jhb171achill

On 18/4/2024 at 3:28 PM, Galteemore said:

Vintage Carriages Trust entry on the Clifden coach; http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=3897

 

And that was 24 years ago!

In the 1950s and 60s, I recall meeting several English gentlemen in the west of Ireland who had retired there in twilight years. Some of these had been involved in the Second World War - recall one with a very grand accent and handlebar moustache.

He had been an RAF pilot, who boasted in very un-PC terms about the people he had dropped bombs on….

In reality, people like this often privately flew for enjoyment well into their older years.

Here we see a picture taken by former Wing Commander Sir Tarquin Smythe-Plumley-Chumley (7th Marquis of Castletown) from his Cessna 3-seater in summer 1966, as the 11:40 local leaves Dugort Harbour…..

1 hour ago, Colin R said:

Hi guys imagine if you can the late 1950 early 1960's most Irish narrow gauge railways had gone by then, however lets assume for a while and a lets say that the West Clare had lived on for a few more years, so what I am after is would there have been a corporate livery for all PW wagons at this time and what sort of shade of gray would it have been?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Colin Rainsbury

   

Plain wagon grey at that stage. With extremely few exceptions, departmental stock at that time was standard wagon grey. The running number would typically end in “A”, thus 456A or 207A on the side, in standard wagon-style font.

Chassis same colour as wagon; if it was a crew coach, same plain grey (green with red ends later on), but with dark grey / black roof.

Flying Snails sometimes painted, usually stencilled, in white. After 1963, roundels which could variously be all-white or tan surround.

Many or most wagons had “PWD” stencilled on sides.

Steam cranes either wagon grey or black.

“Oh, brilliant, just brilliant. How’d it happen? Where’s Phil? Anyone told PJ yet?”

“Did you get the eggs?”

”Yeah, they’re up here with me - want a lift into town?”

”What time will you be back?”

“I’ve only to bring this van up, coming back light. Sure ye can hop up here, and Margaret can come too…”

”OK, get down and give me a hand liftin’ the messages up….”

1 minute ago, IrishTrainScenes said:

What service?

09:30, methinks. Ye on it?

I’m off to Belfast to meet cronies in the morning. Prob my last time in GVS, as I’ll be getting off the Enterprise in Portydown and getting a local to GVS…..

5 minutes ago, Niles said:

And the rest on the newbuild Woolwich? 

Achill D16, for the DCDR, with coal bill paid by me in perpetuity.

22 minutes ago, Horsetan said:

I first saw the Clifden carriage in 1988. I remember it as being relatively complete, in a very faded grey/green shade.

I last saw it in 2001. By then, it had been partly wrapped in sheets to keep some of the elements out, but some of the exterior timbers were missing, exposing the interior.

Presumably a bit more of it has fallen off since then.

Exactly - it’s beyond help now.

5 hours ago, Mayner said:

437k Euro down from 763k looks like the Hotel is profitable enough to restore the carriage either as a tax deductible expense in connection with the maintenance of the hotel and its grounds or a donation to a charitable trust dedicated to restoring the carriage say over a 10 year period.

Either way it would reduce the investors/shareholders tax liabilities.

After all the re-development of the Station into a Hotel-Golf resort is likely t have taken place under one of the Irish Government's tax incentive  (money laundering) schemes of the 1990s. 

Nice idea but unlikely to happen being Ireland

Indeed.

I know the owner of the hotel. His initial idea was to restore and convert it into a coffee shop overflow seating area, having it parked at the platform beside the bar / cafe. However, this fell foul of catering / health and safety matters, so he had to abandon it. I discussed the implications of restoring it at the time - this is (at a wild guess) fifteen years ago or more. Even then, it was in very ropey condition.

This gentleman is a very, very busy man indeed - he runs not just this hotel but another very large local company as well. I would imagine that this vehicle is extremely low on his priority list, as he has now no likely use for it. Having now spent over sixty years in the open, in Irish weather, we can all guess as to its state.

We need not lament its fate. Whitehead has an identical one, as does Downpatrick. All require a rebuild, though the Whitehead one is marginally more stable than the others. Downpatrick also has a 2nd class version of the same. Thus, if the tooth fairy ever brought the necessary cash, a three coach MGWR train of six-wheelers could be assembled; Downpatrick would seem to be the only suitable place - and there, it could join two BCDR six-wheelers, one GNR one and one GSWR one!

I have just revealed my "Carriage Project", to commence when I win the Euromillions - because, in truth, that's precisely what I would do with a fair chunk of the loot................

1 hour ago, Westcorkrailway said:

https://picclick.co.uk/Dapol-Class-Y1-Sentinel-4wVBT-0-4-0-No-126429565349.html

Just occurs to me..... obviously this thing is grey, as everything was then (black is always wrong for these as none lasted to the 1950s); but somewhere in the cobweb of my mind is a notion - possibly driven by a photo showing faded lined transfer lettering - suggesting that the dark coach maroon might have appeared on one anyway....very highly unlikely, but I wonder did anyone else have any thoughts on this....

