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On 18/1/2025 at 6:06 PM, Mol_PMB said:

Many thanks John, that's useful to understand the differences in the panelling.

1. I agree that the 'silver coach' in the railcar set in the Killiney photo is a Bredin, it's a 1331-1334 series GSR suburban composite, and the particular spotting feature is that the end doors open into a seating bay (with a small window each side of the door) whilst the middle door has a vestibule. I can't decide whether it's really silver but it certainly looks that way. There's another colour photo in one of my books of a GSR suburban brake standard in the late 1950s, which also appears to be silver.

2. Agreed, it's a 2162-2171 series composite.

3. The TPOs are interesting, they are definitely a different body profile and I think you've hit the nail on the head for the reason why. Here's another of Ernie's photos with a closeup of one of the 4-wheel ones in silver:

That photo and this IRRS one clearly show the cover strip at the waist:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/54257008899

Somewhere I have some photos of the interior of one of the preserved bogie TPO's, I'll have to dig them out and see if the framing is visible.

 

 

This photo of Ernie's dated 1959, and the IRRS one linked below it dated 1960, I think prove that the later laminates, specifically these two batches delivered in 1958-1960, were painted green from new:

• 1449-1496 standards (8 bays of 8 seats)
• 1909-1913 brake standards

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53499133230

The first photo also nicely illustrates the lack of horizontal strip at the waist as you mention.

 

 

 

Hmmm - 1910! This became the "Loughrea Coach" in 1963, with storage heaters added!

On 18/1/2025 at 1:42 PM, minister_for_hardship said:

Open to correction, but I recall it was coaches in as-built bare aluminium sheet rather than being painted silver.

Correct 

Wondering about the 0.6.0 progress?

The Hattons Genesis stock have gaps between them which must be about 8 scale feet.....

Woohoo! 

My Time Machine is going to have to make one turn up in Dugort Harbour in 1962…..

Pic 1: Claytons on W & T: old dark green with lining.

Pic 2: same on 2nd, 3rd & 4th coaches; lighter on first one.

Pic 3: hard to tell due to light, but very probably older livery, but as with some secondary stock, especially round Cork and on the West Clare, with no lining.

Pic 4: sunlight!!

Pic 5:  Dark green unlined and lighter green.

Pic 6:  Lighter green

Final pic: Railcar in lighter green, old coach in background unlined dark green. 

5 hours ago, Mol_PMB said:

These photos from Ernie and IRRS illustrate '40 shades of green'... 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511443501

This can't all be weathering/fading effects, how many shades of paint were there?

Two. These variations are all from lighting and varying survival of film emulsion.

1 minute ago, Mol_PMB said:

71 would the the other possibility, it survived until 1966. Seen in light green in 1961 a few posts up.

Worth pointing out, too, in general for those with Hattons 6ws in both greens - by the time BnT came in (1962) no passenger carrying vehicles still had the “old” lined dark green, and all of the six-wheelers still in use were by now the light green.

There were still a handful of old vehicles hanging about in sidings, though, in dark green. Last dark green in actual use likely to be on the Clonakilty and Drimoleague-Baltimore branches.

So, a BnT 6-wheel full brake has a quite different use to a green one. It is best matched with green or black & tan IRM Park Royals, and Bredins or laminates either in later green or BnT. An occasional Craven too in the midst of this, though an all-Craven train would stretch credibility.

1 minute ago, Mol_PMB said:

If you've got 69 and 79, I've got 1177 and 18, so there were at least 4

That’s the four, then!

Slight possibility of one more  though; I’d forgotten about 18.

On 15/1/2025 at 10:02 AM, Mol_PMB said:

I have weakened as well, and ordered just one. It will no doubt need widening in both body and wheels. Now I need to do some research into how many actually received black and tan livery, and how different they were from the Genesis model. Should have done that research before purchase really, but as you say it's a case of grab it while you can.

Only 2 or 3 became black & tan, and after the passenger-carrying ones were withdrawn.

So no BnT 6-wheel van ever ran with other six-wheelers!

