Junctionmad

Hi. Even though I've moved on to starting a layout based on claremorris ( I'll post the track plan for comments soon) and I'm all over the place due to a house move. ( bit I get an 18 by 14 layout space as a result ! ) , I've ordered a variety of trackwork components to experiment.

I'm using templot to layout the whole layout first, claremorris has 5 crossovers in linear formation, and 27 points in total ( I'm modelling the trackwork in its pre Todd Andrews day with the ballinrobe branch operational

I'm going to build to 00-SF which is a good compromise to allow modern RTR wheels , but with 1mm flange ways , this means reducing the track gauge to 16.2 mm over the point work

I've built lot of points in the past using copperclad , it's still the easiest method but I'm going to experiment with cosmetic chairs added afterwards. I will try the fully plastic chair point too for comparison and in a few weeks I should have some photos

My method is to build the point or point formations , off the layout , on a piece of marine ply, I spray glue the template ( its sacrificial ) layout the PCB sleepers. I build and install the common crossing first, I used to build from out from a stock rail , but nowadays it's , common crossing, wing and flange rail ( using 1mm gauge) , then check rails , then one stock rail , closure rails , switch blades and finally remaining stock rail. The wing rail to check rail is the key dimension to ensure proper running .

The key is to always build to track gauges not the template. In fact I can draw templates by hand. You need about 4-6 gauges and also a flange gauge, and most of all a check gauge

Note that c&l point kits are as standard come with DOGA-fine gauges. This standard will require you to modify a lot of RTR wheels to run successfully. I would not reccomend it for 00. C&L do OO-SF gauges. But they go out of stock frequently, templot will generate 00-SF templates

While I haven't tried it , the issues that seem to crop up with totally non soldered point construction is keeping everything in alignment . Because there is no ridgity in the construction. Some people add PCB sleepers or brass tie bars to help. Personally I think the best comprise is Brooke-Smith ( rivits) and key places on the point , with half chairs and then full plastic chairs. ,my first 00-SF point will be copperclad, with added cosmetic chairs. , well see how that looks. Also bear in mind that the plastic chairs implement the 1:20 rail cant and this can cause spring back when the rail head is trapped in the track gauge during construction, by the way I would wet the template at any stage until the point is in position on the layout , in the past I've also successfully used spray label adhesive remover ( radionics ) to dissolve and remove the template.

I will be mating this to either c&l or exactoscale flexi track ( exactoscale have the 4 bolt GSWR like chair )

If I get halfway to looking like the picture below ( admittedly S4) I'll be happy. Using Oo-SF also allows me to use PECO for fiddle yards and out of sight trackwork

The problem with LJ is that so much of the length is needed in platforms, to support the facing trains etc, that I have no space to accommodate the curves ( around to a fiddle yard) . Claremorris can be tightened up without adjusting operational capacity ( it had fairly short platforms anyway.)

I have claremorris in 15 feet. even if I have to bend the sligo end

Theres stacks of photos, but virtually nothing of the cement store etc, that seemed to be demolished in 2002+

Hi, Im considering changing my future layout to one of claremorris, regenerated in all its glory with ballinrobe etc. Its a station with a reasonable amount of photos on the web

Im looking for a couple of shots in particular, if anyone has access to them

(a) Interior of the signal box, so that I can deduce the naming on the levers.

(b) Sligo end picture of the goods shed with the valance detail

© There is evidence in the 80s of a container crane, yet I only keep seeing glimpses in the corners of photos. Anyone have a shot of the station approaches around that time,

(d) I presume the oil infrastructure in the goods yard was for the nearby oil tanks.

as well as anything not on flickr google etc.

Ive done a layout track plan, tweaking it as the moment. I gave up on limerick junction cause I can't fit the layout into the room I now have in a new house. But this one I might squeeze and it has fascinating operational opportunities, especially as I will operate it circa 1980s, but as it mr andrews never existed

Ive settled on OO-SF as the gauge , with hand built points to get the flow right

thanks again

Good. It has a few quirks. It also has no two aspect colour light signals.

See my limerick junction plan

Interesting. Did the same system ever get used in Ireland

Very nice diorama

Crazy old coot is right but he left us with some memorable oddities.

 

Heres the patent for the triangulated underframe. I've a feeling i've a photo of a crash somewhere showing an open wagon on it's uppers revealing how it worked in practice.

 

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=GB&NR=584858

 

Willing to be corrected by the more knowledgeable, but the cradles on the weedspray tanks are triangulated underframes?

Just brilliant l are there any examples still around

Were they always fitted with instantor couplings

Thanks

Dave

Thanks glenberg I had seen that picture before. Bulleid was a really a crazy old coot. Did the frames run corner to corner.

