Dead Kennedy

1 hour ago, Warbonnet said:

We certainly wont rule it out, we have a lot to get out there first of course with all the 42ft stuff, A Class etc but we will likely do another announcement programme in the Spring to outline what we have coming up after they're all out of the way. Hopefully this time the snow doesnt scupper it! 

Cheers,

Fran

OK, Thank you 

Alan

Hi, will IRM venture into Park Royal/Laminate production in future years or is the only option to be IFM? 

It would be great to know some medium long term plans (presuming all going well) for budgeting purposes/ happy thoughts, i suppose i mean by that Sulzers, E Class as well as the carriages listed above.

15 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

I had an idea that the writing was in a lime green colour on a white background initially, certainly when I first saw them. However, the above (superb) photo shows a brand new one, and the writing could hardly have faded to the above colour in that short time - or is the writing not complete, ie what’s showing above is an undercoat orcrcperimental colour?

Discuss......!

Yes, Lime Green is correct. Check the IRRS archive page, it has a shot of one in its title picture

2 hours ago, Warbonnet said:

Well we tooled the correct lid for them, and we have a couple of SuperTrain A's on the way in the not too distant future.... 

We're coming up on 70% sell out on these beauties already, and we're doing our best to keep up with demand. Thanks to everyone for the support! 

Cheers,

Fran

That would be brilliant, Thank you Fran/IRM

The Tara Mines wagons look absolutely brilliant. Well done.  I am hoping that the original versions in blue will be released in the not too distant future?

On 11/18/2018 at 12:00 PM, Warbonnet said:

We probably will do it in a future run if demand is there, we didn’t want to do A1 twice in the same rn as we’re already doing her in silver of course, but nothing to stop a future run!

Would be great to see 001 in Supertrain livery. I would love to see several more in this livery as a number of goods/ freight sets alone are almost specific to this loco/livery: Fertilizer, Taras: original blue & 2nd roof Tara's, Ammonia, various mineral trains, early Liners (with baby GMs), as well as many passenger hauled ( esp Suburban) trains. 018 is going to be running a lot of train sets from the early 70s to mid 80's at the same time!!!

Also, 018 and A23R will be the only two models to share the same design configuration?, i.e. redesigned roofs with original windows/cab lamps/no caws/ snatchers, hopefully more class numbers will be produced once the design has been approved? 

I would certainly buy four or five more in this important and long lasting livery/ configuration.

On 11/8/2018 at 11:20 AM, Sails said:

I had sent my six coaches off to get weathered and just got word back from the service provider that one set of wheels is missing from the diner coach. I had only opened two to view and never opened the diner so the delay in finding this out is my own fault.

The gent has contacted MM about it for a replacement, but would it also be worth advising the retailer? 

Anyone else had a similar situation with these or any other MM rolling stock

 

Mark

Hi Mark, how did the MKIIs turn out and can you recommend a good weatherer?

Surprised to see the yellow-pannelled MV is the slowest seller. I think it will look the best upon production and will be subsequently much sought after, after it's release; it's main problem will be rolling stock availability/suitability. Mixed goods for now. Hopefully Park Royals/ Tin Vans to come...ps IRM, would look great on a future release of B113/4 or on the C Class

You could introduce Mandy to one of the 60 beauties above but we're going off track here

37 minutes ago, flange lubricator said:

Is that A42 ?? the damage looks different from this picture

http://catalogue.nli.ie/Collection/vtls000148612/Home?lookfor=a42&submit=Apply

37 minutes ago, flange lubricator said:

Is that A42 ?? the damage looks different from this picture

http://catalogue.nli.ie/Collection/vtls000148612/Home?lookfor=a42&submit=Apply

16 minutes ago, Eiretrains said:

 

The A42 was the loco involved in the Mullingar accident referenced below by in earlier posts of this thread. The picture of it at Carlisle Pier dated 1962 I always thought may be suspect(!), given the black & tan stock, as it more reminiscent of the way the engine emerged from Inchicore post-1963 in the dark green unlined livery. This is believed to be the last A Class to remain in green in the 1960s.

 

A1 (new)

Some of these images may be useful, they are the running nos. of MVs being produced. 

3 hours ago, Glover said:

One odd thing to note on the A class locos is the absence of a windscreen wiper over the non driving front window ( left hand side as you look at the loco). This appears to be more a feature of their earlier years; something else that didn't work on them?! 

I also remember reading that each loco was given an unofficial pet name; all were female names. That could provide an excuse to justify the purchase :" it's named after you, dear ".

Then weather the thing!!

