leslie10646

UPDATE

First thanks for all the input.

You guys will all be cross with me, as we've decided to do the UTA Spoil wagon next, mainly because Colm Flanagan and Co want twenty for a "Muck" train on Bleach Green - I suggested forty, so he could cross a loaded and an unloaded train and give us all an epic photo! I don't think anyone managed that with "the real thing"! Even offered to loan my two WTs to top and tail one of the sets!

After that, the original corrugated Bulleid wagon. My man sees it as a good challenge to get it as close as possible to the prototype - especially the corrugations inside and out.

However, don't hold your breath - we're talking 2014. I hope to maybe have a prototype wagon by Bangor exhibition next year.

If any of you want the spoil wagon, an indication of that fact, plus the number that you want would help! I can't hold you to it, but some idea always helps encourage the modeller to get the job done!

e-mail me on lesliemcallister@aol.com

Thanks

Leslie

Thanks

Leslie would you consider a set of decals with different running numbers for the spoil wagon as this is a kit I would be interested in and it would be nice to have a different running number on each wagon?

I look forward to what ever you bring out and wish you every success.

This reply covers anything I do which is handmade.

I ALWAYS offer about 10 different running numbers, so trains can look right!

Thank you all for your replies. Time to close the thread and let me count up the popular items!

Now, guys, don't hold your breath - we get out about two new wagons a year - so the first of these may be ready for next year's Bangor exhibition - that is a year from now.

I would be interested in knowing how many of you would accept kits, providing they were easy to assemble? This reduces the time delay, as my modeller isn't tied up sticking things together, painting them and applying lettering!

Thanks

Leslie

Leslie,

 

Aside from all the sound suggestions above, would you consider 4-plank wagons, here,

possibly with the BD Containers also (?) since you already have a perfect chassis in the GNR(I) wagon?

 

 

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Combined with the H-vans and the bullied opens, this could be recreated

?

Richie.

Richie

I considered this ages ago, when I first rebadged Dapol wagons - especially as I have loads of BR containers about the place. The problem is, none of them will go INSIDE the Dapol (or indeed Bachmann, if memory serves) opens - the sides of the opens are not to scale and so are too thick!

It would need a handmade open with thin sides - maybe one day.

Leslie

H vans,cement bubbles and original corrugated open wagons.Also,any further progress on the spoil wagons?

Hi Hunslet

Fear not, the spoil wagon KIT is due to be next up!

Leslie

Again, another vote for a detailed RTR cement bubble, and flats. Pricing is critical, and I think a 3 pack is a great idea.

 

Edit: another obvious one that I'm always surprised no one has looked at is the 20' brown ISO container with the side opening doors, that CIE introduced in the 60's. (maybe overlooked because people remember the distinctive 10' uniload ones) Marry that to a 20' flat and I think there would be good demand. These originally had the CIE roundal on them, but many had the IR logo applied too. Still many dotted around the network.

Yes, that one appeared on my radar when I found myself looking at a "preserved" one dumped behind the loco shed at Whitehead. So, at least there is a proto

Leslie

Folks

Rails of Sheffield have put a price on Paddy's latest 071s up today, plus the new coaches, including the Galway ones.

Still a few items on their obsolete list.

Leslie

Leslie, I would be interested in Bulleid corrugated wagons (single and double height), Bubbles and flats. The 3 pack is a good suggestion.

Folks

The system has just rejected a long reply, which took me half an hour to write, so this will be short.

The above trio suggested by Kirley and many others, are probably high on my list. However, top marks to the guys who suggested the ubiquitous "H" Vans - now why hadn't I thought of those?

So keep the ideas rolling in, please. There'll be something else I would never have thought of!

I'll see what I can do about the three pack idea, which I used with my cattle wagons until the price of the larger boxes rocketed - I do save postage and I DO pass it on!

Very many thanks for the simply terrific response.

Leslie

Folks

While chatting to Paddy Murphy, he asked me to produce wagons for his immaculate diesels (to encourage sales, of course) - but what?

I plan a skeleton container flat to take a 20ft container, like the lovely Bell one which is available, the Bulleid corrugated wagon (single and double height, both of which were used for the beet traffic) and possibly a cement bubble. Votes for these and further ideas appreciated by PM, e-mail or reply to string.

Prices? Flat around £20 sterling, Bubble might get within £30 sterling, corrugated wagon in the £20 league. All in resin, as my handmade wagons are, painted and lettered.

No comments, no wagons - it's very simple, but I have tried my best for Paddy!

Thanks again for great Bangor support.

Leslie

Like 201bhoy, I thought Wellingtonbheag was very clever and deserving of it's award.

Thanks to those who visited Provincial Wagons (not illustrated above - I must bribe the photographer better next time!) who cleared me out of some wagons forever and bought most of my new beer skeletons and loco coal wagons. Never fear - more on the way!

Now, and I'll start a thread on this, Paddy M asked me to produce wagons for his immaculate diesels - but what?