Only six of these vans were still in use when the BnT livery came into use, and two of these were withdrawn within about 18 months, so probably remained green. Nos. 69, 79 and one more (11xx) were certainly BnT; not sure about the other one. Last two were in use on the Galway mail until circa 1968, and while not officially withdrawn until 1970, certainly looked well out of use by that time.

27 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

I hope they don't fart methane as badly as cows...

I can well remember donkey carts on the Irish roads, often with a couple of milk churns, and the donkey prohibition signs at the start of the motorway (I think there was only one motorway back then).

I remember the donkeys too, often pulling turf trailers!

19 minutes ago, Broithe said:

As long as your donkey passes the methane emission test...

Mine is 4 wheel drive and runs on renewable eco-friendly fuel.

20 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

I hope they don't fart methane as badly as cows...

I can well remember donkey carts on the Irish roads, often with a couple of milk churns, and the donkey prohibition signs at the start of the motorway (I think there was only one motorway back then).

I remember the donkeys too, often pulling turf trailers!

I think we’ll all be back on the backs of donkeys before all this gets sorted…..!

The gentleman who designed this livery in real life (and several others) is a member on here - ye know who ye are! I have no doubt he will be HIGHLY impressed!

Outstanding, simply outstanding.

34 minutes ago, leslie10646 said:

First, and again, thanks for all the kind words. AND the mini-flood of orders, most of which I have shunted into the future, otherwise I'll have no stock for my intended last Northern Ireland appearance.

Really/ Well, Richard, who drives me over to Ireland, and I had a long discussion, slept on it for a couple of nights, did some research and came to a decision.

We can get a decent hotel rate for Bangor (which we knew) and Blackrock (which was a nice surprise), so we'll do this year's two major exhibitions, partly because we DO enjoy meeting you lot over there and we'll treat it as a mini holiday.

I've been cracking the whip over my producers head to get more kits, especially to stock up on zero stock of UTA Spoil wagons, which will go nicely behind the Hunslets as PW wagons. Also two kinds of flats - floored and skeleton. 

I'll order more kits for production during the summer, but these will be mainly to fulfil known requests. So if you want a train of double beets, or CIE Cattle wagons - now would be a good time to say so.

Thanks again for your support of late and over the last 17 years.

Leslie

 

Very many thanks, Leslie, for your absolutely invaluable input into model Irish wagons.

You have been instrumental in assisting many of us in turning train sets into model railways!

12 hours ago, Scaddycopper said:

Have you tried the Banbridge Chronicle as a source for images, also, does the town have a historical society? They can be good sources of information.

Charles Friel, of the RPSI, has done several fascinating talks on this area, and may have images to help. Contact him via the RPSI, maybe?

5 hours ago, Horsetan said:

I'm guessing this is about as desirable as having "Me hole" as temporary Taoiseach again 

Next time it will be Mary Loo Healy Rae.

I wonder would a Crossley rescue it - or would it be the other way round!

Or - I have visions of an ageing SG3 hauling both in disgrace south past Howth Junction.....

Saw this on YouTube a good while ago - apparently he's been working on this for some years! Most ingenious.

1 hour ago, Mol_PMB said:

Just imagine a whole fleet of them, maybe interspersed with a few twin-engined Sulzer monsters! Some of the planned smaller turf-burner variants with B-B wheel arrangement for the branch lines. And a fleet of Drumm battery trains for the suburban services. Everything painted silver!

Now THAT would give him indigestion as well, not to mention a bad case of the Vapours, the Critical Collywobbles, Heeby-Jeebys and Multiple Conniptions....

Had jhbSeniorx2 still been in the Drawing Office, I think he'd be weeping buckets into his porridge at that sight or thought of that thing......

That brake van is really top class!

33 minutes ago, Paddy Mac Namara said:

Thanks for comment, it could be an option, i'm playing around with movements of locos and carriages to get a feel for things, nothing set in stone yet

That's by far the best way to approach the planning stage! If your terminus eventually resembles something like, say, Docklands, you'll have an island platform with two faces. You'd expect trains to leave on one line and arrive on the other, with access to both platforms fropm either.... often, in cases like this, there's an "arrivals" and "departures" side. the arrivals side would need a loop unless there's a shunting loco to release stock on incoming trains.