For those, like me, interested I livery variations, or strict accuracy in placing a layout in a historical setting, it's worth noting a few details of when a new colour scheme comes in and when the last example is seen of the old. There will obviously be an overlap period when both the old and new run together, as not every single loco, carriage and wagon will all be changed at once.
This can lead to a surprisingly varied lot, all in the one pace at the one time, thus in turn determining the period and place within which we might like to set our layout.
For example, let's look at a few.
Just after a new administration or change of paint scheme comes in, would be the best time to base a layout requiring maximum variety.
Our first one is just after the GSR has been created, let's say it's 1926 or 7, and it's based at the intersection of several old companies, like Limerick Junction, Waterford or Claremorris. LJ has ex-GSWR and ex-WLWR liveries, plus the new GSR on some stock of both of companies. Claremorris has GSWR and MGWR, while Waterford has DSER and GSWR as well as WLWR.
A layout based on the latter could have two locos from each company. One in DSER lined black, another in the very different GSWR lined black and another in WLWR lined crimson. A representative from each company's stock is newly outshopped in GSR all-over grey. Carriages have WLWR crimson, DSER maroon, dark GSWR crimson lake and GSR maroon; forty shades of maroon. Four, anyway.
Goods stock is in DSER grey, GSWR black, WLWR dark grey and GSR lighter grey.
Fast forward to 1963, Belfast. Older "red hand" emblems and full crests are both to be seen on UTA coaching stock, and a few in GNR brown and navy/cream are still about. Blue GNR locos, though filthy, are side by side with a few GNR black locos and also locos turned out in the very attractive UTA lined black, while CIE diesels pass through on the "Enterprise" and goods trains - locos may still be dirty silver, lighter green, all-black, 121-grey, or black'n'tan, while thier carriages might be GNR navy / cream, GNR brown, CIE silver, black'n'tan or green.
Goods stock is UTA dark grey, GNR mid grey or CIE light grey - though, of course, for accuracy it's mandatory that ALL UTA goods stock is very weathered!
It's CIE, 1949-53. A handful of coaches are still in GSR maroon (though the brown and cream is long gone). Most are the (dark version) of CIE green; silver and light green have yet to appear. While most locomotives are plain grey, a few express passenger and Dublin suburban locos are beginning to appear in lined green.
I'm not sure exactly when the three 800 class were repainted, but we could say one is in GSR "blue-green" and the other two the dark CIE green.
Fast forward ten years and all together at the one time especially in the Dublin area, we have -
Steam Locos: GNR black both lined and unlined, GNR blue, CIE grey, well-weathered CIE green and the occasional one of certain classes only in CIE black.
Diesel Locos: silver, light green, one A class only in dark green, 121-grey/yellow, black, black'n'tan, and black with yellow ends (A and C). And, of course, the GNR diesel in navy blue.
Carriages: GNR brown, GNR navy & cream, CIE dark green on old wooden stock, CIE light green, silver, UTA green.
Goods stock all still grey apart from a few types of UTA in brown; mainstream CIE brown starts about 1970....
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For those, like me, interested I livery variations, or strict accuracy in placing a layout in a historical setting, it's worth noting a few details of when a new colour scheme comes in and when the last example is seen of the old. There will obviously be an overlap period when both the old and new run together, as not every single loco, carriage and wagon will all be changed at once.
This can lead to a surprisingly varied lot, all in the one pace at the one time, thus in turn determining the period and place within which we might like to set our layout.
For example, let's look at a few.
Just after a new administration or change of paint scheme comes in, would be the best time to base a layout requiring maximum variety.
Our first one is just after the GSR has been created, let's say it's 1926 or 7, and it's based at the intersection of several old companies, like Limerick Junction, Waterford or Claremorris. LJ has ex-GSWR and ex-WLWR liveries, plus the new GSR on some stock of both of companies. Claremorris has GSWR and MGWR, while Waterford has DSER and GSWR as well as WLWR.
A layout based on the latter could have two locos from each company. One in DSER lined black, another in the very different GSWR lined black and another in WLWR lined crimson. A representative from each company's stock is newly outshopped in GSR all-over grey. Carriages have WLWR crimson, DSER maroon, dark GSWR crimson lake and GSR maroon; forty shades of maroon. Four, anyway.
Goods stock is in DSER grey, GSWR black, WLWR dark grey and GSR lighter grey.
Fast forward to 1963, Belfast. Older "red hand" emblems and full crests are both to be seen on UTA coaching stock, and a few in GNR brown and navy/cream are still about. Blue GNR locos, though filthy, are side by side with a few GNR black locos and also locos turned out in the very attractive UTA lined black, while CIE diesels pass through on the "Enterprise" and goods trains - locos may still be dirty silver, lighter green, all-black, 121-grey, or black'n'tan, while thier carriages might be GNR navy / cream, GNR brown, CIE silver, black'n'tan or green.
Goods stock is UTA dark grey, GNR mid grey or CIE light grey - though, of course, for accuracy it's mandatory that ALL UTA goods stock is very weathered!
It's CIE, 1949-53. A handful of coaches are still in GSR maroon (though the brown and cream is long gone). Most are the (dark version) of CIE green; silver and light green have yet to appear. While most locomotives are plain grey, a few express passenger and Dublin suburban locos are beginning to appear in lined green.
I'm not sure exactly when the three 800 class were repainted, but we could say one is in GSR "blue-green" and the other two the dark CIE green.
Fast forward ten years and all together at the one time especially in the Dublin area, we have -
Steam Locos: GNR black both lined and unlined, GNR blue, CIE grey, well-weathered CIE green and the occasional one of certain classes only in CIE black.
Diesel Locos: silver, light green, one A class only in dark green, 121-grey/yellow, black, black'n'tan, and black with yellow ends (A and C). And, of course, the GNR diesel in navy blue.
Carriages: GNR brown, GNR navy & cream, CIE dark green on old wooden stock, CIE light green, silver, UTA green.
Goods stock all still grey apart from a few types of UTA in brown; mainstream CIE brown starts about 1970....
Just a few; I'm sure there are many more.
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