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  1. Read the entry AGAIN

    No one said they were Supertrain coaches

    You would think even at Christmas you could behave

     

    Sorry Wrenneire, but your original post refers to each of the coaches as 'CIE Supertrain Mk 2d ......'.

  2. Thanks Gambit for your reply.

    I have already taken other's advice and posted an image of a table on Irish Coaches under Questions and Answers looking for help in filling the gaps. Unfortunately I was very disappointed in the lack of response to my question.

     

    Sorry Kieran. I started to do some work on getting this info together but got side-tracked! Will put something up on the Q&A forum when I get a chance.

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    221Sa builder unknown from a Q Kits B201

     

    Lovely looking model John. Certainly does capture the feel of the prototype. Now all you need is a rake of ex-AEC push-pull cars to complete the scene.

  4. Yes, up until the introduction of the Mk II A.C. stock in 1972 all coaching stock vehicles could operate in service with each other. The Mk II A.C. stock could , as BSGSV says above, operate with non-A.C. stock but only one of the types could be in service (e.g. an A.C. train could be mixed with out of service non-A.C. stock or vice versa). Some of the pre-CIÉ stock lasted a long time. For example, GS&WR 3rd Class coach 845, which was introduced in 1907, was not withdrawn until 1971 so it could have operated alongside Park Royals, Cravens etc. The former State Coach, No. 351, had an even longer life having been built by the GS&WR in 1902 and not being withdrawn until the mid-1970s. The use of the State Coach (along with a GSV to provide power and heat) on trains composed of A.C. stock was an exception to the normal practice of only having one portion of mixed trains in service as the President could travel in 351 while regular passengers travelled in the A.C. part of the train. Having no connection between the two parts of the train was of course a security plus.

  5. I do not want to get too off thread here but since it was brought up above, can someone tell me what is the difference between a standard and a super standard? Does this refer to the physical make up of a coach or livery as I thought was maybe suggested earlier in the thread?

     

    DC, hope this helps answer your query:

    Up until 1956 passenger accommodation was designated either ‘First Class’ or ‘Third Class’. In that year, ‘Third Class’ was re-designated ‘Second Class’ and the number 3 on the doors was replaced with a 2. This situation lasted until September 20 1965 when ‘Second Class’ became known as ‘Standard Class’. The ‘First Class’ name did not change.

     

    The next change occurred in 4 December 1972 when, with the introduction of the Mk IId air-conditioned stock (the ‘Supertrain’), the ‘First Class’ name was changed to ‘Super Standard’. Along with the change in name, the practice of issuing ‘First Class’ tickets also ceased. From that date only ‘Standard Class’ tickets were issued and travel in the ‘Super Standard’ portion of the train was available upon the payment of flat-fee supplement, initially £1. This could either be paid at a booking office or on the train.

  6. DC, the green coaches could indeed go with N Class and other steam locos. They could also be used with early diesels up to and including the B141s, as the originals wouldn't all have been repainted by 1962 when the 141s arrived. The B&T versions would fit in with all diesels excluding the 071s and the 201s, but only when the locos carried the B&T livery. For example 4001, which was built in 1907 as GS&WR 3rd class No. 845, lasted in traffic until 1971, a total of 64 years!. Paint one grey and renumber it into departmental stock you probably could justify running them in a slightly later era.

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