josefstadt

Could you use Peco Code 75? It would seem that a fair representation of the scissors layout could be achieved using this track:

Junctionmad, the sequence for standard class coaches was 'Bredins', then Park Royals, then Laminates and then Cravens.

The Limerick-Ballina services had indeed ceased on 3 April 1976. So during the late 70s / early 80s it would have been the branch train that you were on.

All my sympathies to his family and friends. A sad loss to them and to the wider railway enthusiast community.

The photo is of the Ballina branch, as the caption below it reads.... CIE Bo-Bo 127 (GM-built, 950 hp) headsnorth from Manulla Junction with an afternoon passenger train in July 1971.

There is no doubt that the photo was taken on the branch, but the question is what srevice was photographed. If you scroll down to the first comment under the photo's caption you will see that part of Loose Coupled's contribution includes: '... 121s were the staple diet on the Ballina road and despite how attractive 127 looks here with her ex Limerick passenger ...' (my emphasis). So it would seem that 1904 and 1442 (both opens) without van were on the branch train (Claremorris-Ballina), while the photographed set (including a side-corridor compartment coach and an open coach) with a van was on the Limerick to Ballina service. You could have travelled on this set between Claremorris and Ballina and, if it were during the summer season, the open coach might have been replaced with a brake / standard, thereby giving the impression of two coaches without a van..

'Space. The final frontier'!

Excellent! So, there's a good chance that it was these coaches that would have been used in the late 70's, early 80's? Could both of them be used without a van?

Because neither of the two coaches was a brake/standard, or a brake/first, a van would have been needed. And, because a brake van was needed then it would have been, outside the summer season, a steam heating van. As mentioned above the normal vehicles for the Ballina branch train were 1904 and 1442. Both of these were fitted with storage heaters and therefore could be used without a heating van, the requirement for a brake van being fulfilled by brake/standard 1904. It is possible, as has been suggested above, that the train in the photo was not the Ballina branch train but was instead the Ballina-Limerick train.

Junctionmad, in the Mar 1976 in your post both 36 and 39 signals are small sized semaphore signals (as was common practice) reading into the 'Pocket' loop. In the first pic in Snapper's post #54 they are both shunt signals. Snapper do you know when the photos you posted were taken? Given the presence of hi-viz vest in one of the pics I'd guess post-1976. It would be interesting to know if the signals were changed from semaphores to shunt signals as this would seem to indicate a downgrading of the loop.

The three colours are green, yellow and red. White aspects are only used on shunt signals. On the diagram the green is indicated by a vertical line on the circle, yellow by a diagonal line and red is normally represented by a horizontal line. The aspect normally shown is represented by a double line, e.g. if a signal normally displays a red aspect then there would be a double horizontal line. However, in the above diagram it woul appear that the aspects normally displayed is coloured in. So, on signals 12 and 15 the dark circle was, I'd suggest, in reality coloured red and on the Auto signal (bottom left) the dark circle was yellow as it would have been a distant signal for P15.

As Snapper says, the arrangement at the Limerick end of the Direct Curve was to prove sufficient signaling overlap / protection so that a train from Dublin could be signaled onto the direct curve at the same time a train from Limerick was signaled either into Limerick Junction or towards Waterford. The overlap / protection was provided by the headshunt on the Limerick side of Milltown level crossing.

The pocket loop was to provide a passing loop on the Limerick - Waterford route without trains having to go into Limerick Jct itself. It also enabled loco-hauled trains coming off the Waterford line and heading for the Cork direction, or vice versa, to run round. For example beet trains between Wellington Bridge and Mallow.

Strange that the didn't put the full EVN on thr loco sides at the same time.

josefstadt , a question, how did the track work west of Keane's points work out was that a loop , presumably the direct curve then rejoined onto the Limerick line further west.

 

How /where did the single line electric train staff get handed over for a train taking the direct curve ?

 

Thanks

Junctionmad, sorry that I missed noticing that the Limerick end of the layout was missing (I was scanning Limerick Jct from the Dublin-Cork pages). Here is the scan from the Limerick-Waterford pageswhich shows the missing piece:

As BSGSV says, there was a subsidiary E.T.S. instrument in a hut at Milltown. A signalman would walk out to that location (about ¼-mile) to either hand up or collect the staff from a train using the Direct Curve. Having the subsidiary instrument at Milltown meant that the section between Milltown and Dromkeen would have been occupied for less time than if the staff had to be transported to/from Limerick Jct North cabin.

