Buz

Hi all

Have got a little further but still stuck with the latching relay wiring and how to draw it properly

regards John

Hi all

Just remember that non smoking coaches where also available back in the day as well and also some dubious 1/2 and 1/2 coaches.

I think back in the day some of us got that Kippered on trains that we where lucky not to get served up for breakfast.

I can remember smoking at the back of the bus not sure it was healthy for others but you where once allowed to smoke at the back of the bus I can also remember prospector rail cars being 1/2 smoking and 1/2 non smoking without the benefit of a dividing door or separate air conditioning systems.

How things have changed.

I also asked Hattons about Irish four and six wheel coaches and received a positive response so here is hoping

regards John

Hi dave182

Way to long std WAGR rail length for 3'6" gauge was 22' and that was pretend standard gauge, not a temp bog line

I would suggest doing a search on Decauville (spelling) portable railway the track lengths where very short so a couple of men could just dump it on the ground bolt it up and get trains moving quickly in war time the English version Ex WD is probably what the Bord na mona use for temporary bog track with a more substantial "main line"

regards John

Hi David

As far as I can tell yes I have seen a pictures of a wagon or two with Irish brewery names on them.

So I assume the railways did the same otherwise their respective workshops, would be for ever be making fresh tarps instead of repairing and replacing as needed.

Railway tarps tend to migrate all over the place and the respective railways like to get them back.

Sometimes it takes a while.

regards John

Hi all

Of no interest to me hobby wise.

That said a friend of mine has a couple of maglevs that where manufactured by Tomix the set comes with a station and speedometer

More a toy than model I think but the thing really fly's along at the kind of speeds that would make a Scalectric racer proud.

regards John

4 hours ago, David Holman said:

Try Wizard Models, who have an extensive on line catalogue and ordering service for signalling parts.

Thanks interesting load of bits and pieces and a lot of pages to look at.

Hi manicougan

That's pretty small how and what do you see it developing into.

regards John

Hi all

Looking at this thread I get the impression that crude though they may be by today's standards.

That Hornby Dublo two rail tinplate tankers could possibly be used as Irish oil tankers.

Is that a correct assumption I am only basing it on the pictures I know some one used to or does do a modern metal replacement wheel for them and someone does the wheel clip as they can fly or break due to age

Not sure how you would deal with the coupling issue. something for the 3D experts to think about ??

But they would make a rather satisfying noise over the rail joints and points and in-spite of the crudeness they do have a railway like feel to them.

regards John

Hi all

Well I am on an interesting ride that started with a 141 so thanks for that.

if some rolling stock is on the menu please don't forget to invite me.

So thanks for the locomotive and couple of coaches I managed to get.

regards John

Hi all

This one is very shades of Madder Valley I need a lamp casting to finish this signal.

I need a large old world type signal lamp with a single lens so I can finish the signal.

Any suggestions would be welcome as to where I might get one the signal is nominally 4mm scale,

but very much shade's of Madder Valley while still being loosely based on "ye olde" signalling practices.

It's for the other project and has been sitting around unfinished long enough and I want to get the original long match stick and too small target version replaced.

I originally thought old Triang Hydraulic buffer lamp.

But don't have one I can rob in the junk box and it might not be quite big enough for an early lamp housing.

So really any suggestions for  a) what to use and b) where to get one would be most welcome.

regards John

47 minutes ago, Buz said:

Hi all

Having lost in a roof leak a while ago, my useful cct note book I put together over the years I am now in need of a cct and notes that was in it.

The cct I need is how to have a twin coil solenoid driven signal stop a train in an isolated section and I can't remember it HELP!!

As I am building single line, will a suitable value diode across the IRJ allow the passage of a train through the back of the signal if it is at stop.

I plan on isolating only one rail, one rail should be enough ??

What value should the diode be given it could be receiving up to full track voltage through it nominally 12v that is if the idea works in the first place.

But just how nominal the model rail controllers are I don't know and I don't want to be replacing diodes every five minutes if the idea works.

Please do not try and convince me on the merits of the Mystic Dark Arts that is DCC I won't answer the question asked or be of any benefit to me either.

regards John

Woops! nearly forgot diagram so you can work out what I am on about.

regards John

Hi all

Having lost in a roof leak a while ago, my useful cct note book I put together over the years I am now in need of a cct and notes that was in it.

The cct I need is how to have a twin coil solenoid driven signal stop a train in an isolated section and I can't remember it HELP!!