4 hours ago, Horsetan said:

Basically a new-build, so.

4 hours ago, Horsetan said:

Basically a new-build, so.

Exactly, as are the two at Downpatrick. The one at Whitehead, 62M, is also in a very sorry state.

52 minutes ago, Horsetan said:

We don't often hear about the oul station at Clifden, but it has made national news....

Is that MGWR 6-wheel carriage still rotting there?

It is. It’s quite beyond hope now - a complete rebuild would be necessary.

10 minutes ago, Flying Snail said:

Apparently you'd also need to be emissions free @jhb171achill. My pot belly runs on Guinness, so thats probably no good anyhow 

 

The more guinness, the more emissions......

11 hours ago, Flying Snail said:

You'll have an old pot belly stove in there, surely?

Well, I'm developing a pot belly - does that help?

51 minutes ago, derek said:

You're under pressure now boy No half measures will do at this stage. Am I right lads?

The new-build "Sir Henry" will need to be steam-tested by the weekend after next.........

I can smell the sea air, cresote on sleepers, and a faint whiff of coal smoke from the UG which has just left with the Dundalk local....... and is that a smell of fish'n'chips from that beaten-up oul van parked up beside the beach, down the road?

Mind those seagulls, by the way.

Yes, they are. Some future releases of these vehicles, which had not been finalised at the time Hattons closed, have been abandoned, but the CIE liveries were amongst the batch to go ahead. So they will appear. Latest info suggests later this year. Sadly, the GSR maroon one which was in discussion will not appear, but both green liveries plus the blackntan full brake will.

It's 59 years this month since six-wheeled coaches were used in traffic, the very last use being in the Cork area, almost certainly on Youghal excursions. Cork had the distinction of having the last ones still in traffic, by that stage mostly of ex-MGWR origin, but the full brakes tended to be of ex-GSWR origin, and as non-passenger vehicles, half a dozen of them remained in use tagged onto the ends of passenger trains carrying parcels and mails, until various dates between 1965 and 1970. Two officially survived until 1970 in traffic, but I've seen a picture of one of these (in black'n'tan) taken in, I think, 1969, and it was clear that while still technically on the books it had not been in use for some time. The latest date I've seen a picture of one actually in a train was in the consist of a Galway mail train in 1968.

Ennnnyway; Rails of Sheffield will be shipping them out, and I am told that orders placed with hattons will be fulfilled by them. I certainly hope so, as several examples are sold out on pre-order and I want one of each. In a pre-1963 rural train, the contrast between a modern Park Royal or laminate, and one of these elderly survivors, was immense - I'm looking forward to being able to replicate this in model form. Six wheel first, Park Royal and tin van, behid a J15 one day, and a C or an A the next; perfect. Just sorry I never actually travelled in one.

Well done, Oisín, enjoy!

49 minutes ago, Ironroad said:

Sounds "Irish" but for once it isn't, very strange

Is it allowed in the street where Johnston Cameron-Mogg lives?

Indeed; and therein lies the problem...."if they wanted to". Easy solution, but they seem determined to complete a fifty year long run-down of this route. Next it'll be like the Nenagh branch, with two trains a month, frequent closures, and speeds somewhat below what my grandson achieves on his pedal scooter.

Many of us know that the emulsion on old colour slides can deteriorate with age. Some brands of film were longer lasting than others; both of these images were taken on the same day, 23rd May 1965.

A55 is engaged in shunting the morning Tralee goods in one picture, taken on cheap film, but Crossleys being Crossleys, the loco is pictured on the old loco road having failed an hour later; this taken with good quality Agfa film. Sure you’d swear I only took it five minutes ago.

A couple of days train-spotting deep in the Kingdom on 12th April 1957.

Shunting of the Tralee goods was in progress…. A30 being in charge.

The GNR van had come all the way from a place called Brookhall Mill, who used to send rolls of linen to O’Sullivans Textiles at Dugort, who produced a large variety of linen souvenir goods for the many tourist souvenir shops in West Kerry. 

Business was good, as Americans considered the finished products to be, like, awesome, man.

In the background, Park Royal 1940 and a tin van will form the afternoon passenger local to Castletown West, hauled by a J15.

59 minutes ago, Noel said:

Short sighted. Commuters from wexford, gorey, Arklow, Wicklow encouraged to get off the roads and use public transport (ie rail), but the service is already too slow and now they want to axe it? Darwin!

Yes, you couldn’t make this up. This is West-Cork-ism; it’s as clear as day they want to close it, at least south of Gorey; quite possibly south of Wicklow.

Very well said indeed. The proposal is by far the stupidest thing ever devised; it clearly indicates the utterly moronic view of railways held within the NTA.

1 hour ago, Galteemore said:

The tram crossing the Bridge looks like a Chamberlain car, delivered c1928-30. So possibly early 30s. Definitely pre-war. 

I’d actually shtick me neck out and say the railway sequence is 1930s.