities and facilities, and of course the use of Graphitti resistant paint 

the current trend is using acid etch on the windows, which ufortunately involves replacing windows and not a quick wash down with graphitti Removal chemicals.

as for the hi vis vests, seeing as these people seem to have free run of the depots, picking up a few vests along the way is no probs. Is there no security in these places ?. The indoor scenes look well lit and the outdoor ones in broad daylight , CCTV anyone ?

its kind of worrying when you see gardai, army etc, carrying out rehearsals for terrorist attacks using bombs, etc, when crims have this type of access to our transport infrastructure, who needs bombs !!!

12 minutes ago, Glenderg said:

Whichever way you turn the wagon, the side profile is the same, if that makes sense. That way you can load the front of the wagon from Door A, the rear of the wagon from Door B. R

Actually, I've just read through the thread again, and had a good look at the photos once more. It's a Railway Clearing House (1923) 10' wheelbase chassis, with the Morton Independent Brake arrangement, but then on top of it, there's a (modified) Bullied triangulated underframe on top, with a cab on top of odds and sods but wider than the BR version, as it overhangs the solebar and makes the most of the irish loading gauge. What a mad, wonderful thing....

 

Perfect, thank you for your prompt reply

On 11/4/2015 at 4:55 PM, Glenderg said:

Reserved for Further Updates

 

Thanks JB. They look brilliant, I wonder was the workbench tutorial ever completed

Were there doors on both sides of the vans and if so, were they opposite each other or offset, with one at each end ? thanks.

Hi, did this build ever get any further ?

Great show, well done and thank you to everyone involved

I have a nephew and niece who came along to Sunday, they haven’t stopped talking about it since and are already looking forward to next years show. Thanks again.

Bob

Hi folks, I’ve got this far with my conversion of BR Intercity MK IV to IR Intercity

Any ideas on how to tint the windows

and also how to paint the black window frames ?

all suggestions welcome, thanks.

Bob

48 minutes ago, WaYSidE said:

downloaded it all, then realised its not on spreadsheet,  which makes copying it almost impossible, ,

is it written on stone tablets, ah jes lads, this is 21st century.

i have choice, either work on my layout  or download those line by line and upload as spread sheet.

there goes my weekend!

if we had enough photos we could put this in glorious colour, what a resource

It might be in spreadsheet format already, maybe jhb171 is doing in sheet and uploading as text, dunno. In any case the model idea is brill. I like the pictures idea too. I’d could be combined with photos from wrenneire’s historic archive. And Ernies archive for the prototypes. A lot of work indeed, but I can see this turning into the go to Oracle for Irish rail rolling stock info.

20 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Timeline (2)

 

This part deals with individual types of loco, coach and wagon.

 

It gives a general picture. Within the overall norm, there will be the occasional “one-off”, for example, where something that I mention as operating only on the Ballygobacwards to Dungloe line, appeared on a solitary occasion on a train to Drumnothing.

