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  1. After spending some more time comparing the types, I've noticed another reason to use a 2F as an approximate for an Irish 2D - they share the same B4 bogies variant with friction rather than hydraulic dampers. I must admit that surprised me given all British B4s had hydraulic dampers up to the Mk2E coaches and the Irish 2D slot between the British 2D and 2E age-wise but there you go, you learn something new every day as they say! I should also have added I can offer some prototype formations if you give a rough year/years and route, I have a list of some 2D set makeups for
  2. Don't thank me too much, I still haven't found the blasted photo! Doing my nut in trying to recall exactly which Flickr account I found it in.
  3. No definitely push-pull intermediates, they had hopper windows not sealed ones. I've an idea of a couple of Flickr accounts to check but I'll leave that to tomorrow.
  4. No, after the Mk3s were introduced the Mk2D fleet was downgraded and by the IÉ era the rakes were very mixed. The only one real certainty is the Gen Van would be the first or last coach! There does seem to be a vague pattern that the Buffet Standard would often be behind or within two coaches of the gen van but this was not at all a hard and fast rule, I've seen plenty of rakes when the buffet is over half way through the set from the Gen Van and even one where it was the last coach. You have to go back to the IR era for even a vague sort of general formation and that would even then
  5. Need a "when" for that. The types of vehicles and seating arrangements were altered over the course of their life quite considerably. The first change came after only 4 months in traffic for instance.
  6. Well at least Irish Rail only had one variant of air-con Mk2! I'd say go 2F because the underframe equipment is the closest. I actually spent some time comparing BR Mk2D, E and F and Irish examples and the more I noticed that really there are elements of all 3 variants in the Irish ones as well as some items which seem unique to the Irish ones. Really one should describe the Irish Mk2 AC stock as a hybrid Mk2DEF!
  7. Well I thought that, but some months ago I came across a photo on Flickr of a push-pull set with at least two intermediates in Supertrain instead of Tippex completely blowing away my belief that all Mk3 push-pull coaches started life immediately in Tippex.
  8. Mostly related to the air-con, B4 bogies (hydraulic dampers vs friction dampers), door droplights and certain internal features. Presumably 2D because that's what existed when CIÉ placed the order. Literature of the time says based on the 2D design so that's the official line even if the reality is different. Broadly speaking above the solebar they are more like a 2E, below like a 2F as the Irish 2D share air-con systems with the British 2F and the gubbins for that is different from the 2E. There are a few purely Irish differences as well, need to find a book to remind
  9. Further additions have been made since my last post, there are two Irish/Northern Irish additions - the NIR 1981 timetable and a further CIÉ one. The CIÉ is the (in)famous "Supertrain" timetable of April 1973, I have a paper copy myself and to say it was revolutionary would be an understatement, many lines would not see as frequent a service again until the 1990s or even until the railcar revolution. Link here for those interested: https://timetableworld.com/ttw-viewer?token=02e204b2-a597-4565-8ee4-9ac4027df899
  10. I never noticed that before either, but once you've had it pointed out you can't forget it! I hate to have to say this, but given there are discrepancies as I've outlined, which source can one trust implicitly? Is there one? It's rather different now because for the present rolling stock one could simply physically go and check (ignoring the virus situation of course), but for stock which no longer operates it is of course impossible one has to trust books/magazines have their figures correct and they don't always. If two or more sources agree I think it's reason
  11. All of them or bits of them? I imagine they would've tried for a homogenised fleet of say four 8-car sets as the Western Region was considering before withdrawal. The 2+1 seating would probably also have been replaced in Second Class I would've thought. And finally, new bogies rather than simply stretching them to 5' 3" given the poor riding qualities of the bogies fitted. St Pancras to Manchester I believe via almost the original route of the Midland Pullman (there's a large gap between Matlock and Buxton on the original route).
  12. The freight info is why I think 1987 in particular is quite sought after. They are very infrequently found now, perhaps everyone into modelling atm that wanted then bought them 10 years ago! I don't mind admitting how much I spent on them, perhaps it will demonstrate why these £100+ figures for one book are far too much in my view - I spent £35.99 on all 3 together, the 3rd edition cost me the most. I will also admit to being a carriage-nerd too! I like them, the 1987 edition is one of my most prized Irish railway stock books because it's right on the threshol
  13. They seem quite sought after, but really any more than £30 is utterly obscene. They can be difficult to obtain, months can go by with none available - it took me 18 months to source all 3. After obtaining 1987 first it was 17 months until I found 1981 and then less than two weeks later I managed to get 1979! In other words it's your luck on how long it takes to source them all. The ITG books by comparison seem easier to obtain and are usually cheaper on average, I think it's like anything - the greater the demand and rarity the higher the price but those copies at over £100 are just
  14. Good luck mate Three. 1st - 1979, 001 Class on cover 2nd - 1981, NIR 111 on cover 3rd - 1987, DART EMU on cover Technically the 1987 covers IÉ in a fashion as that's when CIÉ split the rail operations into Irish Rail/Iarnród Éireann and the book reflects this by changing the title from Locomotives and Rolling Stock of Coras Iompair Eireann and Northern Ireland Railways to Locomotives and Rolling Stock of Irish Rail and Northern Ireland Railways for the final edition. For post-1987 you want the Irish Traction Group books published i
  15. First edition Doyle/Hirsch rolling stock book, bids starting at £2 & ends in two days if anyone is still on the look for a copy at reasonable prices: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOCOMOTIVES-ROLLING-STOCK-OF-CORAS-IOMPAIR-EIREANN-NORTHERN-IRELAND-RAILWAY/264923945235?hash=item3daeb29913:g:xd0AAOSw7TNfobo-
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