meathdane

2 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Correct!

Totally plausible, yes.

There was WAAAY less standardisation here than in Britain! Many, many locos here were either one-offs or perhaps one of a pair or a trio; also, even if 20 were built, maybe you go forward fifty years and only two are left, but they'll survive until the end of steam. By far the biggest class here were the GSWR J15s, or which 111 were built - next down, you're looking at classes of 10, 20 or30 engines, and the vast majority are in classes of half a dozen to ten. And then WE look at Britain and see that some 08 shunter, class 47, or black 5 was built in the gazillions!

I bow to your knowledge JHB! 

That answer about settles it for me. Off I go to find a Peckett, then the 88DS on release then the Jinty, etc etc etc! 

I've learned more on this forum on the last few months than I ever did in school! I love being around people with such a passion for a subject like yourself JHB, I'm looking forward to my next few years on this forum!

14 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

perhaps a look at this thread shows the differences between 495 and an actual pecket

 

i would (and probably am anyway) get an 88ds. There is about 4 of them preserved, must be one of the most numerous  preserved class in Ireland 

 

I must stress I did not make that No.90. Those photos belong to the seller of the print mark dunlea. It’s another project I must get around to!

 

That jinty looks very good, @jhb171achill shared some good photos recently of many NCC locos lined up for scrap and that looks very similar 

 

Please don't shoot me here, but with a few alterations and removal of some of the more ornate features of a RTR Peckett, I reckon it would have enough of a passing resemblance considering I do want to put a fictitious wheel guard around the loco, as an interim until I build up the skill to build a true kit form Hudswell and Clarke/Bandon 0-4-0

All things considered, it will be a fictitious factory, in a fictitious town with a fictitious locomotive, so it's more of a rule one kind of deal I suppose, drawing from real world inspiration (god that sounds unintentionally snotty but I do genuinely appreciate all the input)

An 88DS, Jinty, G class or No.90 would possibly be far easier and I'll probably end up with all four, because the shunting bug has hit hard! There is that draw to the Peckett, not sure why it's there, possibly because to me, they are the quintessential shunter, who knows! Maybe it's the modelling challenge of making it resemble the Allman, or scratch building the guards. 

I realise I've the attention span of a squirrel, and bounce from topic to topic, but I'm loving this, I've really began to enjoy all this!

Also apologies for the confusion on the No.90 model, my fault for the misunderstanding, Mark has done a superb job on that!

31 minutes ago, Mayner said:

The Carlow, Mallow and Thurles Rustons were 88DS locos same as the Hornby model, I don't think the smaller 48DS model was used in Ireland.

The Tuam Ruston was a much larger rod coupled 165DS loco not dissimilar in appearance to the Hornby R30050 Bagnall model https://www.040trainsnmodels.co.nz/product/92914/ and the Tuam loco was painted in what looked like British rail "Rail Blue" I don't remember if it had black and yellow warning stripes like the Hornby Model.

The GSR inherited a Peckett 0-4-0ST "Paddy" from Allman Distillery in Bandon, two large Peckett 0-4-0STs were used at the Courtaulds factory near Carrickfergus and Londonderry Harbour Commissioners used a pair of industrial 0-6-ST for working its dock lines an ancient looking Robert Stephenson 'Coffee Pot" and a modern Avonside both of which are preserved.

Paddy seems to have been similar in size to the Hornby locos but was a more modern loco with less ornate boiler fittings.

The Hornby Peckett 0-4-0 and 0-6-0ST are very nice looking models typical of locos built for industrial use around the turn of the 20th Century and would not look out of place at a medium to large industrial site or private siding such as a port large factory or a mine.

No.495 was the Allman distillery shunter, being a regauged 0-4-0 peckett correct? 

Apologies about being hung up on the Peckett idea, I've seen the model running and I must admit I was quite taken by it, but at this stage, I'm just looking for an excuse to add a Peckett to the collection! It might get the wheel guard treatment if that's the case. In my opinion "Guinness" looked smashing with the guards in place, really screams industrial loco to me!

So for the Peckett it would be along the lines of the factory bought the locomotive from Peckett, and following a non fatal incident with a inexperienced yard hand, decided to fit guards to the loco to prevent injuries while non railway trained workers worked in the vicinity of it. Does that sound plausible enough or am I going beyond the realms of plausibility here and going too far astray?

But provided the 88DS is as good a runner as the 48DS (hopefully being just an elongated chassis and body), Id probably go for both!

And No.90 after seeing how well WestCork's model turned out!

The whole reason for me going towards an Irish outline over british was so I wouldn't buy so many locomotives, because in my unlearned ignorance, I didn't think Ireland had so many unique and interesting locomotives, this there wouldn't be as many models! But I'm happy (in a soon to be broke kinda way) that I was wrong!