Type	Introduced	Last operation**	Where normally operated	Notes
UTA / NIR “WT” Class 2.6.4T “Jeep”     “DH” class 0.6.0 Diesel shunter BCDR Bo-Bo No. 28   MPD Railcars (several designs, corridor and non-corridor; latter usually Larne line) MED Railcars   GNR AEC / BUT Railcars Loco-hauled carriages of NCC / early UTA / GNR origin   Open wagons & Guard’s vans  UTA Cravens Spoil Wagons 70 Class Railcars   80 Class Railcars         CAF 3000 & 4000 class 101 Class “Hunslet” locomotives     111 Class “GM” locomotives   NIR Mk 2 passenger stock   ______________________________________________ CIE / IE A Class   B101 Class   B121 Class B141 Class B181 Class   C Class   D Class   E Class (Note to younger readers: F class were the three narrow gauge diesels 1955-61)   G Class     071 Class   201 Class   __________________________________________ AEC / BUT Railcars (the ORIGINAL 2600 class!)     2600 Railcars   2700 Railcars   2800 Railcars   29000 Railcars   ICR (22000) Railcars   DART   Ex-GSWR Wooden carriages (in use by 1969)   Bredin carriages       CIE 1951-3 carriages   “Laminates”   “Park Royals”     “Cravens”   Heating Vans / “Tin Vans”   Mk 2 “Supertrain” carriages   Mk 2 AB carriages   Mk 3 carriages   Mk 4 carriages   “Galway” carriages   Loose-coupled vans (Timber bodied)    GN Cement Vans   CIE "H" vans, & Palvans   Bullied open wagons   Bogie container wagons   Other bogies (Ammonia, Tara, etc)   RPSI Whitehead Set	1947-50     1969  1930s   c. 1956-62   1951   1950-9 1920s-50s 1915 – 40 1967 1966   1974 / 1978 (2 batches)         Early 2000s 1970     1977-81   1970   ______________   1955   1955   1961 1962/3 1967   1956-8   1949   E401s - 1956 E421s - 1962   G601-3: 1955 G611-7: 1962   1976   1996   ____________ 1950-56        1996   From here, I confess too modern for me; I’d have to look them up and many here will be more knowledgable!         1984 onwards   1915-25   1933-38       1951-3   1956-c.1960   1955   1963/4   1955 – 62 initially   1972   1990s?   1986   1997??   Late 1980s?   1940-50 era   1954   c. 1955-64   Late 1950s   Early 70s on   Late 70s on   various	Summer 1970     About 1980 1972   Last two about 1981  1981   1974 Last of them 1974   Late 1970s 1970 / 80s Mid 1980s   Early 2000s         Still operating 102 – about 2002 101 – about 1994 103 – 1980s Still operating   1997   ________________   1996   1976   c.2002 2006? 2005?   1986   Mid 60s   1986   1963/4 1975   In use   In use (most!)   _____________ c.1987 (1974 as powered railcars)       In use   Mothballed   In use   In use   In use   1984 on   Last 1974   Last c.1978       Last c.1977   Last c. 1994   Last 2 – 1996   Last c.2012?   c.1978   Not sure   Not sure – mid 90s?   Early 2000s?   In use   mid 1990s   c. 1977   c. 1975   c. 1977   Singly – c. 1995? Doubled – 2006?	Ballast on all NIR Spoil Belfast – Magheramorne Passenger relief very occasionally After trial runs, ballast only.  Within this period, confined entirely to shunting Grosvenor Road goods.   All NCC areas, including haulage of the Lisburn – Derry CIE goods   Bangor line until 1976 when Central line opened and they were “liberated”!   GV St – Portadown / Dundalk Excursion traffic only, a handful as railcar intermediates. GN types on that line, a mix of GN / NCC types on the NCC, and one NCC one on the Bangor line in between 2 MED cars Ex-NCC types mostly (2 GNR guards vans) Spoil only to May 1970. Ballast thereafter NCC main line & “Enterprise” 1966-70, then to NCC when new “Enterprise” appeared.   Mainstay of NIR services in this period on all lines, all services, including occasional forays to Dublin. Impossible to model 1974-2000 NIR without them!         All NIR services. Too modern for me to know exact date of introduction! “Enterprise” 1970-84, thereafter occasional local trains, shunting Adelaide, and ballast. 102 only survived as Adelaide shunter   111 / 112 bought to replace clapped-out Hunslets on Enterprise. Joined by 113 in 1981.   Some built new for 1970 “Hunslet” Enterprise; later joined by 2nd-hand similar stock from Britain. Latterly joined by some air conditioned stock, including the “Gatwicks"   ________________________________________________________________________________________   1955-early 60s – all duties. In 1960s, goods mostly. Main line after new engines 1969-72.   Used mainly south, especially N & S Kerry & Mallow-Waterford, as well as main line to Dublin. Passenger & Goods.   The 121s were the first American locos. Used as common fleet with 141 and 181 classes. 121, 141 & 181 classes spent last years on non-passenger work esp. after 201s arrived.   Bought as branch engines, then branches close! Unreliable until re-engined. 1960s – mostly goods / shunting. Shunted Heuston & North Wall only. Included here only because its possible one was still about in 1969 though I doubt it.   E401 & E421 class operated as common fleet. Shunted Cork, Limerick & all over Dublin, though E401s all in Dublin by about 1968/9/70 G601 trio: Mitchelstown, Banagher, Fenit, Castleisland & Newmarket branches (all goods only); pilot work in Tralee. All withdrawn by '69. Included here because you can get kits of both types of G - the earlier (square windowed) trio are not accurate for a layout 1969 onwards. G611 class: Above PLUS pilot Dundalk, Ballina, Limerick, Galway. Shunting Tuam BFS. Passenger work: G613 – 3 months on Foynes branch, plus (with the other six) passenger, goods and mixed trains to Loughrea. Everything! Access all areas, though late to come to Ballina due to Moy river bridge. Now only goods / PW Main line passenger while Mk 3s running, replaced 071s from 1996 onwards   ____________________________________________________________________________ In early 70s, engines removed and converted to push-pull stock. Withdrawn when DARTs introduced, except one dilapidated set which was used Bray – Greystones while the DART was being extended to there.     