Pete00018

On 25/6/2023 at 3:07 PM, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

Any electrical wholesalers would gladly supply any type of blue, black, red, green cable and any gauge you require, where are you located?

Hi Gabhal, I am located in Dublin city centre.   

Hi 

 Could anyone advise where to pick up red/black bus wiring in Ireland.  I've looked online unsuccessfully. I'd prefer to purchase at home

then resorting to ordering from UK (also the shipping cost are equal to equipment in the order).

Thanks

4 hours ago, Darrman said:

Recently I found some old photos of a family holiday. Sadly no photos were taken of the locomotive (if any), but a few were taken inside the coaches.

Killarney, ~2006

Heuston?, ~2008. There may be trains outside the window, but I wouldn't be able to identify them.

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

Top one 2600 series railcar.

The bottom standard Mk3 loco hauled (PP Mk3 had the open windows)

Hi All,

 Would anyone know what colour the CIE narrow gauge carriages were by 1950s? 

I thinking from looking about the net, its white or cream uppers and brown lower (see below-thanks to Ernies site).

But the floors and colour of the upholstery I'm not sure of.  I have seen reference to GSR 'second-class' cloth for seating post 1925, what colour would it of been?

The C&L original carriages seem all over dark down/brown with white roofs.

Rebuilt C&L 1L, light scumble? interior with white roof?   Any idea of the cushion seat cover colour and floors?

Rebuilt bus body 7L, more difficult to determine, maybe cream interior? wood coloured window frames? Bus seats colour unknown, by with silver trim.

Ex T&D via WCR, brown lower and cream tops, similar to the recovered10T below? 

10T as recovered with cream? topped, brown lower and white roof.

Any advise or info on this much apricated.

 Thanks

1 hour ago, jhb171achill said:

Pretty much what it looks like, Pete - a pinkish colour with a brownish tint - much of which would be brake dust.

While railways all went to great lengths to keep paint colours uniform (despite many urban legends about a million shades of this or that), fading would be different in every case. Weather, sunlight, intensive use, storage at different distances from smoke-producing loco sheds, etc etc, all played a part. A vehicle might be more work-worn on one side than the other…..

So if you wanted to model something that looks that much worn, I’d go for some mix of a beige colour and a light red, maybe. Experiment on card first!

You’ll note that the green on the other coach is almost as bad. The C & L had no carriage shed by this stage and everything spent 100% of its time outdoors in the rain!

Thanks.   I spent a good 20 mins looking at the the colour shades in MarksModels during the week, just wasn't able to find a faded maroon shade to match the LRTL tour photos. The etch primer and then maybe a spray and light primer might help lighten it before applying the livery.   

But will I've some brass frets to test on before applying anything to the body.

Yes, the green on carriage 11L is also faded, that's another headache for later to see what colour to try match that up with 

Would you have a suggested what to use for normal GSR marron?     Cannot seem to get the Phoenix Precision spray shipped over. I seen a recommended a Halford Rover maroon? {cant recall the one} on this forum, but couldn't find it stock in Halfords anymore.

On 14/2/2022 at 2:04 AM, jhb171achill said:

From 1935 at least, and possibly a couple of years earlier, these two liveries, which had run concurrently with principal stock in the brown and cream and secondary, local, six-wheel and narrow gauge stock in the older all-over "dark lake" colour, were replaced by a livery virtually identical to that of the LMS in Britain, and by extension the NCC - except that in later years much stock on the NCC was unlined.

The variation to this last livery was in secondary and narrow gauge stock which also, coincidentally, was unlined. This overall maroon spread to all GSR stock by degrees, though one MGWR coach was observed newly painted brown and cream as late as 1936 or thereabouts.

When badly weathered, this colour could take on a brownish tint, due to brake dust sticking to it, just like most bogies on anything both then and now. When faded, the paint bleached to a salmony pinkish colour - for anyone who wants a derelict coach still in old GSR livery stuffed among the weeds at the back of a siding on a layout.......