As I am building single line, will a suitable value diode across the IRJ allow the passage of a train through the back of the signal if it is at stop.

I plan on isolating only one rail, one rail should be enough ??

What value should the diode be given it could be receiving up to full track voltage through it nominally 12v that is if the idea works in the first place.

But just how nominal the model rail controllers are I don't know and I don't want to be replacing diodes every five minutes if the idea works.

Please do not try and convince me on the merits of the Mystic Dark Arts that is DCC I won't answer the question asked or be of any benefit to me either.

regards John

Hi all

I consider factory weathering is often over done as is home brew weathering so I don't buy them unless I have absolutely totally no other choice.

Nor do I weather my stock and for me graffiti is a complete and absolute NO NO.

I much prefer my rose colored chocolate coated view of the world when it comes to model railways thanks, there is enough ugliness in the real world without moving it into the model train space to spoil that to.

If you wish to sell me weathered stock I am quite happy to accept the very generous 70% to 90% discount you are offering me on weathered stock, which is a good indicator of what I think of weathered stock factory or other wise and how much it de-values and spoils the product.

Those that have mastered the mystic art of weathering and get it right good luck to them that's their choice.

But it's just not for me.

regards John

Hi all

Why do you want more than one plough when all the ballast trains I have seen only have one if they have one at all and no ballast wagons available to go with them HUH!! that doesn't make sense.

Which goes back to my Idea of having a small core of just enough Irish rolling stock permanently available so people can have full trains all be it short ones to go with there brand new Irish locomotive.

While they wait for the all over the place rest of it to catch up with what else is needed / wanted.

Eventually people will stop buying locomotives if they just can't get the rest of the trains to go with them.

I know I will.

That permanent availability is what's needed not a batch of something different and miss matched every year that you can't make a train from and more of them including singles packs not just multi packs.

Why just merry go round stuff what about proper trains, you know the ones that have a locomotive up front and a guards van at the back.

Don't say kits I don't do trains I can never get the wheels square no matter what I do never succeeded in having a working wagon from a kit unless some one else made it.

I even have a botched very expensive S scale WAGR wagon on  a shelf to remind me never to waste more money on wagon kits unless the manufacturer / retailer offers a quality construction service for it.

We cannot all be good at every thing to do with the hobby some are some like me are not.

regards John

48 minutes ago, NIR said:

While looking for a signalling diagram

http://dunsandlerailwaystation.blogspot.com/2008/02/dunsandle-station-station-layout.html?m=1

A ringed siding signal was connected to a trap point protecting the exit from the ballast siding

Thanks for the link

A ringed siding signal connected to that doesn't sound right unless ringed signal doesn't mean what I think it does, a standard signal arm with an O attached to it.

That does make things a bit clearer as to what was there than it was.

Interesting the description says three catch points yet the diagram only show's one but shows all the catch point indicators.

Perhaps a larger diagram would help with that part.

The spur line was worked with a tumbler OK what is a tumbler?

Not a term I have heard in association with signal equipment or operational requirements.

regards John

Hi BSGSV

Yes it looks like typical for me signaling in and out and that's it

I think I have seen something some where that said the signal for the ballast pit line had a ring on it but not sure if that is the case.

Right now the lurgy is playing havoc with finding stuff out and finding drawings every one is not at work,

and apparently An Post are not delivering to Aus so even if I find what I want no one can post it to me.

Although design work for the mainline  point indicators is proceeding well they are a concession I decided to make on account of eyesight and white shows every time you don't want it to so I decided 1896 McK & H pattern WAGR point indicators on the mainline points was a good idea if they can be made to work.

Which is why on another thread I asked about rotating point indicators and had a win I got the answer I hoped for yippee

So it will be white is main and red is siding that will do.

Until I work out how best to tackle the signals when I get that far only got as far as probably wood mast when they where first installed, and how on earth do I represent a concrete mast apparently some became concrete masts later.

I think it will be the wrong kind of ground frames I don't like my chances at finding a drawing of the signal box and so far draw a blank at finding short lever High harp for want of a better description ground frame kits.

That look like the ones at Dunsandle or even Irish for that matter I think it was 8 lever for the crossing end and I think six lever the other end.

I assume the Irish railways used Black points Blue point lock Red signal and White spare for lever colors.

regards John

On 9/13/2020 at 9:48 PM, Irishswissernie said:

The Kiltulla-Bullan Road is the one going across the railway level crossing heading for the middle of the bottom  of the map. The buildings would mainly be small farms.