Rumours of resurrecting them (2017 / not going to happen….                 Several other batches of these things since…   From about 1970, Cork & Connolly retained about 5 or 6 sets of these, latterly used only on summer excursions on the GN suburban and the Youghal line. Bredin carriages were largely built in three batches; 1933 (suburbans, initially non-corridor but later converted), 1935 & 1937. When CIE was formed they used basically the same design for a number of vehicles built 1951-3. Between 1955 & 1960 the laminates (of various types), along with accompanying “tin vans” joined them. These plus the later Cravens were all treated as a common fleet, with most trains in all areas rarely having two consecutive coaches alike!               RPSI has 11 Cravens preserved (not all in traffic)   Tin vans c.1955 -62. “Dundalk” vans later, (late 60s) then EGVs from 1972-86. In early 70s, the “BR” vans appeared.   First air conditioned stock in Ireland. Second hand British Rail     Three EGVs in traffic with Enterprise       The experimental British “International” set   With the new rail plan in 1973, loose-coupled trains were to be phased out and all goods containerised or fitted trains. This spelt the death knell of loose coupled goods trains. With the closure of Castleisland in 1976 and Listowel in 1977, from that year all was fitted wagons. Built for Drogheda cement branch & Platin. Very similar in design to CIE "H" Vans, and used with them by CIE.       These would survive, for beet only, into the 21st century. Last 4-wheel goods stock in use.   In use   Some of these are original NIR 1970 “Enterprise” stock, but several are later NIR, and others never ran here at all – imported from Britain by the RPSI.	Last working steam in Ireland. Last passenger was a 3-coach train on Larne Line, Easter 1970 Forgot to mention these initially…. On account of its use, rarely seen or photographed.     One car shunted Derry (Waterside) at times. Goods hauled by 2-4 cars.   After 1976, Portadown – Bangor along with new 80 and older 70 class. Never seen in service on NCC There were a few (NCC design) UTA-built carriages of 1951-4 era among these. Ballast only Most scrapped – few found a 2nd career as ballast wagons, as there was little need. One or two still in use into the 1980s.      Centre cars were mostly purpose built, but at least 2 rebuilt NCC coaches ran with them, as did UTA Diner 87 and GNR diner 88 on the Derry line, until catering stopped in 1972. Very ropey by 1986 when they stopped. Purpose built centre cars. Some delivered as 2-car sets, others 3-car. Rarely ran in anything but 3, 5 or 6 car formations in earlier years. Comfortable things….prob best today. ICRs are too hot & stuffy inside. Last passenger use of 101 was a three-car local of old Mk 2 Enterprise on an all-stops Central-PDN one summer evening in 1994. It broke down in PDN and wasn’t used again. Enterprise until 1996, ballast and shunting since then, with 112 lent to IE for several years.    Withdrawn after De Dietrichs appeared. The one set of Gatwicks lingered on one daily service until CAF 3000 class appeared. ___________________________________________________   After 1976, 071s mostly took over, so back to goods. Last six in use on Tara until 1996.   Little used after 1967 – confined to shunting & ballast, occasional goods, weedspray. IRRS trip 1976 with 106 was last use. Others long withdrawn by then. Often ran as pairs (in later years almost exclusively). Well travelled: the 141 class got to Omagh, Derry (Waterside), the North Kerry, Croom, Loughrea, Ardee, New Ross, Mallow-Waterford, Sligo-Limerick, Fenit, Castleisland, Foynes and Ballinacourty lines among others... From mid 70s, all brought to Dublin and used on Dundalk – Bray locals push/pulling de-engined AEC cars. All withdrawn after DARTS started in ’84. First diesels built in Ireland   By 1977 or so, I noted E421 in Limerick, one in Cork, and all the rest were in Dublin shunting Heuston & N Wall, and on N Wall – Heuston goods. Never used in traffic otherwise.   G611 class, along with re-engined “C” class, and a very occasional 141, worked the Loughrea branch until it closed in November 1975, and with it Ireland’s last cattle traffic and last mixed trains. Little passenger work after 201 class arrived. Latterly Ballina branch passenger train only. Rest goods! Goods work now, and push/pull passenger on Cork & “Enterprise”   _____________________________________________ Various laminates and Park Royals used as centre cars. Older relics often included; I’ve seen pics of GSWR wooden bogies sandwiched between them, and a photo of one on (I think) Tralee – Mallow in the 50s with a MGWR non-corridor six-wheeler in tow! Same in one pic on the Harcourt St line as late as 1958.                       Even late on, in the Dublin set anyway there were at least two non-corridor.         These were joined by the “tin vans”, built from the mid 50s to the early 60s. The earlier ones were 4-wheeled luggage vans or brake / generator vans when steam ended. Later ones, with more “main line” side profile were six-wheeled heating vans. A few (4 or 6, I think) were built as (VERY rough riding TPOs). One is preserved recently at the DCDR.           Last “tin vans” to see normal passenger use were about 1978 on the Nenagh branch, Limerick – Ennis locals, and possibly Limerick – Rosslare.     Clapped out when they got them! Several “Dutch” vans converted to operate with them.           Probably the most comfortable “modern” coaches ever to operate.                           The RPSI now has the Gatwicks too, plus their unique genny van, while DCDR has the Gatwick driving trailer which ne