JBH, what colour would you recommend for the faded salmony pink colour for worn/oou stock.  I'm thinking like C&L carriage 1L was by 1953.

Thanks for all the invaluable info.

Hey anyone got the working times for next weekends tour? 
 

thanks 

On 16/8/2022 at 6:49 PM, Westcorkrailway said:

813 looks great in that livery, however if it’s going to maam cross I imaging a coat of GSR livery will be applied once the apropriate TLC has been applied 

 

 

813 does look great in that green. Remember seeing it buried in the shed back in 1997, was in good condition even as a tarry.     I had always thought it was non-corridor compartment as it was a suburban dia carriage, but the ends show a corridor plated over.

On 16/8/2022 at 6:34 PM, jhb171achill said:

813, from memory, is about 1908/10.  I’ll check when I get home.

1910, local services diagram

So has the RPSI fully vacated from the old loco shed and sidings?

On 8/5/2022 at 1:33 PM, 2996 Victor said:

Thanks - I'm aware of these, but I've had a few items from there and, while I don't like to berate a fellow modeller's efforts, I was really quite disappointed. Some wagon bodies were significantly in error when compared to known dimensions, and the print quality was rather poor. I recently ordered a couple more items but the print quality wasn't improved.

Best regards,

Mark

I don't know about the broad gauge ones, but I've a number of narrow gauge Rc21 Shapeway prints and so far they have been goods quality. The usual steeping, washing and rubbing down before priming. Fingers cross the next one has no issues..

A given tho that not as detailed as brass kits.   

It would help if accurate drawings were to have for producing 3D CAD and prints.

Best regards,

 Peter

On 1/8/2022 at 6:46 PM, Noel said:

I have three of his brake vans, one oxide red and two in grey. Love them, perfect for my era, they have been joined by JM designs latest model

IFM 20 ton version in grey

IFM 20 ton version in oxide red

JM Design 20 ton Version CIE grey. Finer resolution on correct chassis instead of dapol donor

I still haven't got around to a brass SSM kit I bought about 6 years ago!

These specialist producers have been excellent source for models for my era. Thank you.

 

Hi, Would the W irons, axle box and springs have been painted grey with the rest of the vehicle IRL? 

Hi, would anyone have a pic of brake van 191L from the other end.

Also trying to see what the inside might be like from the open platform end.

Thanks

There was at least one of the brake vans still in use in 2004 for the oil transfer between Alexander Rd and Heuston. I have a hi8 film somewhere of it, will have to dig it out.

On 2/6/2022 at 1:12 PM, Westcorkrailway said:

I was searching for simular colour for f paint. Galteemores workbench thread heralds these results 

This paint which I found a while back looks “pretty good” although I never have tried it myself the one below is *shock dark green* 8.50 at art&hobby

an actual Snail with accurate colours for reference at the malahide meuseum 

 

Thanks for the suggestion, I'm going to try your Halford combo suggestion, ordered to pick up tomorrow.

I picked up the Shock green in A&H last week but even on a base coat of Halford grey primer it is still too bright to the eye for 1940s dark green (see test spray pic) 

It might suit post-1955 CIE green.

8 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

If you mean the lamp housings permanently attached to guards vans, the body colour. Grey van, grey mountings.

Thanks, for the update, will leave them body colour so.

Can anyone suggest which brand and shade of model spray paint is nearest to CIE 1940s dark green livery.

I have used Humbrol no 3 spray but it seems a tad bit darker than expected.

Have also used a shade of Tamiya and does think is quiet right looking.

All suggestions welcome,

Thanks all.

On 31/5/2022 at 12:24 AM, jhb171achill said:

Only seeing this. Footboards were always painted black by CIE, but weathered down with brake dust and wear and tear to a nondescript grubby colour.

Just a follow up, any idea what colour the side lamps might of been at the guards ends. Same issue as footboards with the colour to photos to identify for modelling.

Thanks

20 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Only seeing this. Footboards were always painted black by CIE, but weathered down with brake dust and wear and tear to a nondescript grubby colour.