42 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

Yes the 165 DS at Tuam had wasp stripes 

 

I believe that Allmans distillery Bandon loco was still kicking around until 1949

 

perhaps another loco worth mentioning is the Bachman jinties, if your lucky you came find the murphy models commissioned ones in NCC livery.

 

 

 I actually have a Jinty that died a death that I've weathered and removed the motor from to use as a Y class destined for the scrapheap as a siding filler, trying to capture the idea of the death of steam here in Ireland!

15 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

The “rowntree” livery looks pretty good even without modification. Obviously you’d want to repaint anyway. 
 

these are the prints 

They look quite good actually!

What are the quality and fit of the prints like onto the Terrier chassis?

24 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

There are plenty of other shunting locos that could be achieved. One that comes to my mind is the preserved GSWR no.90, which is do able via the 3d print and an old terrier chassis.

 

but the Hornby 88ds already looks pretty good without much modification 

I had forgotten about No.90! Thanks for reminding me!

Just a new coat of paint, a pair of Kadees and off I go? sounds good to me, they seem to be decent little performers all things considered! plus Hornby have managed to squeeze in space for a DCC decoder which is a massive bonus!

12 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

Rustons should be pretty ok out of the box, livery dependent obviously. The small Ruston has a match truck supplied with it, which I assume has extra pickups on it. This would greatly assist electrical reliability on a shunting layout. The Guinness locos were fairly modern in appearance by steam standards, whereas some of the Hornby Pecketts have very ornate fittings. Model R3679 is closer but note that the chimney and cab proportions aren’t the same as the Hudswell Clarke style. Add a few skirts and a bell and it would look ok! 

With the Rustons, the wagon does have additional pickups, though I'm planning to use electrofrog points, so hopefully that will nullify the need for the wagon for running

I see what you mean about the difference between the Peckett and Hudswell, i wasn't sure if Peckett was a catch-all term for that style of locomotive (like Mogul), but seeing the two side by side, i can actually see quite a number of differences, the dome for example is a lot flatter on the Hudswell, and the bufferbeams are a different shape to the Peckett, which sits higher on the running plate. That seems to be quite a bit of work to get it closer to the Hudswell, i assume there's no rtr Hudswells in the pipeline, so Ruston it may be, unless theres a 3d body for the Peckett chassis either?

HI all,

Now that I've ordered some provincial wagon bullied opens, my thoughts have wandered to shunting engines, I'm re-imagining my shelf layout to be more of an industrial shunting layout, so I will be in need of a shunting loco. It will be a generic factory setting, not based on anywhere or anything in particular, just for myself to have some fun shunting, but I would like an Irish twist to it. Any loco I choose may get a fictitious private livery, so it does give me a bit of scope for non-prototypical and "what if" liveries. What I do want however, is to take a bit of precedent from reality. Use existing examples as though the company ordered their own shunter/purchased one from another company/CIE 

I've been considering a few options, in both steam and Diesel, as this will be of no fixed era

The Ruston/Sentinel locos, I've caught glance in the forums that some companies purchased similar locomotives here, How close/how much chopping would one require to resemble an Irish variant (re-gauging to 21mm aside, I'll be sticking with standard 00)  

No.3BG "Guinness" at Whitehead has caught my eye. How close are the Hornby 0-4-0 Pecketts to "Guinness"? To my untrained eye they look very close, however I could be well off the mark! I wouldn't mind having a go at the wheel guards "Guinness" originally wore at the brewery as a bit of a modelling challenge for myself.

The most obvious one for steam is the NCC 'Y' Class, which is simply a Fowler Jinty repaint.

For the diesel brigade, it would likely be the Silverfox G class, and that would likely get the BnT livery.

The 'G' class is obviously the most accurate being based on an actual Irish prototype, However i would like some opinions on the feasibility of a Peckett conversion, considering I would be planning to hide the running gear with the guards, would there be much involved? I would like to do this with a relative degree of accuracy, But due to the fictitious nature of the industry and the variability of industrial locos, I do have a little room to play.

Many thanks and Kind Regards,

Dane

14 minutes ago, Noel said:

There are no RTR suppliers, three options, first is provincial wagons resin kit (PW) which results in an excellent result if a bit fiddly to build, the second option is Dapol RTR chassis with a shapeways 3D body shell put on them. I've gone both routes. The latter is quick and easy to do with good running characteristics albeit not really scale models of the original bulleid wagons but almost RTR like. The former while involves more work, ends up with wagons that really look the part. 3rd option was IFM (Irish Freight Models) RTR wagon (don't know if Tom still sells these).

Provincial Wagons kit is very good.

Shapeways 3D corrugated bodies on Dapol RTR Chassis look good from 2ft but up close are not like the bullied chassis.

