leslie10646

Less of this talk of groupies, I'm in enough trouble with my wife!

Mr Clare, you will be most welcome in London, you'll be fleeced financially at the door! Theoretically it's a fiver for non-members, but as it's a AGM night and you only get a half evening, chuck a few quid in the pot. Just don't tell our chairman I told you that. We DO need the fiver on most evenings, as we have a lot of speakers over from Ireland.

Richard McLachlan, with whom I am theoretically giving the talk (he's been rather busy with family matters, so it was left largely to me), is giving a talk based on his drawings research to IRRS in Dublin on 10 April. He may let me put in a bit as an addendum, as I'll be with him, en route for the Bangor exhibition.

Talking of Dylan, which we weren't, one of the groups who play at Danny Mann's in Killarney do a wonderful send-up of Dylan singing the Patriot Game!!!!

Serious point to finish, the IRRS London welcomes non-members and we even have an offer of reduced price membership in place at the moment.

If any of you come, do say "Hallo".

Leslie

Vey much agree with BosKonay on the merits of cork, but continue to use it nevertheless & it does, as he says, work well as the ballast shoulder. An alternative is to use some sort of light foam underlay. the type sold to go under wood/laminate flooring springs to mind, but you'd need to be building a big layout [or laying a floor] to make it worthwhile buying as it only comes in quite large rolls.

Dear Kerryman

When I started work on Portadown, I asked Colm Flanagan about this ballasting thing. He recommended cork underlay, but also said he used the Gaugemaster stuff for curves.

So, I did exactly that for my first circuit.

When I read your thread the other day, I rushed upstairs to the loft and ran both a 201 and a Class WT round with the same results - the foam Gaugemanster stuff is a BIT quieter - a definite change of sound.

This is laid on a plywood baseboard with quite deep framing, which COULD produce a noisy result - but with either of these solutions, it's pretty quiet. So, take your pick - the Gaugemaster stuff ain't cheap at over £20 a roll!

DON'T use the Peco stuff, which crumbles to sticky dust after about 15 years - having been used on the previous German layout (which, needless to say got nowhere during my working years).

Of course, you couldn't tell at all the difference at all if you're running sound locos - you're so busy listening to the lovely chuffs and clanks that the house could be falling down ..........

Leslie

At the risk of being branded a self-publicist, I'm giving a half-evening talk on

"Irish Railway Modelling comes of Age"

to the IRRS London Area at 7pm, on Thursday 16 January 2014.

We meet at the Exmouth Arms, 1 Starcross Street, London NW1.

I will be covering the period from when everything was scratch built through to Murphy, McAllister and Co with their RTR stuff.

I have illustrations of some erarly Irish modelling and of more recent layouts. I hope, if we can sort out the technology, to show a few film clips of Adavoyle when it was in its prime!

We'll have some models on display as well.

If you're in the South East of England, come and have a look!

Leslie

Heavens, aren't you guys all members of the RPSI anyway? I only joined the evening the Society was founded - I have photographic evidence that I was there!

AND the IRRS, which has an archive beyond your dreams!

Charlie Friel will be giving his 50th Anniversary talk in London on 16 October 2014.

Leslie

Can't see any RTR steam locos being turned out any time in the near future, I'm afraid.

 

As Horsetan pointed out, a J15 just might shade it because there were so many of them and because they had a long innings, plus two have survived and have run in the diesel era on specials. The WT would be a riskier investment as, though they lasted in service into the early '70s, and No 4 is still knocking around, they were a small class and, judging from modellers I know and what I've seen at exhibitions, the Northern Irish steam era is a minority within a minority within a minority among modellers here.

 

I generally agree with this comment, except that the J15s existed in a multitude of forms and with different tenders. So which one would you do? - you wouldn't please all the people!

 

The Class WT in theory was a standard machine, but also had its variations among the eighteen engines, but they are ones easily added by a modeller, if he wants to be fussy! From a manufacturer's point of view, a reasonable compromise loco could be produced by taking the Fowler and plonking a new body on it. In effect, that is how one noted modeller has turned out about ten of the machines for some of we lucky people - even if we are a minority within a minority etc etc! If we had a Kernow in Ireland, I think we'd have had a WT years ago! You can't expect Paddy to do it, as he's got the world and his aunt banging on his door demanding a 121 Class!

 

Happy Christmas, everyone. And so to bed, perchance to dream of the Class VS - for those of you too young to have seen these fabled beasts - a big blue 4-4-0 with SMOKE DEFLECTORS - actually built AFTER I was born!!!!!

