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Problem solved.

The coupler of B135 seems to be glued.

The ones of B 121 could be removed easily as I expected by the form of coupler attached to truck.

Guess which one I tried first and then wrote the question

Hi

This info is a great help. Thanks!

But I got stuck with removing the coupler from bogie (truck).

Does anyone know how to (without damaging the model)?

thanks in advance!

Just an update. I am still in search of my slides of the train trip in 1990 to share them here after scanning. Seems I have stored then too good.

Hi to all

With the kind support of WRENNEIRE (source) and murphaph   (transport) I  recently got 2 different 20' container.

(these are screenshots from IRM shop)

The orange CIE one has a number printed on as also all the keg cages have prototypical different numbers.

The other one, a blue LYONS just has the name on it but no number.

Is this prototypical?

I know IRM does a lot of investigation on the lettering.

Could anyone help and give some prototypical informaton on the IRM LYONS container?

All that Google gives to me are either IRM model images or a linkt to this forum with one picture of an unnumbered LYONS on a 4 wheel container flat.

I can see that one container wear the height info in upper right corner of the door. This would match to the 2 LYONS container of set IRM1067CT-CIEB and prove the excellent work of IRM investigation.

Are these the only 2 20' LYONS that ever existed?

both of this thread:

Thanks to all that might put a light on this.

mission accomplished!

On 16/12/2022 at 11:55 PM, Sven-E said:

I have used break fluid to great effect. However some other people have reported that it affected the plastic. As mentioned above, different models need different treatment. Start with something weak to be on the safe side and if that doesn't work, go to stronger liquids. Sorry I don't have enough experience to rank the various liquids.

I can report that it affects plastic. I had a Bachmann DD40X which had far too much yellow paint on it filling all details. I am not sure if the plastic is PS or ABS. Soaked it in brake fluid once and removed 70% of the paint. So I soaked it a second time. With brushing off the paint I noticed the plastic shell became brittle and I "removed" some steps. I did the same with a Atlas and Kato shells without beeing able to remove the paint as well as the plastic (it is ABS) was not harmed. All I could remove from Kato shells was the printing. By this experience I decided the Bachmann was PS.

Hi Mike

Which original date had the picture of New Irishlines Magazine you posted once?

I would like to understand when the Murphy Brothers 7 plank vehicles were in use.

Thanks!

MikeO wrote:

>Gentlemen thank you for your contributions to this issue. I will keep my Murphy Bros wagon as is for now( a mustard/yellow colour).

>I have found a copy of the extract and photo from the New irishlines magazine (have not got the issue number to hand).

>as this is already in the public domain with appropriate permissions it should be safe to have it on the forum.

Thanks. I did not notice the early 121 had no MU equipment. Good to know.

@ jhb171achill

Regarding the gray B121 I'd like to ask if it would be possible to have a double header with a B&T B181?

murphaph mentioned you might know.

Mixed liverey double header are quite often pictured with the later liveries. But with an early gray B121?

The loco is new and just test run as well as placed for the gray vans image.

I am looking to swap her for a later livery class 121 (MM) or class A (IRM).

Any other black/tan/orange livery but the IE "3 pin plug" is welcome.

She is located in Southern Germany.

I placed the 1/80 JNR 12' with 2 keg cages on the IRM flat.

Then I made a comparison image of 3 H0 related scale loads.

The rear side is aligned to be flush.

By the lack of an 00 container I took the keg cage which I assume to be as wide as a container.

Conclusion: Direct contact of JNR 1/80 and 00 1/76 should be avoided. Mixing with distance might be a workaround but not really good. At least the mounting lugs do not meet the container corners, not even nearly.

It will need at least 2 or 3 pint of Guinness to accept, I think.

This is my whole 4 wheel wagon fleet plus the toad (to become an Irish free lanced brake van).

Which gray is more correct for CIE? The gray of the Marks wagons or of the toad?

And which road numbers would be more prototypical than the 510, 315 and 413D for the gray ones and which ones for the brown 2001s?

Also when were the 7 plank Murphy wagons on the prototypical track?

First of all: thank you for the freight and 121 livery information.

This helps alot.

Just got the notice: 121 and 135 arrived at the parcelshop for pickup.

I'll place them on the rails tonight and make a picture of my current 4 wheel freight rolling stock (correction: the 3 Magnesite will not be part of it) and the green bogie coaches I have.

With posting these pictures here they will carry the question for more correct numbering of the freight wagons.

I have got 7 or 8 wagons of 3 different types (open, van, cattle) in gray and brown from Marks bought in 2001. At least all the gray vans have identical roadnumber 2001 as well as the other vans have identical numbers.

Some decals from Studio Scale Models will help to improve the appearence - with your help.

Hopefully I will not fall in disgrace or receive a warning point here because of the following non-prototypical step:

I also bought a discounted 6 wheel "Toad" (Oxford Rail) to make a gray free lanced brake van. This is just because I loved the appearence of the Toad (and the discount). I will add duckets as it seems to me that all CIE brake vans had them. After I understood the ton assignment of CIE brake vans I will select a "could have been" lettering.