But they don't look bad in a train formation and relatively inexpensive compared to the kits for a whole rake

The Provincial wagon kit when decorated looks like the real thing. Greater accuracy and more details, rivets, etc. But I wasn't impressed having to shape crude staples to fabricate door restrainers.

 

3 alternatives left to right: Irish Freight Models RTR corrugated open wagon 3D, Provincial wagons Bulleid open wagon kit used for beet and general merchandise, Shapeways 3D body shell on top of Dapol RTR Chassis.

Hope this helps

Hi Noel, 

Great advice as always! I'm currently waiting for Leslie to invoice me for 2 kits, they do seem to be the preferred kit of most modellers here, they seem pretty straightforward to build, albeit with a few fiddly parts involved as you have said, but do seem to have the best finish overall, this is my first attempt at anything even approaching what some would call prototypical, and wagon building in general. If all goes well, it will be the beginning of me transitioning from resprayed generic UK stock to proper Irish models, so hopefully all goes to plan!

Thanks all for the help and guidance,

Ordering 2 kits from Leslie, prepare to watch me bungle a perfectly good kit in the near future 

3 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

Hi Meathdane

Apologies for the state of the website, I've got other things on my plate at the moment.

The Bulleid Corrugated Wagon kit is my best seller - over 350 of them out there, including very fine ones built by my two pals above! (the Brown Envelopes are in the post, Lads).

If you'll e-mail me at

lesliemcallister@aol.com

I'll invoice you for as many as you want!

Regards

Leslie

I don't know if I should say it's a pleasure to meet you or not, my wallet has a funny tingling about it because I've seen what can be done with your kits. Guess the only thing to do is try them myself! 

Wish me luck!

Sending you an email now Leslie!

1 minute ago, RobertRoche said:

@leslie10646 is the man behind Provincial Wagons, he will help you out and is active here. His website does not appear to be working at the moment.

Much Appreciated Robert! Ill get in contact with him later this evening/tomorrow

1 minute ago, Westcorkrailway said:

@leslie10646 announced that the website was going down earlier this year. But if you drop him a PM he should be able to sort you out.

Perfect, thanks a million lads!

1 minute ago, Westcorkrailway said:

Provincial wagons make a fantastic kit.  To make the Definitive bulleid wagon 

There is also a fella on adverts that custom makes much more rudimentary bulleid wagons in rtr

Thanks West! 

Can you point me to a contact point for Provincial? I've tried googling provincial wagons, and a website comes up, however its a generic wordpress-esque site with no products listed http://provincialwagons.com/welcome-screen

I've bought stuff off him, Millipede is the user, lovely gentleman, however, Everything he makes has the large 'D' TLC, which I'm trying to avoid at all costs! but hes in the back of my mind if all else fails!

Hi all,

Would anyone be able to point me towards someone/where selling either RTR, Printed bodies or even possibly a kit (dependant of quality and ease of construction) of bullied corrugated open wagons. Ideally with NEM pockets to fit Kadee couplers, as I'm in the beginning phases of transitioning to kadees so it would be a help, but will consider anything, looking for 2 or 3 price dependant!

Please and Thank you!

Kind Regards,

Dane

5 hours ago, murphaph said:

Would the 201's being released by MM next have hauled mk3's? (apart from enterprise EGV's)

Are they not all too late livery wise?

I'd keep my powder dry there and wait for the inevitable 071 release. Current demand says they would sell well. I have all the 90's MM ones but I'd buy more if someone was to produce them again.

Either way I'll find a use for them! I've learned from the 071/141/181s, buy Irish stock while its available, otherwise you could be waiting a long time, either way, I'll find a use for them/store them until i can find appropriate stock for them

14 hours ago, seagoebox said:

simply NO !

The A class ( apart from a trial with one loco ) were vacuum braked, the Mark 3 fleet was air braked.

Fair enough! time to start planing the justifications for a couple of 201s then! Thanks for the response!

24 minutes ago, mphoey said:

getting this tread back on track its now 2022 with no update yet we know theres delays but not even pre production pics of the mk3s yet the 201s will come alright as mouldings exist but the mk3s are what everyone is waiting on

Question on this topic actually, did the Mk3s ever see push-pull service with the A class?

I know there was an overlap between the coaches and the locomotives, however I'm not sure to what extent. Either way I'll be getting a rake, just depends if I need to start planning the justification of another loco (or two)

5 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Love the prototypical weathering!

9 hours ago, Rob said:

Looks great progress- well done!!

Many thanks lads! High praise coming from yourselves!

Another quick update.

Patsy is more or less complete, I've applied the varnish, which has dulled the brown weathering, so I'll need to have a look at that, as well as painting the bufferbeams red, still more work to be done!

