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50 minutes ago, Warbonnet said:

How is it a waste of money if they are enjoyed? It’s not your money, so I really wouldn’t worry about it. Some of them even MAKE money. 
 

No history? I find that a bizarre statement in the least. It’s fantastic to see machines once lost with us again. I really can’t wait to see the new P2 and LMS diesel in particular roll out of the shops.

While I'm happy to see new builds that are of designs no longer with us, I'm not so sure of conversions of existing locomotives to make into other classes.

I do consider the TWO different P2 projects worthwhile as I understand one will be streamlined, the other not and they will use different valve gear.

Perhaps one day someone will do a new build 800?

Then they can give 081 a run for its money at the 'ton' and more! 

5 hours ago, Railer said:

Yeah, I really enjoyed reading the 100mph 071 test run myself, and the fact the 071 still had bit of power left in reserve from what I recall and the driver throttled back to keep it under 105 or there abouts. 

The Mk3A International was rated out to 110mph, I assume that was done with a 201 before the electronic speed limiters were introduced or maybe isolated for the run.

The article also explains why I've seen a few references to 071s not being able to attain 90mph, the nominal maximum being 89mph from the gearing which would mean on worn wheels you'd never quite make 90 on the level, but on new wheels you'd go quite a bit over.

Well these arrived today, less than 24 hours after posting:

Couldn't be more pleased, not only do the earlier ones answer all my remaining Mk III questions, but otherwise solves the 'riddle' of 7140 among other things.

The 100mph test run article is also fascinating to some like myself, what would people pay to be on a 100mph+ tour with a 071 I wonder!

So thanks, to the person who suggested no. 200 for that article.

I plan to summarise my findings in one of my previous threads in due courese for those who are interested and as a thank you for all your help, as it seems the least I can do.

Mysteries solved, Mk III quest over.

On 2/11/2020 at 12:22 AM, Broithe said:

So a 40mm height change in that case, if nothing else alters.

Effectively yeah. Though I'm not sure you'd notice, particularly scaled down for a model!

1 hour ago, Broithe said:

How much radius might you lose between a new wheel and one that's been turned/worn down to the minimum?

I don't know for these vehicles in particular, and in general the range varies rail vehicle to rail vehicle, but as an example a LUAS tram's tyres are 660mm when new down to a minimum allowed 580mm when worn.

19 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

As an aside, I know the IRRS website states one can obtain back issues for reasonable cost, but does anyone know how you actually go about doing that on their website or am I missing something?

For  fairly recent Journals,  you could go along to a Dublin "Library Night" and talk to one of the guys, who should be able to point you in the right direction.

For earlier Journals, The Syndicate (the Irish preservation fund raising vehicle set up by the late Lance King and now continued by Robin Linsley and I) have some Journals for sale right back to the 1950s. If any of you has a specific want, send me a PM. Expect to pay at least a fiver (Sterling), but we do discount for volume.  If Dublin is "out of reach", I'll put you in touch with the right person.

 

Thanks for the offer, but I managed to get in touch with the IRRS to obtain the 5 journals I wanted.

Typically, after I obtained the selection of Feb 1985-Oct 2003; a full collection of 1970-1990 appeared for sale! Though rather dearer.

Thankfully after these 5, that should be it really, the only other ones I'd ever likely want are those from 1972-73 detailing the Mk2d introduction to service, but I think I'll concentrate on the Mk3s for the time being still!

The wealth of information I've read so far, and much not pertaining to Mk3s at all, has been interesting, illuminating and has answered many questions, the remainder should be answered when I obtain the other journals.

4 hours ago, Irishswissernie said:

All a bit worrying, I've already gone through this with the demise of Fotopic some years ago; if Flickr goes to the wall I don't think I will be starting again.

Sincerely hope it doesn't, many great selections of photos were lost to Fotopic never to be seen again. Flickr has so many excellent albums and collections of photographs which are priceless historically let alone photographically that it would be a tragic loss.

Particularly of many people, understandably, are put off from starting again from scratch.

Like the shed, very nice! Looks excellent lit-up like that. The atmospheric backscene looks a treat too.

