Robert Shrives

The brass/ NS ones have great underframe details - are they sitting on Comet chassis or perhaps an recent RTR affair?

Robert 

Hi 

A couple  of thoughts   The Bchmann bogies will convert to 21mm as have thin bogie side mouldings allowing re-wheeling. The coaches are of a type used on just a couple of rakes - if not one only.  but have seen preserved use with RPSI stock in a green -albeit perhaps dark compared to CIE greens.

Lima on the other hand do an older moulding of the MK2b which are cheap for resprays but bogies are more of a problem to change and have thicksides without flush glazing. These coach types were used by NIR for its 1970s Enterprise stock .

The air con stock - Murphy models do all the right models and being based on Bachmann principles would be easier to change but are at a higher price due to limited run and popularity.

The Airfix/ Hornby  2D air con stock is a good model   and with current models having flush glazing are quite cheap so could respray  as if CIE green ruled over orange and black - but you do  not get the range - with only  a first, second and secondopen brake available .   These  models make the basis for the Gatwick stock used by NIR in 90s. But have detail differences - perhaps the yet to be released Bachmann MK2e stock will be better. - but given price increase these will be possibly over £40 a coach.     

With a rule one layout and amended backstory of CIE development perhaps the NIR coaches could have prompted earlier demise of older stock  and a later introduction of black and tan could explain a green CIE  MK2b behind a silver A class..

Robert   

On 9/11/2018 at 10:53 AM, Warbonnet said:

We were wondering how long it would take someone to notice those...  

and very nice they are too.  Just need to see you start on "A "locomotive project  - but perhaps after the weedkiller/EGV coach finishes exercising the collective..    

Good news - an 8113 body would be good and any other body plus a pair of 071 bogies and 071 handrails.

Thanks for all your efforts - I know what sorting stores is like !

Robert

On 9/12/2018 at 7:55 PM, BosKonay said:

Absolutely. The chips will work just fine on DC and you can also use the physical switches. 

Great,  "A" class(ic) option then . ! 

Chips for me - its future proofing.  

The only question has to be are they happy to be on a normal DC  layout - having had some in N that DCC only and stop the loco working on DC only up to the latest Bachmann sound class 40 that is happy on both and gives simplified sound on DC. 

Keep up the good work - and off topic  thanks for the cemflo in N!

Well  completely left sided this weekend. At TINGS at Leamington  Spa  - The International N gauge show was a layout - I guess 5 foot by 3 foot called Balykeale . In N gauge were 3d print 071/111 locos,  cement bubbles 2700 series railcar, air con MK2 and MK3  rakes , sorry no photos but hopefully somebody will know  more .  

It ran well  and attracted a good crowd and showed what is possible in 2mm scale . A pleasure to watch  it every time I passed by as a steward over the weekend. 

Good looking trays, will you line with acid free tissue paper and have card slips between coaches ? or foam buffer protectors,

I have done all three - albeit in G1 , I use JB foam in N gauge which with a card base is very good.  

Just to add to all an opus project of great standing and brilliant executed. A case of the 5Ps at work

On 8/17/2018 at 11:45 AM, Railer said:

Go Dutch on first date.

Ha  I was going to say " wrong generator !!!!!  I will get my coat " but beaten to it above !  

Still saving for these having bought two wagon kits last week ... 

It is "A" no brainer in my little world of innocence but I am sure its a mountain to climb for all concerned.

Robert  

9 hours ago, jason brady said:

I bought the EGV from the original batch and added the white lining so i could run it with my IE Mk2's, and to be honest i can't tell the difference when there sitting beside each other. Looking at the pics Railer posted the problem with the black line seems to be sorted but the shade of orange looks no darker to me than it did previously.

Exactly what I did.  These coaches make a good "canvas" for starters , sure they will sell well as a result and cover a wider historical range.  

Try this side of the water ! With retro liveries with a modern take and coaches in own railway liveries and mainline locos in fictitious colours . The most striking fun were the Fairburn tanks on the  Lakeside and Haverthwaite railway in CR blue.  When Bachmann did a limited edition it to their surprise and relief flew off the shelves. 

Another view is that paint is there to stop rot and rust - function over form.  On the Ffestiniog and Welsh highland loco repaints have been sponsored and done for fun- Purple  Moose beer tanker as an example.  But what we found was that despite having    historic items and information many of the public were just travelling for enjoyment whilst on Holiday, not for enlightenment and education on history and development.  As long as ride was good and it had a "steam train" on the front all were happy.  Just proving you can take a horse to water ....  

If the DCDR can keep head above water while being custodian of historical artifacts as long as the history is told correctly having stock in good order  then perhaps livery details can slide or be an improvement on  plain black or green.   I too had noticed the 80 class but to have it at all is a great bonus and when repainted say in 10 years time it can be tweaked or perhaps changed to  celebrate another part of its long life.

Each to their own ?   

Well they look really nice and I would buy if I had some money spare .I am sure they will fly off the shelves and quite a few will get white lines added !  On reflection if I do not eat for a couple of weeks I could afford a couple...  

Hopefully a bit of glue and elastic bands will pull roof down - not a "deal breaker" compared to getting the black band sprayed well and parallel  which afflicted a few of the earlier batch.  

As noted     just need the 121 to land - must be soon as I have started gluing bits on my kit.  As oft banged on about the A class would be fine as well !!!! 

Patrick,

Good for you for stepping up. It was a matter of minutes ago  I looked at the thread and was wondering on any news and you posted - thanks !  Good to read work slowly progresses - no point in rushing these things.

Have a good time and hopefully not too many sleepless nights !!