John is right to remind you gys of the joys of Irish Railfans News - I just happen to have a bound set here on the shelf above my head.

If you really want some entertainment about how the railway used to be, take a look at the CIE weekly notices which the IRRS has in its archive. One copy I looked at had EIGHTY pages and the first 40 pages were the cattle specials (all worked by steam, too!).

Those were the days .....

Interesting stuff Leslie, though there will only be 2 blue 4-4-0 on the go as 131 was never blue (apart from a very small period of time for an inchicore open day) and I doubt very much that she will be blue though never say never as it will all depend on tender availability! - 3 engines and 2 tenders - unless we paint 171 black and wait a while until 131 has her own tender prior to painting 171 blue, though this may have GNR fans somewhat irked.

You're quite right, of course, but Richard McLachlan has given the RPSI the drawings for the tender, so all we need is the money! By the way, we have the full drawing set to built No.211 (or a new "207 Boyne") - anyone got a couple of million?

Once the RPSI has a third tender, it will be difficult to resist the temptation to have THREE blue 4-40s? A livery put together in Heaven, or was an angel guiding George Howden and his team when they came up with it?

Leslie

The runs sound like they were top class, the ton is easily capable in those machines. in steam railway mag this month some old A4 drivers reckoned they regularly hit 130mph+ with them in the 1950s, one reckoned he nearly hit 140 but that's hard to imagine!

 

Did you do much timing of steam in Ireland ? And if so what was the max speed you recorded and best average speed?

Naturally, I started here (sorry, I mean in Northern Ireland) - in 1963, using a wrist watch!

As for my best speed, that was Class WT No.10 on 9 April 1966, driven by Timmy Crymble. The train was a football special to Ballymena from Belfast and we did 83mph near Muckamore (just before Antrim). It explains why one of my two model WTs is No.10!

Good averages were hard to come by and I never had a mile a minute run Ireland. However, on one immortal day in 1965, Alan Robinson drove No.4 from Ballymena to Antrim (11.7 miles) in 11min34sec - surely one of the shortest ever mile a minute runs, anywhere - the top speed was 80. As luck would have it, I had been on the same train a week earlier - still I don't begrudge my friends who were there!

My best average was probably 17 August 1966 with No.10 again! She was past her best and very rough to ride on - I was on the footplate with Sammy Sloane from Antrim to Belfast. There is little doubt he was intent on scaring the life out of me - it worked - the writing in my logbook is all over the place! We did that run in 21min59secs for the 19.3 miles - 52.6mph.

Doesn't sound like much? BUT, the first TEN miles is all uphill (1 in 200 or worse) - run off in the low sixties with a minimum of 57 and a top speed of 70mph - I was sure that he was going to do some tremendous speed down over the curving Bleach Green viaduct (where you regularly prayed hard, as you approached it in the low seventies!) - but sanity prevailed! A very light train, but what a train - FOUR North Atlantic Express coaches!

A month later the University authorities had the good sense to chuck me out for not working hard enough, or indeed having the brainpower, and I moved to England to begin accumulating 10,000 unrepeatable miles on Southern Region behind nearly half a century of Oliver Bulleid's wonderful pacifics.

Now to run the story off, I had runs with all eighteen Class WT, the 46 Bulleids at the end of steam now number over fifty, thanks to the preserved ones, but my biggest "classes" for haulage are the Russian "L" Class 2-10-0s (75) and the Chinese QJ 2-10-2s - over eighty of those!

I must get the logs "written up".

Goodnight all.

Leslie

When I'm not commissioning wagons, I'm "timing" steam trains - I have logs of more than 100,000 miles with steam over the past fifty years and in 25 countries.

Last Thursday's run from Newcastle to York gave me my fastest ever average speed start to stop - 72.5mph, beating the 72mph of the run in June. The maximum on Thursday was 94mph, when he eased to avoid doing a ton (and getting the sack!). I only made it 92 in June - several times.

Saturday's runs were more measured, as the Powers that Be apparently took a dim view of the 94mph! We did 92 agin and just missed a 70mph start to stop average by a whisker.

Previous to this year, I DID have one 70mph average speed run - in 1967 during the Waterloo Sunset, West Country 34001 "Exeter" ran Basingstoke to Woking in just under twenty minutes. That night we did 92 at the appropriately named Fleet and 95 at Brookwood - a place I regularly catch trains from (I live a mile from the line today). They were amazing days to experience, but June's run was simply the best - "Silver Jubilee" running but with a train half as big again.