37 minutes ago, spudfan said:

Sun 26 Jan 20

18:30

BFI: Fully Fitted Freight

1957. Factual. Director: Ralph Keene. The story of the fast freight, 4:48 pm, Bristol-Leeds, vacuum braked throughout. Conveyed in crisp black & white images by veteran cinematographer Ronald Craigen It will be on "Talking Pictures TV." I came across "Talking Pictures TV" by accident on the Free to Air box. There should be enough time between now and Sunday if you want to search for it.

Been on at least twice last year, but still an interesting watch. 

The same channel has had many other BTF short films on such as Terminus, Elizabethan Express, Blue Pullman and Snowdrift at Blea Moor.

Thanks everyone again for your help, my first tranche of journals arrived so it's just left to see about the other ones from the IRRS and then, hopefully (!), my researches will be complete! 

13 minutes ago, Eiretrains said:

Sorry Ben(!), corrections it's actually Journals 94 and 95 (the June and October 1984 issues of course). I would recommend emailing membership@irrs.ie, which is normally where IRRS journal queries are generally addressed to. Hope this helps.

That's alright, don't worry about it!

I appreciate the help everyone has given. I've sent an e-mail to the address above and hopefully I'll be able to obtain the 3 issues I'm looking for.

If nothing else I know precisely which issues I want now which is a big help in itself

On 1/21/2020 at 11:08 PM, leslie10646 said:

I've had a quick look through the JOurnal Index and no article has come to light on the Mark 3s.

There will be references to them in the News sections of Journals, but I haven't come across an article on these coaches. PLenty on OLD coaches - like pre-1960!

As you say, young man, there are usually "interesting snippets" in the JOurnal, no matter what era is your thing.

Dare I say it - why not join and go along to a library night - as far as I know, you can then reference the full set.

Good luck with your research.

Leslie (IRRS LOndon)

Thanks anyway, there's something for the June 2024 issue!

It's a bit far, though I've been saying for years I must visit Dublin, my great-grandfather came from the city.

23 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

I would echo echo echo echo echo

.... what Leslie says. 
 

Documentary stuff is easily accessible in IRRS towers at the old goods office in Heuston.

(I recall watching an E shoving a corrugated open truck off the end of a siding just outside the building - where the car park is now - about 1974....)

Ooooops!

 

(Maybe the driver had been in Ned Rea’s - anyone remember it?)

Cheers.

11 minutes ago, Eiretrains said:

Journals Nos. 194 (June 1984) and 195 (October 1985) contain the news items covering the spec and delivery of the BREL Mk3 stock. They aren't, as Leslie indicates, dedicated articles, but they nonetheless give a useful and brief overview of the stock and their introduction to traffic. Incidentally the latest Journal (No. 200) has a short article on the Mk3s operating a 100mph trial train in 1984 prior to the stock commencing regular services. Hope this may be of use.

Brilliant! That's exactly the info I wanted. 

I have October 1985 in the job lot I purchased, sadly not June 1984.

As an aside, I know the IRRS website states one can obtain back issues for reasonable cost, but does anyone know how you actually go about doing that on their website or am I missing something?

10 hours ago, K801 said:

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/passenger-confusion-irish-rail-driver-17595523

 

How can something like this happen on a modern network?

Happens rarely enough over here, usually a few times a year you see such a story in the media.

Though doesn't everything stop at Mallow these days, unlike some timetables of the past?

11 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

If I get a chance I’ll look up 1976/7 issues.

Off to Malahide today.....

Appreciate the kind offer jhb, but you needn't go to any trouble. I took the plunge and decided to get them anyway, there's bound to be other interesting snippets anyway even if there isn't precisely the content I'm looking for ;)

17 minutes ago, DiveController said:

Volume 16 starts as N0. 99 Feb 1986 thru No 107 October 1988 so maybe No 104 or something. Someone associated with the IRRS might be able to help @leslie10646 or if a member has these volumes (unfortunately, I do not), maybe somone would have a quick flick through and see if there's an article in there that would interest you

Thank you for your help, much appreciated.

If there was something in No. 104 October 1987, that would be ideal as that is also obtainable. 

7 minutes ago, DiveController said:

There is a clustering of reference to MK3s in Vol16 pp. 360-364 but I am not sure if that article is specifically about that MK3 coaches. The June 1985 is a nice cover with the Mk3s in the ST livery and the 071 in original (incorrect, as delivered) color and incorrect CIE roundel   

Hi DiveController, which issue (month/year) does Vol. 16 pp. 360-364 correspond to? Thanks

3 minutes ago, seagoebox said:

Ben,

Sorry, no article on Mark 3's in this issue, vol 15, no. 97, I will look for an article and let you know.