Great, thanks a mil, painting underway so

Does anyone know what colour the footboards on C&L 21L and 22L would of been.

The two colour photo I have seen of the two coaches together are inconclusive (pg 108 A Second Glance - 4L [incorrectly identified as probably 8L] blowing of at Dromod and pg 35 Narrow Gauge in Colour- 5T train is in the shadowed coming over the level crossing).

I think the b/w picture of 21L newly refurbished at Ballinamore shows the footboards as possibly light to mid grey but the photos of 22L are harder to distinguish.

As an aside I know the colour photos showing the LRTL special on the T&DR in 1953 show the foot boards as very light grey, however I would presume that is a mix of weathering/lack of maintenance and the Kodachrome used. 

Hi

  Just wondering can anyone advise what colour the chimney would be of the stoves in brake vans, around the 1950s CIE days?   

Would it be painted black or grey? Doubt it would of been left bare metal nor painted white lead like the roofs.  Trying to find photos online but none clear of the roof but I can see model have them black. Photos of UK models seem to show them black.

I'm thinking Humbrol matt black 33 and a little Humbrol dry brushing of 113 rust brown.

Thanks

2 hours ago, Andy Cundick said:

Pete the "strap" around the middle is a joggle in the top sheet to overlap the bottom sheet in stop water ingress whereas the doors on the others seem to have residual framing 16 is just plain sheet so is the plainist one of the lot,Andy.

That is perfect info, thanks a mil Andy and will make fitting out this one out the easiest.

On a hunch, I forgot to check The Transport Library website and I think this is the elusive van on track lifting duties, the number just about visible and looks like 16.

I surprised there are not more pics of the van around given how the others have shown up in many images.

- Peter

1 hour ago, Andy Cundick said:

Just checked my Cavan albums and come up with 3.As my computer skills are not up to this picture sending lark i'll have to print them up and send them by post,however the details are very simple,the whole van including ends are alli clad with single swage line halfway up the body this includes the side doors,hope this helps Andy.

Thanks Andy.     

The bodies of 14L and 18L both had extra T shape bracing on the sides while 17L seems in most pictures to have only a single strap around the centre of the body [exception being page 45 of The Irish NG in colour - the pic looks like there is T bracing - but it doesn't show up on the other pictures].

The rear door of 14L also seems to have been revised with small window and extra bracing straps. 

And the doors all seem to be matchboard ones however I want to check 16L before cutting and strapping, already filling in and smoothing the panels on the van I got..

2 hours ago, seagoebox said:

Book... The Cavan & Leitrim Railway , the last decade by Tom Ferris & Patrick Flanagan, published 1997 by Midland Publishing has good pictures of sister vans  14L and 17L on page 54.

Thanks, got a these, they are good details on some of them, I'm just trying find figure out the exact difference of 16L from the other three vans. Planning on doing all four vans.

Hi

 Does anyone know or has a photo of C&L brake van 16L? 

I've checked the usually books, the new Fall & Rise of C&LR, The Irish NG in Colour, The Last Decade, NG Rolling Stock, Smoke Across The Drumlins and Ernies Photo Album on Flickr and cannot find one specifically of 16L.  There are clear photos of 14L,17L and 18L for reference but I've been unable to ID any photo of 16L.

Have a shapeway brake van being prepped to becoming 16L if I can find a photo for ref.

Thanks All

On 9/4/2021 at 9:59 AM, Irishswissernie said:

Thanks, the film also looks like post WW2 stock as well.

Although these Cavan & Leitrim images are from 20 March 1959 the interior is still 1890's.

First 2 photos Coach 5L , 2nd class in foreground, First Class the upholstered armchair. to the rear. In the background, looks like livestock  judging by the evidence on the floor.

3rd photo 1L rebuilt with  upholstered 2nd class!

 

 

Hi,

 Any idea what colour the upholstery was in the two carriages 3L and the rebuilt 1L?

Thanks