johnminnitt

Hello, I used brass screw heads in this fashion some time ago, with no problem in soldering.

First I filed the screw-head - to remove any plating, muck etc.

Cleaned up rail with fine wet and dry.

Used 145 degree solder and plenty of flux - the same combination I used for etched kits. (Normal Phosphoric acid flux).

Afterwards cleaned up remaining flux with a damp brush.

You ask would it be worth using flux on the screw, I am sure it would be much harder without.

As Mayner says the flux in cored solder is not really up to this, I would always use a separate flux for any constructional joint - the 145 degree melting point helps too.

OK, let's have a gallery of them.

No 3 in her early years on the C&L, while she still had the cast numberplate. (ie still looking as in her later T&D days)

Edit's not working - so, PS - I think that came from a Yahoo group - 00n3 or Irish narrow gauge one.

On 4/10/2018 at 4:22 PM, NarrowGauge said:

Thanks for the info gents I cannot find much about the U&C so is there anymore info on it just want a ideas for the line route and see if I can fit my layout in to it 

I copied this from some book years ago, don't recall which. I'm sure someone here could tell you.

UCLR.doc

I will just briefly agree in recommending Pendon to anyone who could possibly visit.

The trains are fine, but, as Leslie says, the buildings and scenics are brilliant. I've greatly enjoyed watching it grow, visiting once a decade or so since my mother took me nearly 60 years ago.

Would there have been joint ownership? Wouldn't it have been like the Donegal or Swilly - cross-border and so staying separate?

I have often thought (and once built, longer ago than I care to consider) that a harbour branch makes a good small 'shunting plank' type of set-up, it can be rural or among quayside buildings, and waterfront is always atmospheric' Having water wholly or partly behind it on the backscene (as with Arun Quay or Shell Island) can really open out a small layout.

I did think that the Ulster and Connaught might give a base for a fairly freelance such set-up - maybe a branch from near the Western end to a small port (looking especially at Roundstone, a photogenic place I think, though I've never had the pleasure of going there - but it reminds me of Cornwall so it must be good).

51 minutes ago, Noel said:

Yes the hobby here in Ireland even per-capita has always been much smaller than the UK which may be a factor.  The number of clubs and skill base seems pro-rata less than the UK which has a long standing tradition of railway modelling in all its aspects.  Perhaps one day a small 21mm branch diorama might tempt me, especially if I can find a modeller with the skills of a watch maker to help re-gauge a small selection of rolling stock and get it to run as reliably on track as it did on 00.  As I said I have always admired 21mm layouts - but from a distance due to practicalities and my limitations.

If the temptation to try that does strike one day, don't be too deterred - a good many people have got P4 to work decently without the level of precision skills you suggest. I even managed it a bit myself in the past - both in UK standard gauge and in real broad gauge (7ft) - and I'm certainly no watch maker.

2 hours ago, Noel said:

Some folks seem put off 21mm by the amount of work to modify all their rolling stock, getting stock running reliably on track after modifification, and for some the lack of ability to run stock on friends 00 layouts. That's my excuse also, but I admire and love looking at other folks broad gauge layouts. 

 

All good reasons, depending on your personal priorities, and no doubt many who use 00 in the UK have similar reasons. There just seems to be a smaller percentage whose different priorities lead them to 21mm (and other scale equivalents) than there are who do P4 and EM.

Certainly it is less of a task to modify stock and get it working well, and to make one's own better-looking track, with a small branch than with a main-line set-up. Maybe there's less interest in that sort of thing than in the UK?

14 hours ago, Andy Cundick said:

Courtmacsherry is at Warley this year,it was meant to go out to the Romsey show a fortnight ago but the Show was cancelled due to the snow,so its debut will be at the rescheduled Romsey show in June .Bit depressing that it seems i've got about 20% of the proper broad gauge layouts though.Andy.

Yes, as someone quite new to this forum (previous connection with Irish modelling being mostly 3ft gauge, and awareness of a few fine models like Adavoyle, Castle Rackrent) I am a bit surprised how little 'proper' broad gauge there is. Sure there's a lot of 00 in the UK, but there's a good deal of EM and P4 too.

Maybe there's less interest in smaller prototypes, where it's easier to put time into getting track and wheels right, and more main line stuff?

On 3/10/2018 at 9:02 PM, David Holman said:

Great to see there are more!

Absolutely, just glancing at pictures above (especially looking down on the van), or shots of Belturbet or Valencia online, the correct gauge looks so much better.

Of course we who have dabbled in 00n3 have had the gauge right too!

PS Are there any pictures online of the Courtmacsherry model? I'd like to see that, it was an attractive prototype.

If you don't manage to swap the C&L 4-4-0T (unmade Backwoods kit I assume) I would probably be interested in buying, depending on price and my financial situation at the time.

There's this one too, I think I saw it at the Narrow Gauge show at Shepton Mallett a good many years ago

https://sites.google.com/site/3mmpublic/members-layouts/finnegan-s-crossing

12 hours ago, popeye said:

I have mixed some paint for EDN and have painted the stripes on a coach.

This is just a test to see what you think, i can adjust it later.

Also the photo looks very different from the model i painted so it's by no means exact.