The new M6 road is probably built on top of part of the ballast siding where it curved away from the station to cross the road just after the one heading to the top right of the map.

If you go on Google street view some of the older buildings will still be there though no doubt modernised but streetview will still give you some impression of the general scenery etc.

Scenery relatively speaking flat and a lot greener than Kalgoorlie by the look of it  care will be needed to avoid the billiard table look with a few ups and downs.

It looks like the railway is or was the highest point in the landscape apart from maybe the spoil heaps from the gravel pits?

Which will make it interesting disguising the mouse holes where the train leaves the scenery It will be a roundy roundy layout with a siding or sidings  each representing Atymon and Loughrea and a couple of hidden storage roads for the stock that hopefully I will be able to get, not looking good at the moment I will not pay well out of order over the top  Evil Bay Prices for stock 10 pounds for a Hornby wagon that should be five I don't think so, two hundred for a Lima composite coach that's just plain madness.

If I could get it that's a brand new RTR or custom build locomotive from any reputable model supplier and probably postage as well.

regards John

Hi David

Is that one of the brake van ? coach? called drovers vans.

That looks great

For a minute there I thought you where building something akin to the Hornby Dublo caboose basicaly a UK / Irish brake van with a cupola on it

and nearly made the silly suggestion of painting it red

regards John

Hi Irishswissernie

That possibly is it but from the scraps I have at the moment, I only have reference to it crossing a field with the Kiltulla-Bullan road.

which is?? none of the roads appear to be marked so I have no idea which one it is.

But I assume from the map Its going to have to cross a road or roads at some point to get to that pit.

The track and signal diagram does show it curving away in that general direction but just says ballast hill at the end of spur where it branches into three sidings but no indication of distance and being a railway diagram it only shows what the railway are interested in.

I take it the buildings near the pit are farms, or are they something more like the crofts found in Scotland

regards John

Hi all

Here is a map the current station owners sister sent me as a result of inquires made by me.

My questions are

Where did the ballast sidings go they came off the top points and cross a road somewhere.

The gravel pit shown on the map is not where I expected it to be or as far away as I expected it to be, was there another one somewhere else if so where??

As you can see for a first Irish layout I am definitely working on the KISS principle and hoping an 8',  9' or 10' board is going to be long enough for the station once I have worked out whats where given the platform is 3' at full scale length.

Any one know anything about the well, tank and signal box shown on the map?? apart from the signal box got demolished.

regards John

Hi Jhb171achill

Thanks for that  informative answer that makes it a definite NO for me I am no rivet counter but I do like a good resemblance which it seems that coach just doesn't have.

I would not have a clue where Irish steam is concerned something I will have to correct over time.

regards John

HiKMCE

What an ugly brutish thing, captured to perfection.

Don't leave it there too long or some bloody minded RSM will order it painted post haste.

regards John

Hi jb171achill

The coaches from the Bachmann Irish set the two tone green could they be run with the single stripe black and orange MM craven coaches.

I have been offered one and don't want to have another train to try and build one at a time is enough.

regards John

5 hours ago, hexagon789 said:

I think most of the continental European networks kept 3 classes into the 1950s, some possibly longer. I think Germany even had four classes - fourth being on rural branch lines consisting of unpadded wooden bench-equipped four wheelers.

The trouble with having too many classes is having to provide for catering facilities on longer journeys. I know that in Scotland the LNER had composite diners on the Edinburgh-Aberdeen expresses where seperate first and third diners would have been overkill but trying to provide for three classes must have been interesting for the NCC. Did they have any such thing as a tri-composite diner?

Don't travel European 4th class NO seats the third class had the hard wooden benches.

regards John

19 hours ago, TimO said:

Of course, too busy looking for a lever. Also I thought vac brakes had a ‘string’ to pull but I don’t see one. 

The "string' may be hard to see or may even not show in the picture its only a thin steel rod with a loop at the end to pull.

modern air brake stock has them as well.

It breaks the vacuum or equalizes the pressure depending on brake type so the wagon can be shunted.

Where trains where mixed fitted and loose stock the general rule was fitted stock at the head of the train as always there where exceptions.

When fitted stock came in loose stock was fitted with a train pipe only so be wary a vacuum pipe doesn't necessarily mean the wagon has continuous brakes.

regards John

Hi David

Thanks for your reply your alter ego isn't by any chance a war-games player that's how they do a lot their buildings and that's easy. 

I never thought of that as a model railway thing, due to the low detail war-gamer's seem to prefer for avoiding damaging them during play.

regards John