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On 31/12/2023 at 9:37 PM, jhb171achill said:

Raise the bridges or drop the trackbed. IE will be unlikely to even consider either; I doubt even mcManus could fund that.....! As an aside, whether the chimney was a separate casting or bolted on wouldn't actually be an issue either way - it would be thye bridges, now known to be insufficient in height.

What is the current loading gauge on both companies, and what's the height of the chimney top, whistle and safety valves. 

I'm hearing about thoughts of height, but very little actual dimensions to gauge it properly. 

14 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Indeed; thirty years ago such questions were asked (and answered!) regarding No. 74 "Dunluce Castle" in UFTM. Despite incredible hurdles, the overall answer, after all things had been considered very carefully, was "yes". That remains the case. The same answer would apply, in theory, to BCDR 30 there, the GNR 2.4.2T and the derry shunter; as well as "Lough Erne" at Whitehead.

This is what I was afraid of in my initial answer; that I might be seen as one of the majority of "naysayers" as opposed to the few with the miagination to make things happen.

In the case of Maedb, the clearance was some three inches when the track was about 2ft lower; this in itself answers that question. As it was, the safety valves had to be removed en route. A cursory look at the thing shows that shortening of the chimney is not viable.

In the most purist form of theoretical possibility, it's quite possible to run it again - provided Irish Rail either raise the heights of all bridges necessary on the Cork line, or rebuild all the track at a lower level; also, that they build and install sheds and turntables at Dublin and Cork. Other than that, for once the naysayers have their moment!

Is the chimney a separate casting? What you're saying is exactly what I said. I doubt if the chimney is built into the smokebox, it'll be a casting bolted on. Rather than say 'It can't go under bridges', say 'what can be done to get it under bridges?' 

3 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

It barely fitted under bridges before, and being so tall there's no scope to lower the chimney - and the track level is well above what it used to be, so that one's known already. Based on current and recent RPSI jobs, it could be anything from half a million upwards. Yes, as you say, many things could be done to assess and even restore: but nowhere to eventually run it, nowhere to look after it, and unlikely to be an ongoing market of sufgficient level to fund its future needs.

Has it been measured to the current loading gauge? Could a new chimney be cast? The problem with preservation here is that there are plenty who say 'It can't be done', and very few who say 'How could it be done?'. 

The first thing would be to obtain the current loading gauge for the two railway companies and measure the engine. If anything was out of gauge could it be mounted a different way or elsewhere on the engine? Then find out if the axleweight is within tolerances.  Having satisfied ourselves that it could move on the rails, it would require an examination. Would the museum allow an examination?  

There are things that could be done to see if it was feasible, and gauge what sort of finance would be required. 

Hi Paul, I model 16mm/1ft scale in Lisburn. I know there's a small difference but the larger scale narrow gauge world is very accommodating. 

Even amateurs should be able to see who has more tables than they ordered and remove as required. 

There won't be a next time, because that's me finished exhibiting 16mm scale in Ireland. 

6 hours ago, Blaine said:

So you turned up AFTER the show had opened to the public to set up? The organisers had requested that each exhibitor inform them when they would be arriving, either Friday evening or early Saturday morning, yet it appears you disregarded their instructions to be ready 10 minutes before the doors opened.

Also why moan about it on here, after the show had ended? The organisers were on hand for the show and were happy and helpful for any issues to hand. This is one of Irelands biggest Model Railway events, not some small local church hall fundraiser

I was one of the exhibitors in the same row as you and there were tables left for you on Friday evening. Maybe if you had arrived in good time and indicated that they were not suitable for your needs this could have been sorted out

I gathered you assumed everything would be left for you - Never Assume.

And YOU have assumed here too. I was there an HOUR before it opened, others were setting up as well.  As you were there on Friday,  did you see who took them? I was there at 9.00 on  Saturday, I have a life, a family and a job that entails shift work, so a Friday set up is unpractical.  I did seek out an NDMRS person, who got me some tables, but not enough to run on. The tables I had ordered were gone, it  was the replacements that were unsuitable.

I wouldn't take tables that weren't belonging to me, but somebody in the hall did. If that's the mindset that's coming into railway modelling, then I'd rather be out of it. 

A reply to my email that I sent to the organisers on Sunday would be welcome. 

Blaine, yes, that's the reason. I can't remember if I informed them, as Saturday morning is a setting up time, and I was there shortly after the opening time for setting up. 

But that does not negate the onus on the organisers to ensure all exhibitors have what they requested. Either another exhibitor stole my tables, or they were never ordered. I emailed the show organiser on Sunday night, still waiting for a reply. 

My experience at the weekend doesn't match everyone else's. I arrived to set up on Saturday morning to find my tables weren't there.  I'd ordered 3, enough to lay two ovals in my gauge. Three smaller tables were obtained, but they were smaller and I wasn't able to run.  I had put a lot of work in to be ready, and I felt insulted. 

How many of you wish to see my 16mm models, admittedly Irish NG inspired but with the occasional genuine reproduction? 

Jnb, bring it to Bangor for a run! 

Or at my display, it'l be easily found, this banner will be above it! 

I'l be there with my Irish inspired models, and newly acquired Phoenix. 

https://www.ndmrs.co.uk/exhibition.html

Am I the only 16mm Modeller on here? 

Surprised at 77 views and no comments! 

More stock for Killymard! I was given Phoenix, she requires a motor. The Loco is Kerr Stuart inspired, a what might of been for the Donegal. The coach is a Director' saloon, like all my coaches, card built. The final picture was taken at the last North Down Model Show. 

Tried that, It won't let me. Hence my posting that I still have trouble.

It's not easy or straightforward? What sort of forum is this?

I'm having problems uploading uploading pictures as well.

I didn't realise surrealism was required to post. A smell of petroleum prevails throughout

You need to get yourself a garden railway, expensive I know. I have installed a poverty one and I'm glad I did.

That's a myth! A complete set, as a kit, granted, can be bought for less than a sound equipped DCC OO loco.

Hi. Any curves?

Hi

Would anyone have Lehmann 45 mm plastic track?

Thanks

I've put the pics from the weekend on my FB site.

https://www.facebook.com/KillymardElectricMineRailway/

I'll be there with my 16mm Narrow Gauge models. I'll be with the DCDR.