Robert  

Hi 

In the tomb "BR MK2 coaches " by  Micheal Harris , on page 98 if refers to the maroon as Morocco maroon and the blue as Caribbean blue, with a white waistband.  Yes the class 80 looks super- I wonder if the RAL or similar could be obtained from  the staff at York Road paint shops. 

Robert    

"A"  good move for extra sales hope it works out  ....  It would be good to know from the experts on here how much crossover time for having both CIE and IR liveries possible  in the same working.  

Robert   

Hi 

Just back from a few days in Wales  and in answer to Leslie`s comment. I can happily confirm the kits are really easy to build and make up is well thought out - but after 40 years messing in the hobby I can say  that.

If you want to start with kits good old airfix are hard to beat (see what I did there!) but many others are available and no need to start with railway subjects.  Also the downloadable Scale scenes card kits (others available) are a good area to learn cutting and gluing skills.

Time will be an issue but 10 minutes here and there are not too had to find - and time spent thinking about how to are not wasted if you get on with it - modelers are often afflicted with a level of procrastination  that make governments look good !

The beet kits have a resin skin or flash on the bracing and brake gear  but this helps keep all bits together and can with a sharp scalpel be cleanly  removed. The basic chassis and body glue together - two items and basic wagon is done.  Adding brake gear, buffers, bracing parts and couplings  work of 20 minutes after a 20 minute cleaning up session. a super glue - thick/ gel type worked for me.      

Using a good photograph aided fitting the internals as no ledges to help position - but if you run loaded not needed as buried in beet! 

Painting was with a can of Halfords grey primer - inside and out followed by a bauxite primer , matt varnish to seal and then a gloss as a base in areas where the transfers go.  Wheel middles I hand painted in rust. track dirt and inserted and fitted kaydee couplings - see thread on here about that ,  

I did a rake of 5 spread over a month or so.  It is a relaxation hobby ( so we are told) so no need to rush - except  in the 48 hours before an exhibition...... you know who you are ! 

As fuel prices hike and home gown food returns as the base  of staple diets we will rue the day  of these changes - but I guess its progress.

Quite amazed at the cheek of requiring to pay 20 euro to exercise a democratic act of protest against a state run organisation you fund as taxpayers. Heads have physically rolled for less in other nations .

No doubt  it helps folks but really does traffic levels and inconvenience caused justify it , an already step free station exists and this goes away from it by more than a country mile.  Savings ? Somebody will surely have to cost build and maintenance  costs  of the building and lifts/ bridges over pointwork and track maintenance costs. 

I recall the suggested savings on a loop on a preserved railway and when I asked about the gold bearing lub oil prices quoted the who argument  fell over with a loud crash !  As no labour savings were anticipated in the project and another loop to built further along the line the only savings would be on lubricants ... I wonder if  much the same wool is being knitted here.   

Those of you in the Isle may see things differently and I hope not to have caused offence with this post from a very casual  observer from Birmingham - where many things are not much better !! 

Hopefully the history of the vehicle will allow some Accurascale crossover with Mk 1 bullion van or catering item like an RKB to "cross subsidise" the project. the MK5 bogie and basic underframe and vehicle ends might crossover. 

Certainly for me non availability will not be an issue having now got a fox and brass sides EGV to hand one could go yellow easily enough. 

Keep up the good work - specially in the bar .... 

Hi ,

I have to say having dealt with Hattons for 30 years then no real problem - having taught them that all deliveries by Royal mail- as I can get to sorting office easily other carriers have been much more awkward.  Website even as updated does what it says on the tin and I use XP.  Phone staff and emails have been good with out fail.  

clearly other mail order houses are available with Rails of Sheffield. Cheltenham  trains, Gaugemaster, Peters Spares to name just 4 I have used without problem.    

I have used the Hattons second hand service no problem and the returns system has worked well when  items  returned when wrong item came - only once it has to be said.  I would ring and discuss. I would expect and offer to swap for another wagon will work out better.   My last trade in netted funds for two 201 locos!

Robert    

Er -- Tanks for that image !? Looking good - flex pipe- alloy casting perhaps this would allow a little flex when constructed and add a little individuality to each build as I am certain the hoses lay changes with movement. The inter vehicle hoses self colour nylon with magents moulded in ends for attaching to each other?

Yes for the MK 1  but can you make the sprayer work - diliute pva ?? DCC of course  - joking !! 

Hope your modelling mojo does not melt in the heat plenty of suitable fluids available  I imagine down the local for "an afterwork."     

Thanks Robert 

On 6/22/2018 at 9:25 PM, K801 said:

will IRM offer RTR beet wagons at some stage?

I would say its a dead "beet" the good gents will as I am in the throws of finishing my kits !!  Thinks " now if I start my A class kit ?" 

Robert 

The signal cabin does look good and very nicely coloured. I might have one stashed away as well, now I know what for !  I guess we are lucky that signal suppliers often supplied the building - or at least a drawing and or railways had "house style"  for long periods of time.  Now you will need to add the rodding and boards !!  In Uk we have several options from kit and etch suppliers but I guess you will "knock up " something great using local parts and you magic !

Thanks for the update, it is honestly a source of inspiration .

Robert  

Well just started numbering mine and all bar the white running number not on the read ground  have found homes but this "fellow" defeats !  I have looked at two DVDs 4 books and a quick canter on the interwebthingy and cannot find a good set of clear top down photos - I have the feeling the number was so the elevated operators at Wellingtonbridge could indulge in wagon spotting, just cannot prove it.

Hardly OCD head exploding but if anybody can help ...?

thanks

Robert