This is a fine hint! Thanks. I have to be careful not to extend my CIR/IR interest beyond the 1990 memories plus some nice extras. The old time freight shall be an exemption as well as the 3 green RPSI coaches I never saw in reality.

May I ask if the gray flying snail class 121 would ever have some brown wagons with broken wheel in tow?

15 hours ago, murphaph said:

There are (currently) no "highly detailed" RTR models of an equivalent standard to the Murphy Cravens available but Silverfox Models do RTR models that may be acceptable:

http://silverfoxmodels.co.uk/ir-ie-generating-steam-van-ex-br-mk1-bsk/

http://silverfoxmodels.co.uk/ir-ie-generating-steam-van-ex-br-mk1-bck/

http://silverfoxmodels.co.uk/ir-ie-generating-steam-van-dutch/

The alternatives are to build one yourself or wait until Murphy or (perhaps more likely) IRM releases one of the above.

Because I have toooooo much projects or kits for my JNR collection and still some plans (and already material) for US diesel kitbashing I have to keep my hand from any DIY items for CIE.

I just want to have the 1990 memories in 1/76 plus some trains I saw on films an my investigation about CIE/IR (Fertilizer I saw in Cork, Guinness (I like to enjoy), old time freight with a gray 121 and a brake van).

I'll only intent to do some new lettering by transfers of my 4 wheel wagons (flying snail livery but always the same roadnumber) and maybe some weathering.

Therefore I'l probably wait until IRM will offer something or decide for a RTR Silverfox van and do some heavy weathering

New question: What is the difference of BCK and BSK? Why is the third called dutch?

7 hours ago, murphaph said:

Cravens in 1990 needed the generator van for lighting. When they were originally introduced they had their own dynamos and batteries to provide light, with heat coming from the steam generator, either a steam loco or a steam generating van if hauled by a diesel. Later the Cravens were converted to "train line" with power routed through the train from a central source, the generating steam van. Even the shortest 1 coach branch line Craven train would have had a GSV in tow in 1990.

Thanks. Which 00 scale GSV could be recommended to fit to my 1990ies craven replacement train? Should appear not too deviating from the Murphies IE livery and detailling.

The brakes were different - Now I see another detail I had not in focus.

THX!

Maybe I could use the JNR 12' if they were in 1/76 but Japan H0 is 1/80 running on 16.5mm to represent a compromise of the 1067mm prototypical gauge.

In my JNR collection there are alot of them that are not needed as car loads because they got replaced by 12' Tanktainer.

I need to check how it looks like. The difference 1/80 versus 1/87 is more than obvious and looks awful.

But the 1/76 vs. 1/80 without a 00 container in direct contact might be feasible. I'll report the result.

But not before I have got some 1/76 containers.

Thanks!

Are there any affordable Uniload Cubes in 1/76 ?

Could it be that the late train with Craven Coaches replacing the scheduled train ran without a generator van?

If the generator van is a must to run the Cravens by night I have to search for a generator van for my train in my collection.

I just received my first IRM wagons. A pair of Guinness Kegs, a pair of Fertilizer Wagons and three Magnesite Wagons.

The Kegs sit on a 42' flat which I think is the same flat car as for container loading.

Did they ever mixed container and kegs on a single car?

I ask because my JNR container flats carrying 4 or 5  12' container look similar. These carry often 12' and 20' container mixed on one car.

Has Irish Rail contaier shorter than 20'?

--> I just saw the 10ft Uniload cubes.

Did Irish Rail ever mix kegs cages and a 20' container or 10ft Uniload cubes?

Also did a flat ever run with less than 5 kegs cages?

Thanks to you for your patience with my questions.

And hopefully this had not been a topic here - other wise I'll blame my self for a poor research.

Good to know. I think this part is not fixed to one end of the flatcar. Otherwise the container would have to be turned before placing on the flat.

You're right. I did not see then freight trains - I heard them by night. First when we were B&B near Killarney (north of Killarney if I remember right). Never saw a train by day.

The container car has this part on one side.

What is it for?

In 1990 I did not see notice any container car - just the MK3s, Cravens, some Fertilizer trains and the trains at Heuston & the DART DMUs.

Thanks in advance for any support.

PS: I hope it is not illegal to use a modified screenshot of an IRM picture here.

By BSGSV's reply I understood now that the MK3 were on intercity service Cork-Dublin(Heuston) in 1990 @ around 10:xx leaving. This matches to my memories as I tend to be sure I rode on a MK3 (bright interior).

The Cravens had been backup in common.

Unfortunately BSGSV wrote the late train would have been with MK2 but not if b/c or d.

Were the MK2c/d not assigned or released for this intercity service?

Any further information is real fun to me.

Anyway thanks to all the suppor I get here!