Seen here alongside my retired Y class locomotive

1 hour ago, murphaph said:

Looks really well. Enjoying your posts

Thanks a million! Really appreciate it

I've been continuing on with my conversions, and my largest one to date is ticking along, while not impressive to some of the master craftspeople here, it's my first foray into locomotive conversions. This is the progress on my N class conversion. 

Number 211 "Patsy" . Named for my late grandfather Patsy, and numbered for his birthday (21/1). Custom brass nameplates and running number have been attached to show this.

More work definitely required, including but not limited to, coal and crew, lamps, weathering the other side, apply decals and painting the buffer beams, but I'm happy with. Hopefully some day in the future I might sent him away to get a smoke generator, directional lighting and DCC to bring him more up to date.

The progress so far with the exception of a snapped cab side, but it's been somewhat repaired and will remain under the story of the engine being repaired after an incident with the repair scar there to prove it. 

After I'm finished Patsy, I'll be moving onto 255 "Daisy" so they can be reunited again in another form.

Thanks all!

Dane

Quick update.

Found a pine shelf in Woodies that was nearly perfect in dimensions a bit over 5ft in length and a hair under 1ft in width, little bit of trimming and that's my baseboard ready!

I've decided on code 75, going with 2 long radius lefts and a long radius Y, all electrofrog. The track, the joiners and insulated fishplates can all be got easy enough, however nowhere seems to have this selection of points in stock, so if anyone could point me in the direction of some in stock, I'd be forever grateful!

Thanks all!

9 hours ago, David Holman said:

Code 75 definitely worthwhile. Hard enough to hide 5'3 in 16.5mm gauge, but recent projects show that finer track, carefully weathered and ballasted can be very effective. 

Definitely worth looking into, I'm by no means a prototypical modeller, I go by the saying, "if it looks good, good enough". 

That being said, I do want to make this somewhat plausible looking, so I may just go with the code 75 and leave the code 100 to the main layout. It does open up more options for pointwork too!

5 hours ago, murphaph said:

Is there a reason for the code 100 track or do you just have some spare? I'm no expert but I would have thought on a small branch terminus you'd be looking at code 75 max. Maybe one of our experts can chime in.

Just have some spare and that's what I'm geared up for. I could go to 75, most definitely, it'll open up the option for a electrofrog double slip, I've been toying with that idea, but it's also a case of if I buy an older loco with deep flanges (highly unlikely but you never know) it won't cause problems with movements. I'm not completely set, I'll lay it out with code 100, and consider my options at that point

4 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Very nice little set-up indeed, with plenty of visual variety for a space like that. One small suggestion might be that the old loco shed is actually (originally) an old goods shed, as there's a platform beside it - and with the inspection pit on the adjacent line you could pretend that that's where a loco shed USED to be....

Yes JHB, sorry! That's the plan, I did this during my lunch at work and was pressed for time to finish it up and get back to earning money to do this! I must have gotten mixed up and forgot to add the tag for the converted goods shed. Sorry about the confusion!

But that is essentially the plan, there's a few other bits not listed, including, light posts, ground signals, fencing possibly an engine hoist, old rails and sleepers, disconnected point work and the imprint of removed trackwork. This is the rough outline to keep me "on track" so to speak!

I have great plans to detail this as highly as possible, just a matter of seeing if my skills line up with my imagination!

Hi everyone,

Im Planning to start a small 5ftx1ft layout to display my engines/stow them in the house during the winter due to a lack of insulation where the Main layout is being constructed (for the moment). It is representing a near derelict station with most of the tracwork removed with only the bare bones trackwork remaining, and a now defunct goods shed converted to preserve/store engines, I want to keep it simple, so it can be done quick enough and take minimal maintenance, and use for a test bed for scenic techniques. It will all be done using Code 100 track and electrofrog points.

The layout is as yet unnamed, but below is a rough sketch of my plans. Anyone have any additions to the layout? I may add an engine hoist behind the shed as of yet. I need to get the track and lay it out to see how it sizes up. Keep in mind, its not designed for freight/passenger operations, so the lack of a runaround is of no concern to me, it is in essence there to display my loco collection. 

Blue and red dots represent power feeders, yellow is Point motors. I haven't committed to a double slip, i may use two points in its place, hence the lack of droppers at that point. I also Swap the water tower and inspection pit positions

Thanks all!

Kind Regards,

Dane

Hi all,

Bit of a hens teeth situation, but has anyone got one of the Bachmann two car sets they'd be willing to sell?

This is not for myself, but I was contacted by the carer for a young man who is very ill at the moment and has received some bad news, and all he wants is "the green train", and no other one will do. There are funds available to purchase this set if one can be got, not even the full set, or box but even just the two car set.

Kindest Regards,

Dane