WOW !! This is incredible ! It’s exactly what I had in mind when I was writing the OP... thank you for taking the time to put this together . I’m sure that so many people will find this helpful.

edit. I don’t know what App you are creating the document in, but those docs seldom transfer correctly to a post, hence the lining up issue. If the site has a resource section you could add it there as a live document, maybe, and edit it as other suggestions come in. That way all your formatting would also be preserved. Anyway, thanks again for this.

Not having the knowledge of 40 - 50 years of Irish railway modeling, I find it difficult to get info on the evolution of Irish rolling stock. Other than Wikipedia which is a bit disjointed at the best of times.

Has anyone ever considered putting together a definitive timeline of when stock came in and out of service.

It could be done in a number of separate but parallel time lines to include, goods, passenger and locos and maybe one for working stock.

It would certainly help with trying to model different eras.

Bob

Mods: possibly in the wrong forum, please move if so. Thanks.

OMG, that is just amazing. Keep up the good work and most of all, enjoy

On 2/8/2019 at 10:32 AM, scahalane said:

There was someone had started doing Cobh Junction (Glounthaune) on here or maybe it was the old web site. I remember they had done a survey of it but I'm not sure if it progressed any further. 

Cobh Station itself would be a great choice to model. So many options....with North Esq or Marino Point as optional sidings. Which one(s) are you thinking of doing?

I am thinking about doing Cobh Station, in a sort of Generic way so that I could run steam or diesel in it and it would still look ok. The buildings would all be correct but in a hypathetical era... if that makes any sense for example, there was a fine water tower/ coal shed and a turntable, long gone now but I would still include them even though on the odd day, there might be a DMU motoring past .

So did they sell or not, difficult to tell from the thread ? 150 Irish Euro offered if not.

Also for the modern stock, is there any repository for the codes or approximations of the colors used ?

20 minutes ago, Warbonnet said:

Eh?? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Murphy-Models-MM5411-MM5601-MKII-Restaurant-Generator-Car-Galway-Livery/143099458670?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3D21fbb3091af845d4bc6c42b4637c641f%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D143125834287%26itm%3D143099458670&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

Surely that’s not a real sale ???

On 6/7/2017 at 3:03 PM, roxyguy said:

Roco D214. G class anyone? Remove the railing and modify the cab slightly.

Did you (or anyone on here) go ahead with this conversion ? Photos ?

Hi, just wondering what engines we are seeing in these photos, what year (roughly) and are there any models of them (or something similar) which could be converted. Thanks.

Hi, Has anyone on here ever modeled any of the stations on the Cork to Cobh line ?

thanks

What ever happened to this one ? Did it progress any further ?