I would hang up my stopwatches now, except that, by God's grace, I may get timing THREE BLUE 4-4-0s in 2015!

Floreat Vapor!

Leslie

Well done the Lads! Only won the Mayor of Sandwell's Trophy for Baile Cois Farraige! It is awarded for "the exhibit that he/she (she this year) has enjoyed most during her visit to the exhibition".

Little wonder that SHE enjoyed it as there was a crowd 2/3 deep in front of the layout, delighting young and old throughout the two days.

Well done, MRSI and well deserved in your Golden Anniversary year.

Leslie

Well done the Lads! Only won the Mayor of Sandwell's Prize for Baile Cois Farraige!

There was a crowd 2/3 deep in front of the layout, delighting young and old throughout the two days. In stark contrast to the 40/50 foot long Fremo layout behind us which had almost nothing happening on it and no-one watching it, apart from its operators - it looked beautiful, but exhibition layout it was not!

Well done, MRSI and in your Golden Anniversary year.

Leslie

Seamus, I agree with you that the Oxford blue and cream looks just great - you even saw it behind steam, when the trailers were "mis-used". I told Ivor that I would run the intermediate cars behind steam and suggested he do me some flush-sided mahogany ones - which, bless him, he did - the panelled ones came later!

Ivor, you did TWELVE in all - the catering vehicles were the restaurant car in the BUT set and the tea car in mahogany.

I'll find more photos of the coaches (and put them in the correct thread!) - but I must get to church! Another problem with getting old is that you realise you have a lot more sins to ask forgiveness for! Like not running Ivor's stock a lot more! Never was Plasticard better or more skillfully used!

Leslie

Leslie

You were beside this layout at Bangor earlier this year

I am not looking forward to getting old..........

 

About half way down this page Leslie:

http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/1812-Photos-from-Bangor-Exhibition

No, I wasn't - it was on the other side of the hall, but thanks for the heads-up!

I thought it was brilliant, but the name escaped me - it'll knock 'em dead at Warley - a model railway with a difference! I wonder how many of the English will know that their great great grandparents' taxes paid for the original?

Dave, you're right about the growing old bit - not only the loss of memory, but the aches and pains when you crawl under the layout!

Leslie

Dear Clare Man

Just to encourage you and you are certainly getting there ....

Ones I had made earlier (by a guy called Daniel Wu in Hong Kong, who had never seen a steam engine in his life, but had built about 20 DJH kits before tackling Terry's kits (as they were then) - he was very complimentary about the quality of the kits and it's great that Des is keeping this flag flying!).

First, the engine of engines - No.171 (actually, my Engine of Engines is No.207, but she's somewhat late now!) -

and a shed full, four of the locos were built by Daniel - two Class S, a QL and a SG2 - the others were built in England and are two T tanks and a SG.

Like my railcars - a very lazy bunch they are, most having barely turned a wheel. However, the SG2 is being run in between Portadown and Richhill on the days I venture into the loft!

Leslie

Ah, found the photos on the Mac, so here they are -

This shows the AEC set with the two end cars of the BUT 9which is four cars, the intermediates being an open and a restaurant car.

And "Full Frontal"!!!!!

The full AEC set.

The bad news is that the AEC has never turned a wheel, but has languished in the showcase, as the layout never got started!

However, the BUT set has lapped David White's "Old Blarney a few times at Perth two years ago.

Finally, a Class G1 panelled mahogany coach - 33lima got the mahogany quite brilliantly, I thought?

Hope you like them - I certainly do!

Leslie

Sneer, sneer, it's behind me in the showcase!!!!

33lima built it for me over ten years ago, you should see the BUT set he did for me.......

And then there were the Mahogany coaches .........

I'm sure I put photos up on the site years ago?

Ivor, I have some wagons for you?

Leslie

Hall 5, NEC Birmingham

Opening times:

Saturday

0915 (Advance tickets only); 0945 - 1800

Sunday

0915 (Advance tickets only); 0945 - 1700

I will be running the Irish Railway Record Society stand - E05 - where you will find Irish books, recent and out of print; IRRS publications, including back-number Journals; AND Richard McLachlan's brilliant reproductions of the steam loco drawings from the IRRS Archive. You can even JOIN the Society - all Irish modellers should be members!

There will also be a small display of models from our respective collections.

While I will not be selling Provincial Wagons at Warley, if you wish to order wagons and pre-pay them, you can pick them up at the stand and save on postage.