Thank you for confirming, I'd be very grateful if you had a look thanks.

Seen a copy of June 1985 come up for sale. Picture of an 071 with brand-new Mk3s, would I be right in assuming there's a feature on them in the issue?

Grateful for any confirmation provided. Regards, Ben :)

On 12/13/2019 at 12:21 PM, K801 said:

Thanks.  it was the early 90s, used to go out late on a Sunday evening, around 6pm

If it was the early 1990s, then the other Mk2D would likely have been any old mix as Hueston sets seemed quite randomly formed after the Mk3s were introduced and cascaded the Mk2Ds down the pecking order. The two EGV were needed for long sets, I think one could power up to 11 then for 12 or 13 they'd have two EGV, the jumpers being disconnected between the two middle vehicles so each Generator Van powered half the coaches.

On 1/8/2020 at 12:19 PM, Noel said:

Just a little comedy to brighten up a dull mid winters day. Who'd have thought Hitler was a keen rail photographer and an 071

fan.

Don't know about him, but I'm still not happy IÉ got rid of them...

Hi guys, this time you'll be glad to hear I'm not here to bother you all with more questions(!)

Instead I'm going to summarise some things I've deduced and see if anyone agrees.

I recently acquired a set of consecutive CIÉ timetables from the early 1980s and with these I've pieced together how I think the early Mk3 operations developed.

So, to start in 1980, from another thread on this forum I believe in that year as regards the Mk2d stock 5 sets were generally in traffic, with a sixth at busy periods.

I assume that this would mean two sets for Dublin-Cork and one for each of Limerick, Waterford and Galway?

From 1980-1983 there are services with Superstandard on the latter three routes in addition to Dublin-Cork, but in 1984 and 1985, only Dublin-Cork services have Superstandard.

Now, if I look in my Doyle/Hirsch 1987 rolling stock book, the Mk2d composites which were fitted out as such are all declassified so what I think happened when the Mk3s were introduced from 1984 was that a decision was made to only have Superstandard on the Cork line and run everything else as Standard only.

This would explain the declassifying of the Mk2d composites and the fact that only two Mk3 Firsts were built until 1987.

So, I assume therefore that CIE decided to run two Mk3 sets on Dublin-Cork with Firsts, and in the early years Mk2d sets as well also with Firsts, with Mk3 Standards being upclassed to cover for unavailable 7107 or 7110.

Then by 1987 CIÉ decides, for whatever reason, to re-introduce Superstandard (now First Class) on the other InterCity routes, hence the construction of the Mk3 composites while 7157 was also built to give an additional full First for the Cork line.

Does this seem plausible, as I am working off an awful lot of assumptions?

Cheers, Ben.

5 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

And Waterford now has a single platform - platform 5!!!!!!

Does it not have a bay and the through platform or did they take another out of use?

5 hours ago, Broithe said:

Stafford, on the WCML, has five platforms -1, 3, 4, 5 & 6.

Originally, 1 was a bay platform, now disused for passenger trains, and they just renumbered the through Platform 2 as Platform 1, leaving all the others the same as before.

 

As often as the opportunity presents itself, I tell people that I will meet them on Platform 2...

Oban, Scotland - the only remaining platforms are numbered 3 and 4.

Stirling, Scotland - what was Platform 1 is now the car park. 

MPD - Multi-Problemed Diesel

Not planning to model Irish Rail, but I could be sorely tempted!

For me I'd love full, prototypical Mk3 rakes in their later years. 201s and 071s for haulage. Wouldn't mind some Mk2D rakes for variety either

15 minutes ago, Rob said:

Very interesting info for a Mark 3 devotee like myself  !

Btw, where can one find lists of Mark 3 formations from 2003 / 2009 as mentioned?

Some sample 2003 formations were kindly provided for me in this post:

And you'll find set formations from 2007 until 2009 withdrawal in this thread on IRN:

http://irnirishrailwaynews.yuku.com/topic/912/MK3-News?page=1#.VgGtI5eIXK4.