 

I think that EDN looks pretty good too, what was the mix?

The transfers match well too, if you painted over them it's very neatly done.

Re the 'Guard' image - I agree with Achill, the 6021 looks closest, neat 216 looks a bit dark

Again, sorry to be repetitive, I don't think one should be too hung up about official specifications, what a colour looks like in service on an actual coach at some distance is the main thing surely. The 'Quiet Man' EDN looks a good deal lighter than 216, or is that my eyes, or 1950's colour film?

43 minutes ago, murrayec said:

Hi johnminnitt

They are the same, I gave the image as for comparison right or left, one or other, but not mixing them

In setting up the samples I used the movie image to extract the colour of the snail/stripe and then used the same palate of colours to select the closest match to the BS colour cards- 14 C 35 comes the closest for that image- if you have an other image your referring to post it up and I'll do the same process to it

Eoin

Yes, I understand your comparison, I was referring to Steve's suggestion of 216 for snails and 14 C 35 for numbers and lines.

On the whole I think I agree with your preference for 14 C 35 for the whole lot.

PS Holts (http://www.autocustompaint.co.uk/Pages/BritishStandardPaint.aspx) list 14 C 35 as 'Braemer Green in the 4800 range, in aerosols and touch-up paints.

Surely snails, lines and numbers should be the same shade?

It's always looked that way to me, but which of the two above is better seems to vary with which photo you look at, what computer you look with and the state/age of the vehicle's paint job?

The colours on the right look pretty close to the film still to me.

8 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

To an extent. Initially done, they were all the same as paints were mixed with accuracy, and if we are looking at "snails", they were all standard transfers from Tearnes of Birmingham. Different lighting and wear and tear can make colours look "flatter" as some pigments fade quicker than others. 

Again, I think the solution to this will be a field visit, and again I would offer that if anyone here can match accurately from an actual example I can lend a suitable actual paint sample.

 

Yes, sorry, I was thinking back to the green paint question when talking about ,mixing.

Still I think the other points are relevant to the snails. I also think your word 'flatter' is well chosen, too bright a colour can look wrong even if technically correct - who ever saw a railway with every vehicle fresh from the paint shop? Weathering a bright colour helps but maybe isn't quite the same as fading. In the past I have read of people toning down full-strength colours with a little pale tan/grey for that effect (done it myself with 'official' GW green). Still it's probably asking a bit much for suppliers to produce transfers in 'fresh' and 'faded' shades. It would be nice though.

Tearnes seem to exist still, I don't suppose they still have any relevant records.

3 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Looking at that chart, the 216 and 226 that I was quoted don't look right at all. The EDN is too yellowy by far, and the 226 too dark - it's more like UTA green.

I thought 225 looked more like it.

Am I right in thinking not all EDN snails were lined, not I think when they're on goods stock and NG coaches?

If so, even if you do produce lined ones Steve please keep unlined ones going too.

Different screens, different perceptions make this a bit imprecise. To my eye the 216 Eoin pasted into Steve's transfers looks a bit darker than the 216 pasted into the large snail, and the EDN above John Wayne's head looks lighter than most shades suggested later.

Still, as has been said many times about livery paints,  first they were quite possibly not always mixed exactly the same, the shade would change with weather, dirt, sunlight once in use, and isn't it true that a colour seen close up is not the same when seen from some distance, as models effectively are. So do we want the 'officia'l shade as new, a bit used, seen from six inches or 200 yards?

9 minutes ago, railtec-transfers said:

To my eye, the shade of the snail is quite different to that of the Quiet Man film photo. Which one is it we're trying to match?

I agree, that snail looks (to my little eye) noticeably darker than the Quiet Man pic, or the snail in Mr Achill's symbol.

On your examples I quite like the second from the left, top row, block C.

I would suggest that if unsure, as one can hardly help being when the shade seems to vary so much, it's better to go paler than darker - paint would surely not remain the 'paintshop' shade for very long and would be more likely to fade rather than darken?

This place lists those BS codes, I don't know how good their paint is though.

http://www.autocustompaint.co.uk/Pages/BritishStandardPaint.aspx

and - https://www.riolettcustomaerosols.co.uk/cheap-british-standard-bs381c-paint/

For me too the green looks pretty good.

Is there any other source of eau de nil snails and class numbers, as those seem not to meet with approval?

On 1/22/2018 at 3:45 PM, David Holman said:

The current RM has a fine article on a model of one of the Lincolnshire potato railways. Spud growing on an industrial scale and some very nice buildings & scenery.

 There is also another interesting piece showing a 6x4 layout in 00, which shows how it is possible to disguise tight curves. The design could be incorporated in other scales - notably 009 - and makes N gauge in 4x2 looking a tempting proposition.

Ballinamore as siad above, but nothing to do with N or 009 of course being 3ft gauge.

Yes, nicely done. I have come to this forum via an interest in the 3ft gauge which did sometimes tend to the grubby end of the spectrum (take a bow C&L), and where weathering seems normal on models. On wider tracks though I have however seen here a few pictures of these bubbles looking spotless in trains (along with pristine light grey opens etc) and yours look vastly more convincing.