Dave

Im looking at building a rake of original non braked couugated bulleid wagons. Is there any suitable frame kit, that models the bulleid frame. Is there any close up pictures of the side frame, or are is there a wagon or two knocking around the system that I could examine.

ir maybe Im off to shapeways

dave

so basically , anything could be run with anything on irish railways . !!!!

Thanks for posting that link. Some great footage. The EGV could do with some TLC and lick of paint, but the Cravens look superb. Love the wood in the restaurant car.

They ran with EGVs as well.

ill see if I can take a still from the video

do DC do a resin body of a class A ?

just a comment , non DCC 141 - 181s can be got cheaper new from Dyer.

This is a area that continues to confuse, me . I was watching some of Markle videos recently, I would see coaching sets with all kinds of stuff.

To me the key to indientifying Cravens was the fact that the livery wrapped around the ends, Park royals are easy cause they have the distinctive tumble home ridge. But I also see coaches in these rakes, that are very like cravens, but the livery doesnt wrap around the ends.

AM I looking at laminates, or badly painted cravens or what

I also saw on that video , a Mark 2D set haulinging a dutch van ??

ANy clues

Dave

Ah, I looked for a while, but I just couldn't find it - thought it must be a B2....

definitely not b2 !!

I can't seem to access 21mmp4's albums , that he mentioned ?

dave

You've lost me. What aircraft?

IN one of his recent galleries, he asked for help in identifying a "mystery aircraft "

that aircraft look like a A380 to me

Glenderg, thanks, were the 6 wheeled vans the same basic external arrangement of windows, doors etc, ( i.e. could a 4 wheel van be used) . I understand the 4 wheel van was a Bullied Triangular frame, was that the case for the 6 wheel.

AM I right that next up was the 32xx series of BSGVs ,

thanks

Dave

Thanks.

Could I summarise my understanding of this in pseudo chronological order

4 wheel stream heating , power for heater supplied by dynamo. I gather most of the apparatus was slung beneath the carraige

6 wheel steam heating with power for heater from small generator unit , apparatus mostly inside the body.

These were the last Non generating stock ( ie did not provide AC to the carriages )

32xx series converted from buffet cars I beleive , contains both generator and steam hesting apparatus

( ps what was the purpose of a brake coach in a train braked system by the way )

At this time also the " Dutch " hesting vans appeared , I understand ( correctly or not) that these were a mix of hesting only ( lister fir power) and full HGV

Mk1 heating a d generator coach

Dave

while the 32xx GSVs/Brake Std GSVs were introduced between 1977 and 1980.

I obviously have a gap in my knowledge ( and I asked this elsewhere)

what were the 32xx GSVs/Brake Std GSVs, they are described elsewhere as " converted stock". Where they steam heat and /or electric gen

what I mean is that these ( 32xx series )were not the MK1 BSGVs - right ??, where these the conversions from buffet cars etc , ??, what was the original donor carriage

thanks ( sorry about confusion )

Dave

From a thread you started yourself.... and no, there are no kits for them.

 

http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/3553-Generator-cars-for-irish-coaching-stock-specifically-HLV?p=55502&viewfull=1#post55502

opps thanks

Interesting

this comment was made

"The CIE converted GSV's in the 3201 to 3218 series appear to have been used on the Limerick - Rosslare line trains"

These are not MKI GSVs, what were they converted from

dave

Does anyone produce a kit for this model

in fact Ive seen some pictures of the 4 wheel version, has anyone some pics of the 6 wheel

edit I came across this piece on NewIrishLines

"...... further information on the four CIE 30’ six-wheel heating /luggage vans no. 3153-6, introduced in 1964. The only references to come to light on these vehicles are in the Doyle and Hirsch booklets on Locomotives & Rolling Stock of CIE and NIR, a photograph in Des Coakham’s coaching stock book and a short note in Modern CIE Coaching Stock (paper by D Kennedy, IRRS Journal no. 37, p. 159), saying that they were intended for larger winter trains. They were fitted with two Spanner boilers each capable of producing 1,000lb of steam per hour, with 500 gallon water tanks and batteries (which no doubt accounted for their weight of 28tons 5cwts), but which were mounted inside the bodies rather than underneath as on the better known four-wheelers to allow space for the centre axleguards. Each van also had two 160 gallon oil tanks, one under each headstock, Timken roller-bearing axleboxes and a width of 10’ 2”, The body profile, large windows and grab rails seem uniform with the contemporary Craven’s stock, and they had roof hatches at either end. They seem to have been withdrawn sometime between 1982 and 1987. I only came across two specimens, one at Inchicore on a visit in 1982, one on a Sunday morning Dun Laoghaire-Heuston boat train in May 1980, when I think CIE was suffering a rolling stock shortage and such a service had to make do with whatever was available."

thanks

Dave

Im definitely going to scratch build those, looks great behind a baby GM

what was in the covered bogie hopper