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3 minutes ago, mphoey said:

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Think I know which one you're talking about.

Potentially a commission by either IRM or Adrian at some point in the future.

Love this. Surely a potential one for IRM to commission in the future?

What method was used to make the AOA models; transfers or something else?

4 hours ago, Warbonnet said:

Hi everyone,

Just to let you know that we have passed the 50% sold figure on these, so we would advise hopping on them as soon as you can. Thanks to everyone who ordered and repaid our faith!

Cheers!

Fran

That's brilliant news.

I suspect these will be sold out before they even arrive in stock.

Hopefully, a positive sign for further Irish based vehicles/buses from IRM.

Heljan already produce these tank wagons in 4mm scale. Same as the tanks used on ESSO North Wall-Sligo & (Oranmore) Claremorris oil trains.

https://www.hattons.co.uk/203086/heljan_1154_4_wheel_a_tank_44290_in_esso_grey_with_1980s_hazchem_symbols_weathered/stockdetail.aspx

The Class B wagons are the correct size for the Irish wagons if I remember correctly; the Class A wagons were longer in length so unprototypical for the Irish wagons.

Previous IRM thread here : 

The F5 function on a MM 201 sound chip is for the compressor.

The manuals are available as downloads on the MM website.

Dynamic braking is not a feature on either the 071 or 201 Class locos. As already eluded to in an earlier reply, the 201's did have a form of dynamic braking, but this was disabled shortly after they entered service.

2 hours ago, Robert Shrives said:

Hi 

I have had  NIR hunslet, C Class from John and excellent productions, so indeed a shame pic fuzzy . At £43 for a kit not a bad punt  to save filler time but looking forward to the RTR version...   Ordered pack just now  and could repaint  a Old lima BG in yellow as it was over length IIRC .. while waiting.    

Robert 

Each to their own, I suppose. If you are happy with your Silver Fox purchases and they meet your needs, that's great.

However, the concensus of many other modellers is that they are inaccurate. The cab shape on their A and C Class locos has the totally wrong profile. Their weedspray van gives a very general appearance when viewed from a distance of the real thing, but on closer inspection, doesn't really pass the accuracy test, and would appear rather insufficient alongside the highly detailed weedspray wagons that IRM have released.

Just now, murphaph said:

The picture is really fuzzy. Does anyone have a clearer one?

It's probably best that the picture is fuzzy.

Maybe get people to put their money where their mouths is and set up a pay in advance order scheme for the van. If the required number of orders is not reached, then people either get their money back or can transfer the money to pay for another IRM item or items.

Weedspray wagons look excellent, and is a very niche item also for the IRM guys to release.

This layout never ceases to amaze me. Simply stunning.

1 hour ago, enniscorthyman said:

Was not 071 released in grey livery along with 088?.

It was. Forgot about that one.

Loco no. 071 only ever released in black/silver livery by MM.

The MM 071 is an excellent model, but MM have none left in their warehouse, so its basically a case of checking what stockists have left in stock, ebay or the various model shows if you are after a particular model.

The MM model accurately reflects the class until the end of 2015 detail wise, but would not be entirely protypical for the real locos in their current specification. 

6 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I was asking if they were the only two 071 models in the IR livery, following on from the theme of the most desirable MM locos.

 

Apologies, misunderstood what you meant.

Yes, MM only produced two IR liveried 071's.

9 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Thank you, I have been confusing the models and real life.

That makes complete sense what you say about the Mk2D colour.

The livery on the MM 088 loco is probably far too light a shade of colour as the real 071's, when delivered, had a more brownish tint to their paint colour than the CIE tan used on everything else that was black and tan at that time.

All 071 Class locos carried IR livery during the IR period and for a time in the IE period.

The 073 model reflects the loco in the IR period. The main differences in it's current condition  being the marker lights, removal of cab handrails and handbrake wheel.

13 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

So, the 071's were delivered in the wrong livery, more or less.

When repainted, were they in a different shade to the SuperTrain coaches?

To my eye, the "wrong" livery looks closer to the ST coaches than the ST livery?

Don't confuse the model liveries with the real things. When the 071's were delivered, they were in a different shade to the Mk.2's, but when they were repainted at Inchicore, they then matched the current CIE liveried coaches and locos at that time.

There has been much debate on here about the orange shade used on the MM Mk.2's being incorrect. The MM Mk.2's should match the livery shade on 086, but are more akin to the orange shade used on carriages and locos in IR and IE period.

The top three items for anyone into the current scene has to be ICR's, current spec liveried 201's and current spec liveried 071's; none of which are readily available RTR at present, although IC liveried 201's were available previously, but at a time when there was possibly less Irish scene modellers than there are today, so a lot of modellers probably missed out on these.

After that, you have the various DMU and EMU classes.

We will have the weedspray wagons being released from IRM which certainly ran on the network until very recently.

There are rumours that MM might be producing some current liveried 201's after the 121's have all been released, but I suspect that IRM are more likely the ones to produce çurrent day locos, units and rolling stock in the future.

That is pretty much the whole list of what is available for the current scene. With the exception of the spoil wagons, all the rest are long sold out, so only available from either ebay or some of the model shows.

The Bachmann autoballasters were not totally prototypical for the Irish ones, but a good likeness, in fairness.

The MM 071 grey models are also not totally prototypical as they still have the cab handrails attached and the older type handbrake wheel. The black and silver 071's are only prototypical until the end of 2015 due to the older type handbrake wheel.

A new run of the current liveried 201's and an updated 071 Class model would be very welcome.

Majority of the flat wagons on the current liner trains are the 47' version, with only a small number of the 42' version used for this purpose.

Hopefully, the next batch of IRM announcements might have something for the current scene in it.

11 hours ago, murphaph said:

On page 56 of Irish Railway Rambler there is a tippexed EGV (rest of train still in ST) and the it does not appear to have all black coach ends yet. The wraparound orange and black ST seems intact to me, with just the tippex stripes being added and stopping a few inches around the corner of the end of the coach. The EGV is not identified in the book.

The photograph is very early IR days though (87) but it's still valid I think. I doubt it would have gotten the black ends for a while after that shot was taken.

That would have been the exception rather than normal by that stage. EGV's were normally the poor relations when it came to repaints as they were always needed in service.

3 hours ago, WRENNEIRE said:

So the IR & IE coaching stock would originally have been similar to the Supertrain stock, Ist Class, Composite, Standards Restaurant & EGV
As there were only 4  of each IE with Orange & Black roofs modelled by MM would there be a demand for 1sts & Comps, although most of the Comps were converted to Standards at some stage?
Also some more running numbers in the Standards

I think that the only issue would be the carriage ends. The MM Supertrain Mk2's appear to depict the carriages as delivered with tan coloured ends and black strip, but by IR days when they started adding the white stripes, the carriage ends were painted black, similar to the MM IE Mk2's. I would suspect that this was due to that area being a known dirt trap, so the tan colour didn't stay tan for long in that area. From memory, the tan only extended to the edge of the doors at the ends of the carriages by IR period, with the section from door end to gangway connections painted black.

The attached link of a train at Greystones by Albert Bridge illustrates this.

https://www.geograph.ie/photo/3071995

1 hour ago, murphaph said:

Can some kind soul provide me with a comprehensive list of the mkIIds that MM has produced? Here in thread for the benefit of all if possible, otherwise per PM. Much appreciated! I'm getting a bit confused here.

Information on every Irish railway model ever commercially released is in the above thread, courtesy of Mr. Wrenneire of this parish.

Excellent to see these released. On my shopping list.

Any plans to do a re-run of the current liveried Tara's as per the first run? 

Also, a current spec grey livery 071 minus cab handrails and with electric handbrake would be nice,  just saying .

5 hours ago, Warbonnet said:

We will help out where possible but there is only so much we can do to help. We dont normally offer credit terms on stuff that is in stock. Email us direct and we can chat there.

Cheers!

Fran

Maybe you should check out Flexi Fi as a payment option for Ireland. Would be similar to Paypal credit in the UK.

16 minutes ago, Warbonnet said:

My only saving grace is that they’re not CIE vans

Some interesting comments on here about the market etc, and while we do know it’s growing, some of the figures being stated in the topic are ambitious to say the least. It is still quite small in general. I can’t speak for Murphy Models and I never would, but I’m sure if demand is there a new run would occur. However, a few large EBay sales does not necessarily mean sufficient demand for a large production run is there (which is a 4 figure sum.) It also has to compete against two forthcoming models in a niche market. Maybe in the near future, but I’d be surprised if it was right now.

Cheers!

Fran

 

Fair points, Fran. Think it's fair to say there is a more than sufficient supply of new Irish railway models due between now and the end of the year,  and a great thing it is too.

We are really spolit for choice these days.

And we have the forthcoming IRM announcement that you mentioned recently to look forward to aswell.