Cheers,

Glover

4 minutes ago, Colin R said:

Thanks Garfield.

I wonder who might have some drawings of them in that case, it would be a limited market to say the least, but I fancy having one at some time.

Colin

13 minutes ago, Garfield said:

Here they are in order (there was some duplication)...

 

Michelle

Sandra

Susan

Brona

Mary

Gillian

Paula

Laura

Julieann

Edwina

Christina

Deirdre

Vera

Alison

Marina

Marian

Pamela

Carol

Debbie

Frances

Emma

Sinead

Anne Marie

Kathleen

Anne Marie

Kimberley

Clara

Helan

Marietta

Lilly

Claire

Caroline

Annabel

Georgina

Margaret

Heidi

Louise

Catherine

Sinead

Grainne

Barbarra

Tracy

Annie

Michelene

Jennifer

Andrea

Teresa

Carmel

Lorraine

Emer

Mary

Breda

Nora

Janet

Sarah

Iris

Roisin

Bridie

Karen

Anne

Nora was 053, sorry!

1 hour ago, Mayner said:

Removing the wipers on the secondmans side seems to have been a common feature on both the A & C Class during the mid-late 1950s. Metropolitan Vickers electrical equipment had a very good reputation a factor that worked in favour of re-powering rather than replacing the Irish Metrovicks

Possibly an economy measure to save on maintenance and stock up on spare parts when Todd Andrews was running the railways? There is the story about CIE removing half the light bulbs from the C&L "Bus Coach" as an economy measure during the same period.

Well i was in the cab of 001 in Heuston in the 80s and i think she was 'Nora'. Painted script between or just above the windows. Wonder if someone has the names of all 60?

2 hours ago, Railer said:

The buffer beam side sole bar difference stands out. On the lined loco its green but black on the unlined loco.

Hi Railer. I think A11 may be an exception re green side buffer beam. Any others i've seen were black. See back cover image on Carse's book on MVs of A46 at Amiens Street.

Back in black

1 hour ago, jhb171achill said:

Yes - I'd forgotten! 

I was about to start going through old Irish Railway News journals to see what exact details were to be had; memory suggests a lot.

However - broadly speaking....  the experimental "original" black'n'tan on A6, about 1961, was just that  - experimental. The style of lettering font is much thicker than what had been on green and silver locos before, and all the variations afterwards. The white line was different too.

In normal day to day traffic, it's like this.

LIVERY 1

All over silver, bogies and roof  included. No black. Lettering, numerals etc. in light "eau-de-nil" green (not black, as sometimes seen on models). The As and Cs were all delivered like this. By 1959 or so, repaints in green were starting as the silver weathered spectacularly badly, as one might expect; an A photographed beside an 1879-era shabby J15 in 1960 would have looked way more tatty than its older cousin. 

LIVERY 2

Light green (post-'55 shade). In some cases they had a waist-level eau de nil line, in other cases not. Snails and lettering eau de nil (not white or yellow, as occasionally seen on models).

Some received the dark green. I am unaware of a single dark green example which did NOT have the waist line, though if anyone can produce evidence of this, I'd be interested to know. All over plain green would have looked exceptionally dull and would have been made worse by dirt and oil stains. As on the light green, eau-de-nil waist line and numerals etc.

LIVERY 3

In the initial stages of black'n'tan, full waist high tan was applied. This is not to be confused with the LATER high tan, applied to some locos but not all, after re-engining. It is probable that not all locos received this, as the all-black (with white flashes on the ends) was started soon after. So, by 1963-6, most are all black, many having come to this straight from green. A few are high-tan sides.

LIVERY 4

All-black with yellow patches on the ends. This seems to have appeared about 1964 or so (would need to check date) and not all locos were treated. Thus, by the late 60s when the re-engining programme started, almost all were black, with or without the yellow patch. Numerals on the yellow patch were always black.

LIVERY 5 / 6

Once fitted with GM engines, and re-designated AR class, a FEW got the high sided tan; but most got the low band of tan. As mentioned above somewhere, this seemed to match the other locos. The dirt and oil stains were nothing like as bad as in Crossley engined days. 

LIVERY 7

Supertrain. Orange and black, no white lines, CIE "roundels" on ends ONLY. Initially, numerals on the ends were white shaded orange, but the shading disappeared quickly, replaced by plain white.

LIVERY 8

Post 1987, the "Tippex" livery came in. Same orange, same black, same paint style, but with white lines above and below the black added. Given budgetary constraints at the time, the advent of IE didn't herald a total new livery - they just amended what they had with the white lines, hence the name "tippex", invented by someone at Inchicore. This was to imply that the new IE couldn't afford anything to paint locos except a bottle of Tippex, a correcting fluid in common use in those times.

During this time, occasional livery variations occurred. It was by no means uncommon to see a loco still in the old CIE "Supertrain" livery, no white lines - but a new IE logo on the sides and / or ends. I have a pic in "Rails Through the West" of a loco  somewhere between Ennis and Athenry with a CIE logo on the front and an IE "set-of-points" on the sides! 

They never survived to get the large "Three-Pin-Plug" IE logo.

With considerable overlaps, to determine which engine switched from one livery to another at what time, there appears no complete database which shows this. I've seen photos of (FILTHY!!) silver ones in 1961/2, which would have gone straight to black. In the mid 60s, there's still one in green, and the others are variously in all-black, black with yellow end, and probably one or two with the high tan sides. IRM will presumably study photos of the various numbers they want to model, with whatever information is available on when the subject of the model went from one colour to another. Exact precise dates won't be available for all sixty of them, I'm sure. And in all reality, it's probably serious nit-picking to expect that! I wouldn't, even as a "livery freak"....!

(Will Glenderg do one in Donegal red, I wonder?)

 

10 hours ago, Railer said:

Guys, do you have any pics of an A class with the lined green livery, just to see with and without. To me I thought only the C class got the green lined livery. Cheers.

Hi there, will there be further CIE 001 Supertrain releases in the future. 018 looks to be the only one of the 17 announced that would run with early Liner/ Tara Mines/Fertilizer and Ammonia so a minimum of 4 would be req'd. I can double order the same running number but 4 x 018 is a bit conspicuous. Well done on the release announcement - they look absolutely brilliant.

Fran, i think it would be interesting from a marketing point of view to see what the share of interest is at this stage now that IRMs products are up and running like a Jamaican sprinter. I certainly was never polled originally, and as IRM have referred to, a number of people have bought IR/IE because they thought they'd be the only options available and purchased superb models which they could amend - is this giving a false notion of the market share?

Some peoples' golden era was the last years of very battered diesel/ freight motion in Ireland, aka IE but please bear in mind many precious memories preceeded these times for those a bit older: branch lines, signal boxes, CIE innovation in design (which it gets very little credit for) before sterility set in. IE & IR were patch ups of what was left, a few white lines added to cover over in many cases vandalism, wear and tear and little maintenance/ neglect/ cost cutting etc. When i saw the advert in the paper splitting CIE into different entities in the 1980s, like the railway system at the time, the present and future died for me railway-wise.  I think it would be worth while trying a poll on a as not yet produced model on this site to see what would be peoples true 1st choice, e.g. era of A or C Class people would want.

Many have bought ballasts, plough vans etc now and have either modified or do not have the money to spend again on a similiar item. This is fuelling the (in my view) misconception that CIE era lags behind IR & IE in interest. I also know of other modellers who do not use or have moved off this ( in my view excellent & informative) website due to personality issues etc who would collect CIE, there may be far more support out there than you assume but you have not heard their voices?

Alan

Ok, Thank you. 

On 6/15/2018 at 2:55 PM, Warbonnet said:

The issue with that is that we will make a lot more HUOs than 42ft flats that will use these buffers and bogies. As we are doing later iterations of the flat for the spoils, weedsprayer and guinness kegs for example it narrows the focus of these buffers to some liner flats and some ferts and the ridemaster bogies to some flats only, especially as we already have the buffers and bogies tooled as part of the Tara wagon which was built into this overall plan (the flats were always going to be a follow on from the Tara as we first planned it) As I have said it is being considered, but we dont know if the sums add up just yet. It will also delay the project as they will need to be designed and measured. We also see that the demand for supertrain era stock, which these buffers and bogies would fall into, is less than later era, so we have to ask ourselves; "will they sell?". This is down to the experience of what we have sold so far, and our previous customer survey. 

Would it not make sense if you producing in volumes of 500 to split as follows: IE 200, IR 200 and CIE 100?

Hi there, in light of Irish Railway Models announcing CIE ballast hoppers in 2019, i am looking to exchange my four unopened IE/IR sets of ballast hoppers for 3 sets of CIE bubbles; any three from sets B, D, E or F required, multiples are ok but must be in as new condition. IRM still have some of these in stock; by buying 3 sets of bubbles from them you'd be getting four brand new sets of ballast hoppers in return. If you know of anyone who missed out on the ballasts, please let them know,

Thank you,

Alan