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Limerick Works - Building Usage in the 1970-1990s?

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I'm mulling over the idea of a small shunting layout in 21mm gauge. I have strong memories of Limerick in the 1980s and although the railway has a vast sprawl aound the city, there are opportunities for smaller cameo scenes. With my main interest being wagons and locos, the wagon works and stabling point seem like they might be a good place to model. But the usage of these buildings has changed over time, and I'd like to make sure my plan is plausible. I'm most interested in what each of the buildings was used for in the 1970s-1990s period.

 

Some photos from Ernie on Flickr show the array of buildings in the wagon works area, from left to right...

Bus depot on the far left, then the Foynes line, then older and newer buildings part of the wagon works:

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Just visible on the right-hand edge of the photo above is the original WLWR works:

Limerick works jul99 s857

Further to the right, the stabling point:

b Limerick 183 June 2001 a952

And the main lines are beyond that further to the right:

IR 1999-04-02 Limerick 189 backs Bubbles into sdgs G Roose053

There's a fascinating mix of ancient and modern buildings here, and a mix of locos and wagons with a main line passing too.

There are also some interesting links here showing a traverser, and some present-day interior views of the buildings:

https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/11551-limerick-wagon-works-traverser/#comment-178608

https://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com/2024-Photos/July-2024/i-qMBP3WJ

Here's a present-day aerial image from Google maps, on which I've drawn some coloured outlines:

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Working upwards from the bottom:

The bus depot shown in purple is, I think, on the site of the former loco shed? The Foynes line runs just north of that.

The green building is presently the wagon works, the blue buildings are derelict and I'm not sure what they originally were, or when they fell out of use.

The old WLWR works/shed is shown in orange, and I assume the red part behind was also part of the works as it was built in a similar style. These buildings are presently used for railcar servicing. Were they part of the wagon works at one time, or was this always a loco facility? Ernie's photo above shows a wagon in the left-hand road and a loco in the right-hand road. This 1980s photo shows a lot of wagons, and what might be a carriage in the middle road:

18.43 Limerick shed July 1988

Finally, the small brick building with the bay windows, shown in yellow on the map. What was its history and purpose?

I'm thinking that for a small wagon shunting layout, the yard in that last photo might be a nice place to model. 3 sidings for shunting wagons, a fourth track behind the brick building to stable spare locos. Some characterful buildings, and a place that I remember well.

But there are other interesting areas of the works too, like the traverser, the loco stabling point and the buildings nearer the Foynes line. I can't fit it all in!

I'd welcome any info on the history of the works buildings and activities here, or pointers towards articles on the topic.

 

Cheers,

Mol

 

 

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I scanned a couple of old maps and plans from my books.

This is Limerick in 1858 (as built), which shows the original shed. It looks like the smaller buidlings at the back of the shed are original:

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This is Limerick in 1900, and some aspects of this track layout may still be the same today:

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I have had a trawl through the National Library of Ireland online photo archive, which contains a very good selection of images of this part of Limerick and helps to identify when the major changes took place. There are also photos of the signal box track/signalling diagrams from 1959 and 1974 (for both the Station and Check boxes) which help to confirm the track layout of the running lines and some of the sidings.

From this I have discovered that the original WLWR loco shed was used as a steam loco workshops until 1962, and the smaller building behind it (to the west) was the fitting shop. The larger sheds just north of the Foynes line were the wagon works. 

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000305892

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000306360

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000305899

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000306231

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000306904

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000305900

In 1962/3 there were some major changes. The loco works was closed and the area around it tidied up, with redundant sidings between the shed and the main line removed along with a load of accumulated junk. A nice green lawn was planted! The loco works building became part of the wagon works, but the right-hand track into it was removed. T

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000306902

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000306650

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000307038

This is a great general view but is flipped left/right: https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000307276

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000307749

 

In 1974 there were some more major changes to the track layout, associated with the resignalling of the whole Limerick area. Both the station and check cabins were converted to electonic panels with colour light signals. The old loco shed south of the Foynes line was cleared and the site used for a bus depot. This meant the locos had to move back to their original home, and so the green lawn was ripped up and replaced with some stabling sidings and a fueling point. The third line into the old WLWR shed was also reinstated and this appears to have been used for loco maintenance while the other 2 tracks remained part of the wagon works.

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000308203

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000308161

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000308204

https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000308111

I think the layout remained basically the same then into the 1990s, though the fuelling point facilities were improved and at some point a carriage wash plant was installed on the adjacent line. Photos from Tarkaman, Ernie, Pete Robins, Dan Hitchens:

18.43 Limerick shed July 1988 Limerick shed 053 + 038 24oct92 s256

 

IR082-018 Limerick 121 Limerick Limerick works jul99 s857 d Limerick 150 May2003 a384

At some stage I'll see if I can create a trackplan of the area for the 1974-1990s period.

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The GeoHive Map Viewer has some satellite coverage of the works from the 90s, though it’s not very clear.

Below is from 1995:

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While below again is from, I would guess, the mid-late 90s:

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Regrettably the coverage isn’t too clear. Quite good for nearly 30 years ago, though, considering how much technology it’s taken to get where we are now, that is, definitely not the best we could be at in terms of Google earth etc.

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That’s great, many thanks! I think I can make out the traverser at the back of the wagon works on those views, and they help to confirm the position of the carriage wash plant. 
It also looks like the main lines have been reballasted so maybe some alterations there too. 

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Sorting through my old Irish photos a couple of days ago, I actually found one of my own which shows the end of the traverser pit and that it was fed by just one external siding:

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The corner of the 1858 WLWR shed is on the left; the main wagon works building is on the right. I was almost certainly trespassing, but didn't dare go any further!

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