We are located beside Baile Cois Farraige (E04), so maybe I can persuade the boys to run some of my wagons? Also Dun Ut Riain (E03), which sounds Irish to my Northern ears - but I can find no reference to it on the Internet!

Quite a little celtic enclave?

Éirinn go Brách (even after today's showing against Australia!)

We look forward to seeing you there.

Leslie and Richard

David

4mm, of course!

I trawled the Sprinks album myself this morning and there is not a sign of a bread container anywhere!

Leslie

I assume someone has a list of CIE lorry numbers etc?

The GNR did NOT have this type of truck.

For those of you modelling God's Blue Railway, the full list of vehicles is to be found in Sam Simpson's brilliant book "Road Services of the GNR" which tells you the fleet number and even the civil registration number! In the case of the Company cars, it even tells you who drove them!

Oliver Bulleid appears to have had a Chevrolet Bel Air as his Company Car when he was CME of CIE. It can be seen in a photo in the Turf Burner book.

Ah, the trivia you can come up with ......

David

You can tell that I'm in catch-up mode after the summer when I work for "real" pay.

I have NEVER seen a picture of a bread container on the SLNCR, oddly enough as it was connected to Enniskillen which saw lots of them!

I assume you have checked the SLNCR photo book by Neil Sprinks?

But, heck, man, you're MODELLING - so on YOUR railway anything goes?

I've still got supplies of both Stevenson's and Brewsters containers at the original prices - see my website.

I assume you've got some SLNCR cattle wagons (also on my website - a very few left).

Leslie

Nice lorry - wonder if they'd do a GNR one (not that the GN had this lorry?).

Now, that Dublin bakery in the background of Richie's pic - Bolands (there's a name from Irish History Mr Dev) - obviously they never used the GN bakery container service, but would anyone be interested in a container in that red livery, suitably lettered?

Just thinking out loud - but not averse to getting answers!

Leslie

Very sorry to hear that Leslie. Hope everything works out better soon.

Nelson

It's to encourage people like you who are "coming on" in the hobby, that I'm encouraged to keep going!

I've seen your layout and you're miles ahead of me, at a quarter the age!!!!

Keep it up.

Leslie

Kieran (and others)

NO! I would like to face My Maker having "produced" a complete train! HE, of course, is doubtless laughing at me at this moment.

I am pursuing another resin body man on this one - that's for the SG3.

Another partner in crime is pursuing doing a brass UG in modest numbers - as he plans to appear at Bangor, I would think he has an incentive to have "something to show" - NOT a working loco though - like "My Man", he's also got other agenda! He's too preoccupied with North Eastern railway (and other) COACHES.

Regards

Leslie

Friends

With Regret .......

The modeller who has so expertly mastered and built my range of handmade models has informed me that he no longer wishes to produce new wagons for me, as it is simply not profitable to him, at current prices. He has a long list of projects of his own to pursue and I cannot blame him for spending his time on rolling stock closer to his own interests! He has recently turned seventy, so who can blame him for concentrating his efforts on his home railway - the pre-grouping Southern (of England!).

Those of us who have Michael's wagons running on our layouts owe him (and Joice, who assisted him) a considerable debt of gratitude for wagons which would not have seen the light of day without him. He has produced about 400 for me, to say nothing of an even higher number of bread and beer containers.

As a result, there will be a long delay in both the introduction of any new handmade wagons and the production of any further samples of the existing wagons in the range. I hope to be able to get "kits of parts" of the existing models and to have these built elsewhere.

I expect future Ready to Run handmade scale models to cost AT LEAST 50% more, depending on my success at finding a replacement builder!

I have a few wagons left at the old prices, but when they are gone, they are gone!

I DO have SOME bread containers at the prices shown and a VERY few Guinness containers - they may soon be collectors' pieces!

I'll keep you informed and will update my website with stock levels as appropriate. Also on my success or otherwise in finding a successor to Michael - believe me I'm looking! I need wagons for (the barely started) Portadown Jct - upstairs in the loft!

The first casualty is the proposed spoil wagon kit - my regrets to the owners of Bleach Green and others who had favoured me with a substantial order book!

OBVIOUSLY, this has no effect on my "Dapol" repainted wagons, which are still listed on the website!

Especially sorry to Paddy, who asked me to "do something" to produce wagons for his superb (I nearly forgot myself and said lovely - they're NOT steam engines!) diesel models.

LESLIE

Well done, Patrick - a real work of art, even got the "bashed to bits" look of the top of these wagons! We could never have done that in resin!