I plan a container flat to take a 20ft container, like the lovely Bell one which is available, the Bulleid corrugated wagon (single and double height) and possibly a cement bubble. Votes for these and further ideas appreciated by PM, e-mail or reply to string.

Prices? Flat around £20 sterling, Bubble might get within £30 sterling, corrugated wagon in the £20 league. All in resin, as my handmade wagons are, painted and lettered.

No comments, no wagons - it's very simple, but I have tried my best for Paddy!

Thanks again for great Bangor support.

Leslie

When I priced this new wagon, I misunderstood the new UK postal rates - they changed all the (blank) sizes! Now, that I've got the right figure in my calculations the correct prices for this wagon are -

UK, including postage £21 for skeleton only; £32 with TWO beer tubs (as shown in the initial posting).

Europe, also including postage €26 for skeleton only; €38 with two beer tubs, as above

If you're coming to Bangor, you will save roughly a quid, or a Euro on these prices by buying over the counter AND another quid or a Euro, if you don't need couplings!

Further saving I realise that lots of folk don't use Dapol-type couplings, so I am happy to remove the "hook" bit, leaving the NEM pocket for you to snap in your own preferred coupling. It saves me a quid a wagon, so I'll pass that on.

Hope that's clear! If it's not e-mail me, please, via the address on my website!

Regards

Leslie

Prior to 1970, there were very few bauxite wagons in Ireland, though what few there were would have been primarily on the GNR and NCC. CIE started to paint wagons bauxite-like brown in earnest during the 70s.

 

Rules applying to BR were nothing to do with anything that went on here. As Glenderg implies, any similarities were more likely to be co-incidental, though CIE did plan things to some extent along similar lines. BR wagons had other unrelated livery differences too - roofs were not necessarily the same colour as body sides, as they generally were here, and chassis were inevitably black in GB, whereas here almost all companies used the body colour in almost all cases. Ironwork, too, was generall picked out in black on most British livery variations among different companies and BR - though I am by no means expert on what I suspect might have been many exceptions. Here, picking ironwork out in black was extremely rare, and not seen at all on CIE, GNR or UTA wagons. (NIR did, though, on a a small fleet of ballast wagons repainted a very light grey about 1970).

Folks

As you know, I have produced and sold over two thousand wagons and I assure you that any livery I have used, I had photographic evidence for!

The GNR(I) used grey for unfitted and bauxite for fitted wagons - plenty of evidence of that and it is also what is stated in the railway's history.

No open wagons were fitted, so all were grey, with white lettering. However, there were examples of the ironwork being picked out. My Provincial Wagons No.5558 has the ironwork picked out in black in the photo which I have and that was taken as late as June 1957 and it's not the only example of this which I have to hand.

John is correct that the underframe was the same colour as the body. If you have my Dapol-produced wagons, they have, of course, got black underframes. Dapol insisted that the plastic used couldn't be painted! Try Halford's grey undercoat - it works!

The LMSNCC generally used grey, regardless, but the imported LMS vans (PW has made two of these) WERE an orangey brown and survived to appear in lots of 1960s colour photos.

I suspect that you guys are more interested in the CIE situation and as others have stated, the practice was variable. My advice is - get the books out and do some research - there are plenty of colour images of CIE wagons in the two volumes of Irish Railways in Colour. Another good source are the DVDs made of Irish railways - watch them with your finger on the pause button!

Hope that this helps a little.

Leslie

Folks

More goodies listed today - the Irish stuff is dotted about and includes 201s, Cravens by the dozen, it seems, even RPSI coaches. Beware, though their price for the genny van is bizarre -£99.50 - an error, surely.

See -

https://railsofsheffield.com/obsolete/

Regards

Leslie

At last, this wagon has come on stream.

It represents a CIE wagon produced about 1961/2 to transport the famous beer in the distinctive tubs from Dublin to Belfast. They may have been used elsewhere, but I haven't seen photographic evidence. They replaced a rather crude GNR conflat built for the purpose.

The tubs have been available for some time on one of my Dapol conflats, numbered in the appropriate GNR series. If you've got one of those, you can use the conflat to cary other containers (like my bread ones) and switch the tubs to this wagon instead?

Unlike my other handmade wagons, this is not a true scale item, but a close representation. We have used a standard Dapol chassis and inserted a specially made resin floor with lugs to hold the tubs. The whole is painted overall in bauxite and numbered. These wagons appear to have only carried numbers, nothing to signify their CIE ownership. Mind you by the time they came on stream, the UTA had all but ceased running freight.

As usual, several different numbers are available for those of you who want to have a short rake of these. Naturally, the tubs come with a variety of numbers, so you need not have duplicates on your trains.

Price: £22 or €27 for the skeleton wagon only or

£34 or €40 for the skeleton wagon with two lettered tubs, as shown

The tubs are still available on their own for £7 or €8.25 each.

All prices are inclusive of postage and packing. I do, however, give you discount on postage saved on multiple orders. Such is the UK postal system that it is nearly as cheap to send 2/3 wagons as one!

Obviously, I'll have these wagons at Bangor, but pre-orders help me to judge how many to bring!

Thanks for looking

Leslie

I've just got my order from Rails, 161SA and 182, both in super train livery. I wasn't quick enough to get of the black and tans before they went, but I'm pleased with what I've got. Rails customer service up to their usual high standard.

To get this thread back onto Irish model railways .....

Another e-mail arrived today highlighting more for you modern chaps (Oops, I nearly called you diesel freaks!).

I didn't go through it all, but noted a 201 in orange for a bargain price, restaurant car, Cravens, Generator.

Worth having a look?

Leslie

found this little shop called 'Buffer Books' which deals in second hand and of print railway books , and they have a section dedicated to irish railways. might be of use to someone out there! heres the link

 

http://www.bufferbooks.com

Well done Seamus with the link. Some of the prices are good, others a bit steep.

Some of you guys will know that I fundraise for the RPSI here in England (only 40 years so far). Mainly through selling books - we have over a thousand titles, I think. We are the John Lewis of railway bookselling - few people are more reasonable.

They include everything in print on Ireland and a lot of out of print titles.

e-mail me with your wants and we'll see what we can do.

All monies raised go to the 171 Appeal - about five grand (sterling) to date from us.

I'm at lesliemcallister@aol.com

Thanks for reading this!

Leslie

They must've found a load of stock in their warehouse. Either that or Bachmann has had a purge from their warehouse.

 

Thanks to this I found a UK limited edition for a fairly reasonable price that I missed out on 1st time around. Looking forward to getting it!

Glad to be of service!

They have republished the list today and there are now only four double-ended yankies in the list, so you're not the only one to have been taking advantage!

Mind you, there are some strange items to be deemed "obsolete" there - like the Heljan railbus, which I thought was only out last year.

No matter, as long as more Irish locos end up in Irish hands!

Leslie

Sorry, I jumped the gun posting the last item.

Also available, if you page on through the obsolete list are -

IE 156, 184, 187

IR 146, 177, 181, 183, 192

Supertrain 142, 161, 182 and 190 (weatehered)

Black and Tan 141, 165, 181

Hope I've got that right!

There must something here for someone!

Leslie

Folks

In case any of you want one of these for £89.50, see -

https://railsofsheffield.com/obsolete/JJP2-JJM0-JJS0-JJC0.aspx#skip_to_list

Sorry if I've stuck this thread in the wrong place!

It's not the 4-4-0, by the way!

Hope this helps someone!

Leslie

A another vote from me, this time from my work pc

Good thinking - there's the wife's iPad, my son's one too and even HIS work pc!

Naturally, I have given Paddy my vote, but don't tell Ben I've never even seen one of the model 071s!

Thanks for prompting me, as it allowed me to vote for the exquisite C Class (Steam!!!!) and the Thompson coaches - they could nearly have been running on God's Northern Railway! As for the original Brighton Belle - superb, wish I could think of a reason for having it running through Portadown and Richhill!

Hhmmm, Kieran, from the scene at your "cattle" dock -

I see you need GNR double decker sheep wagons AND

from the bulls being loaded, you need a Prize Cattle wagon?

- we'll get to work on them - they looked fairly like the standard cattle.

The opening door is great - I must try and do the same for one of my 9 ton vans!

Just terrific all round. Well done.

Leslie

An iconic design Fran which also saw the birth of MK111's, and still looks as good today as it did then.

 

Rich,

Off you go - this is Charlie's thread! Get back to HIM!!!!

However, as you say, the designer of the HST got a knighthood - he designed lots of things which every Brit knows as the citation relates -

Kenneth Grange CBE

Kenneth Grange is one of the UK’s leading industrial designers, responsible for

Britain’s first parking meter, the Intercity 125 high speed train, Adshel bus shelters,

the Kodak Instamatic camera, the rural post box and the London taxi.

Some of you will have heard that Charles Friel - for decades the "official photographer" of the RPSI and organiser of their Belfast meetings - has been awarded the British Empire Medal in the UK New Year's Honours List.

Charlie has been a tireless worker for the RPSI for over forty years and is generous with the help he has given many modellers. Several of my Provincial Wagons have been based on photographs from his extensive collection.

Well done!

Leslie

I ask because, in Clements&McMahon Locomotivies of the GSR there are a couple of close ups that appear to show a white and black line that makes a panel on the bunker rear and up around the cabside cut out. I did use a magnifying glass! And my wife also thinks the same and could she be wrong?!

Mayner is quite correct about the suburban tanks.

No.850 was painted green when she had her last overhaul in 1948. Source: the late David Murray's article in IRRS Journal Vol 9 p239.

Leslie

Anybody going? I hear that O'Connell Street will be there...

The IRRS (London Area) is Stand F16 where you will find a display of Irish models and sales of IRRS publications. Also a "Join Today" bargain rate, complete with free Journal and one of our booklets.

The 171 Appeal stand is next door - much the same guys, in truth. Provincial Wagons will be on sale off that stand, as will be lots of good books at excellent prices.

Even if you don't want to buy, come and say Hello!

Leslie

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