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Which raises the question, WHODUNNIT?

That question may never be answered........!!!!!!!

 

The story I heard from a per way guy I know who has been working with the new auto-ballasters is that they're using 4-wheelers for some jobs because the autos were built to the existing 4ft 8.5in guage specs, meaning they don't dispense ballast in the correct position. Guess the older wagons have a stay of execution until they can devise a modification...

Good info there Garfield which makes sense....the only modification IE can do to the autos is bring back the machinery truck wagons add air brakes-couple them to the rear of the autos-and put a machine on them to spread the ballast-problem solved....!!!!!!

A sound fitted and slightly weathered Super-train liveried 071 will be top of my list along with an IE orange/IR version and of course 112,and maybe later a black and silver 071-I'll make up my mind when I see the photos of that livery.

A 121 working in multiple with a 141 on my fertliser or ammonia trains would be the icing on the cake for me in the future along with a Super-train liveried highly detailed 001 class-(I hope your reading this Mr Murphy)......

There is no div 4 which deepens the mystery

According to a good and reliable friend-Division 42 was the name given to a per-way gang that was involved in the relaying and upgrading of the Belfast-Dublin route during the 1990s-a ballast train was allocated to the route for the duration of the work and a few wagons had the Div 42 wrote on the side so that the train wouldn't stray too far away from the route,

Thanks T for the info,there will be a few pints paid for you when we meet up in a few weeks time.

Does anybody know if the IWT liners and Tara mines will operate over the bank holiday monday ?

The IWT liner is operating tomorrow,226 will have the CPWs from Ballina.

good find! fair play to colm o callahgan for producing that vid...i could watch it overand over! love the sound of the A class as she trundles away on the single line through the countryside-magic! the timeless scene at the level crossing where the lady of the gate gives the friendly wave to the driver......those were the days:)

Colm always has top class work-both in pictures and videos,a gentleman,

He has an excellent early morning photo of 082 on an engineers train at Killiney in the August edition of Rail Express magazine.

found this beautiful wagon in a siding off the depot in portlaoise....anyone got any info on it? looks like its for the cutters torch:(

 

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Another great find HF,

The wagon is described as a"machinery truck"in an old CIE working timetable,

It has a capacity of 20 tonnes and weighs 12 tonnes,

There is a photo of one on page 22 of"Rails through the West" on the River Fergus bridge in Ennis.

CIE had six of these machinery trucks,no's 23957 to 23962.

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saw these babys fully loaded in the depot sidings in portlaoise twice this week. since i saw some of the wagons cut up at the north wall, i assumed they were all out of service waiting the same faith .......any info on why they are still being used? great to see them still in service!!

 

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lastly, anyone explain what div 42 stands for on the side of this one?

Great photos there HF-and great to see the two axle ballast wagons still being maintained and in use,I see Limerick wagon works are still doing exams and brake tests on them which means they will be around for a while yet,

It seems that it is cheaper for IE to use the wagons as they are more flexible to use than the autoballasters,e.g-the autoballaster wagons can only be used in a Perway possession on some lines-and normally after the passenger service has finished-and would have a road/rail machine behind them to spread the ballast evenly,

The two axle wagons can be used in between the passenger train operation as has been seen recently between Mallow and Tralee,they run to a particular station,after running around the train it works back into the section dumping the ballast at a designated spot on the line,returning empty to Mallow to reload-it's even better to have two plough vans and either end for spreading the ballast,

I have no idea where division 42 is-as CIE/IE have only 28 permanent way divisions across the country.

The one in Knockcroghery I was thinking about was on the end of a lifted siding at the Athlone side of the level crossing on the down side . I only noticed it on the train once after the scrub had been clearde in perparation for the new level crossing around 88/89 but I don't know if it's still there? Any pic of one of these even covered in ivy would be great.

Ah yes-your right-it's still there today on the downside-it can be seen from the old road which runs alongside the railway,

I'll work on the Castlerea one over the next few days.

Another silly question...

 

After the Supertrain livery was introduced how long did the Black and Tan livery last for? Would it have taken a long time to repaint all the locos?

 

I would assume there were none by the time the 071s were introduced.

Not a silly question-but an interesting one....

According to the IRRS journal from February 1977,it states

All the 121 class were repainted into Supertrain/golden brown livery by October 1976,

Of the 141 class 17 out of 37 had been repainted with 10 out of 12 181 class repainted,B181 and B191 were left to be repainted,

I'm guessing that all of the 001 class had been repainted by 1977,and I'd say by the end of 1978 the remaining 141s would have been done,so they would have worked alongside the newly introduced 071s for a few months,

Hope this answers your question.