Yes, it worked! Do you know if either of those coaches was a corridor compartment?

The first coach was a side corridor compartment coach, either one of the 1952-built series 2130-36 or the 1954-build series 2137-61. The second coach looks like one of the 1958-built open standards from the series 1449-96.

Noel, the coaches you remember travelling in were steel panelled coaches (i.e. steel panels on a timber frame, commonly referred to in the media as 'wooden bodied coaches') not laminates. The SSM coach you link to is a model of a GSR-built Bredin-designed composite class coach. The vehicles built by CIÉ up to the introduction of the Park Royals (i.e. 1339 - 1378) were based on these coaches and were sometimes referred to as 'Bredins', although the CIÉ design was a development of the GSR design, the main difference being n increase in the carriage length from 60' 0" to 61' 6". The laminates, which came after the Park Royals were not based on the GSR Bredin stock but were a development of the Park Royals designed vehicles, being of the wider 10' 2" width. The principal differences between the laminates and the Park Royals were a smoother outline and the 10' 2" width being carried through to the ends of the vehicles.

Junctionmad, here is the layout as depicted in the Quail book from 2004. I don't think that there were any huge changes to the track layout betwee the period you are thinking about and the one shown here. One change that did take place was the per way tidying up the area around the old loco shed. The links in Glenderg's post above might give an idea of what the area looked like in the 1970s/80s. As far as I remember, there were two sidings between the shed and the down main and the, I think, four roads inside the shed.

N.b. the full text of the words 'Dublin Heuston' at the bottom left is 'Miles from Dublin Heuston'.

Left Hand: 'Let's start running freight trains to Cork again and we could use North Esk Yard'. Right Hand: 'Let's dismantle the track in North Esk Yard and maybe even see if we can dispose of the land'.

Well remembered Broithe! Here's a pic of George's silo from the old site:

A superb replica of an interesting prototype.

The laminates dated from the mid to late 1950s and were all open coaches, not compartments. During the early 1950s CIÉ built a number of series of side corridor compartment coaches, both standard class and composite class varieties. If you remember travelling in six-seat compartments then you were probably travelling in a declassified first class section of a former composite. The standard class compartments had eight seats whereas those in first class had only six. The number series of the various series were: Standard Class = 1339-50 (7 x 8-seat compartments), 1351-55 (7 x 8), 1372-78 (7 x 8); Composite Class = 2124-29 (1st 3 x 6 + Std 4 x 8), 2130-36 (4 x 6 + 3 x 8), 2137-61 (4 x 6 + 3 x 8). During 1961/62 a further 8 composite coaches of a different internal design went into service. 2172-79 had three 6-seat first class compartments and seats for 28 standard class passengers in an open saloon.

Somebody did build a really nice one a while back - possibly on the old site - can anybody remember who it was?

 

I wonder if it was Geoergeconna...?

Scahalane built a cement depot as part of his stunning 'Kent Station' layout. Was it that one you were thinking of?

Irish Railway Record Society Volume 21 February 2003 No 150 is a great source of the information you will need. Try contacting the Society as they still have old issues.

This was the first of a 3-part series, the other two parts being in Journals 151 and 152. As Rich says contact the IRRS. If you want to visit the Society, the library re-opens next Tuesday 2 September.

I wonder when this was written '... Stephen Aherne, the freight manager, is considering ways of making further wagons available.' He has not been Freight Manager for many years.

The current issue of Continental Modeller (September) has an interesting article on Eurotrack which is an international 'association of model railway clubs from across Europe'. The association includes 12 clubs from eight countries - Britain, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Italy and Hungary. The article outlines the history of the association and sets out details of the standardised module adopted. I know that Eurotrack uses HO standards but the concept and practices might be of interest to OO modellers on this thread.

The next Eurotrack exhibition is due to be held in Southampton on 20/21 September. The principal layout is due to be made up of some 44 modules totalling over 53m in length. See: http://solentmodelrailwaygroup.webs.com/ for information.

Seán, I don't think anybody produces these. Walthers has a kit called the 'Medusa Cement Company' but this includes eight silos and they don't look very like the Irish examples. Your best bet would probably be to scratch build your silo using a length of plastic pipe or a cardboard tube covered in thin plasticard. Check out these sites: