Eiretrains

Thank You, "Eiretrains" and answers, much appreciated, and others for comments. Recomended books & videos on order.

Now, a few more Q's If I may.

Q. When did CIE stop using brakevans?

Q. Is there anywhere a date guide/info on CIE freight stock liveries? I've scoured the internet without much success.

No problem! Brakevans on CIE goods trains largely finished up in the late 1970s when the loose coupled stock was withdrawn. One exception though were sugar beet trains which retained brakevans until 1985, when the dedicated beet wagons were upgraded.

After that brakevans only appeared on short trip workings where a van was deemed a useful necessity, mostly for staff and sighting purposes. The last example which regularly employed a van were the short trip workings of diesel fuel between Dublin Connolly and North Wall yard, which finished in 2008.

Sorry can't think of any site which has dedicated, dated, freight/goods stock info. Anyone else?

Q. CIE liveries - Can you tell me when the CIE Supertrain livery came in, please ? I was thinking of modelling mid-60's with Black & Tan liveried locos, but maybe I could stretch it a bit.

 

Q. Anyone recomend a book/video which covers CIE era diesels , please. I've been very disapointed with several book & video purchases which purport to cover the transition of CIE from steam to diesel in the 60's, but, in fact concentrate almost exclusively on steam - not that I've got anything against steam

 

Q. Sugar Beet Traffic - I seem to remember a video concentrating on suger beet, but now I can't seem to find it. Anyone help ?

The CIE Supertrain livery came in 1972, same time the Mk2 coaching stock entered service. There was still Black & tan liveried locos in service up to the end of the 1970s; by 1980 everything was Supertrain.

Regarding books, the recently published Rails Through the West would be right up your street, mostly 1970s and nearly all colour.

Also Irish Metro-Vick Diesels is equally good book, covering 1960s-1970s and onwards. Both books are published by Colourpoint, the latter although out of print can still be picked up.

For Videos, Markle Associates have published several DVDs, featuring some archive footage of CIE from 1970s onwards.

They are also the producer of the suger beet DVD you're probably thinking of.

I'm sure there are other sources. One thing though is that there little published in the way of CIE in the late 1960s diesel era, but the above would be very useful anyway.

The think the Techcrete site there closed a couple years back, as the site is nowadays locked up and derelict. You're right, don't know where I got foundry from. The siding did at one time connect to the Hill of Howth tram, as well as Parsons. The trip workings got a mention in the old Irish Railways News publications. It would have been a nice, but elusive, train to photograph back in the day.

And why the big gap between the platforms? Was there a third track, like Kildare? The bridge doesn't seem wide enough for three...

That's right, there was a middle track between the Up & Down lines, though it wasn't a through running line, but a loop for running around and stabling trains off the Athlone branch, think it remained in situ until the early 80s.

Hi Ciaran,great to see you here.tell me have you seen any photos

Of N McAdams collection particulary of GAA specials over the north

Wexford in September 1963 when 141s operated over the then closed

Line.I spotted a lovely shot at sparrowsland taken by Norman at the

Wexford show-I wonder was there any more?.

Cheers Eamonn, glad to see you here too, just sent you a message.

Yes Parsons Ltd of Howth manufactured some of CIE's freight stock. The first were 27 of the barytes ore wagons in 1968. Then in 1972 came five Burmah oil tankers, and finally 13 ballast hoppers in 1977. Some of the finishing of the wagons was done by CIE at Inchicore. The foundry and siding was there long before 1966, handling imported scrap metal I think. It was disconnected in 1980 although the track remains in situ at the disused site.

thanks for that eiretrains...good to see you here! bty, did you come accross any pics of mullingar during the black and tan liveried era?

Thanks, regarding Mullingar, no photos of that location, although others may have such as Barry. If you don't have it already, From CIE to IR book also has the occasional 1970s era photo, although it is predominantly features the 1990s era.

eamonn, the rails around dublin- does it contain pics of the freight yard at heustton/north wall? love to get pics of the E class in action

I agree with Eamonn, both Rails Around Dublin and Michael Baker's Railways of Dublin Past & Present would be a very good help to anyone interested on the Dublin scene covering, mostly 1970s-1990s. Baker's book in particular features each yard area in the North Wall over the years and includes E Classes shunting and on transfer goods workings. Only thing I point out (for modelling terms) is that both publications are B&W, as opposed to colour which we've been spoilt with in Rails through the West.

Yes they were bud i dont know the history behind it but i suspect some one will tell us.

I believe they were; reported in the IRRS June '93 journal [New Freight Traffic: 22 oil wagons have been modified to carry molasses in bulk from Foynes. This traffic started in early 1993 on an occasional basis to Mullingar...]

I might assume at the time that some of these oil tank wagons were surplus from the previous cessation of traffic to Oranmore, Foynes, Drogheda etc..