Hey Lads could anyone help me with some photos of the Concrete poured Buffer stops that used to be found all around the system at the end of sidings until the late 90's. I remeber a couple survivng at Claremorris , Castlerea and Knockrockery till the track renewal programme came along. I think I remember one lingering at Wicklow junction as well. Anyway would love to model a few of these so any info pics would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Magpie1951,

The large concrete buffer stop in Claremorris was removed with some difficulty when the Mayo line CTC was commissioned in June 2007,

It's still there today-but is lying on its side away from the line,

The concrete stopper is still in Castlerea station at the end of the up siding-but part of it is covered in ivy-I'll try and get a photo of it for you over the next few days,but it may not be of great detail,

There is another one in Castlerea-but this one is covered with briars and ivy and small trees-and is located on the down side,where the old loco shed used to be,

I don't remember ever seeing a concrete stopper at Knockcroghery-over the last 25 years anyway,

The down siding there has a rail type buffer stop at the end of it

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Great photos Kieran,I didn't realise that the ballast wagons have levers on one end to allow discharge of the ballast-I thought they were wheel operated.

I think the wednesday working is Ballina-NW and then Thursday is NW-Ballina.. Same pattern as when the DFDS ran with the wagons stabling in Ballina during the week..

Correct MOGUL,that is the pattern-

The ex Ballina liner on Wednesday is due in Northwall between 15:30-16:00,so you might have to make an excuse and leave work earlier to see it.

Any of you guys good with Photoshop could do a billboard surrounding around the picture. If Noel doesn't mind

 

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A great idea Anthony-I'd like to see someone having a go at that

Not a bad attempt Vincent,

If the old type CIE Go mainline rail or take the train in black or white lettering was along the bottom-then it would look great-nice one.

It would look well on any layout.

Also available from Seamus Graham's paint-shop are the Super train Mk3s which Seamus lightly weathered for me,they look great behind 192-but will look even better behind an 071 from October.

7101 standard coach

7401 dining car.

Behind 192.

Thanks Seamus.

 

I don't suppose you know the timings for these additional liners? Particularly around Kildare?

Yes-expect the additional IWT liners to pass Kildare between 14:30-15:00 on Wednesday and 12:45-13:15 on Thursdays.

Withdrawn 181 class loco 191.

Recently spotted on the back of Donnell and Ellis low loader was withdrawn loco 191 heading for Tara Jctns loco depot

After being unloaded the body shell was dumped at the back of the loco sheds awaiting a decision on its future

Today the Chief mechanical engineer came to view the loco and it was decided that the loco was uneconomic to repair-so the decision has been made to scrap the loco,

Here we see the loco about to be stripped of all useful parts-while the tender goes out for the cutting up of the loco

For the younger members of the group,

The real loco 191 was Northwall pilot loco on 17th August 1991 when after being left unattended mysteriously ran driverless from Northwall as far as Clonsilla where the signalman diverted the runaway loco into a siding where it collided with the buffer stop,catching fire in the process,

After being brought back to Inchicore the loco was dumped at the back of the works and stripped for spare parts,eventually being cut up sometime in 1998-the first 181 class to be withdrawn and scrapped

The model is a former MIR white metal kit.

Photo taken between the Curragh and Kildare in 1984,according to an IRRS journal around that time the train was one of the first sets of Mk3s to be formed and was used as a publicity shoot for the introduction of the trains to various routes,

A public timetable from 1984 has a picture of the same train on its cover-taken from the opposite side to the above photo.

cheers Rich just wondering, does anyone know when the LED clusters were introduced to the 071s? Late 90s?

The 071's along with the 121/141/181's began to get those LED marker lights from late 2000 and mainly during 2001,077 being one of the first locos to be fitted with them from what I can remember.

[ We plan a skeleton flat as built by CIE and suitable for a standard 20ft container. I might even do a model of the orange CIE container to go on it.

I would definatly be interested in quite a few of these MX type wagons including a container-also useful for carrying guinness pallets.

A fine impressive and highly detailed loco shed-one of the finest i've ever seen-well done to Glenderg for building such a model,and thanks for sharing Anthony.

Hey guys,

 

I'm wondering if anyone here has pics of number 726 Hedge Cutter. I've found just one picture on the internet: http://www.flickr.com/photos/be216cd1/5922260918/

 

The photographer mentions that this has been modified 'in-house' by CIE to a hedge cutter. What was it before? Any clues from the under carriage? Or any similar machines used in the UK?

 

Any help appreciated. Would love to scratch-build this unique machine.

Regards,

 

Dave

It was originally a tamping machine-before being converted to a hedge cutter,

It's not in use anymore as IE prefer to use outside contractors that have road/rail machines with hedge cutting attachments instead.

Fantastic-really really impressive,well done Paddy Murphy-definatly model of the year for 2012.

Roll on October,thanks Gareth for posting.

Can anyone tell me which type of oil wagon is this as I'm a bit confused about either which one is which

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Have seen plenty of pics of them in this archive and it's given me plenty of idea's:)

26735 is a stores oil wagon,the 'D' on the tank stands for diesel oil,

I remember the wagon being part of the ESSO oil train-also in the picture,

The wagon was used in later years to transport diesel to the Bus Eireann depot in Ballina and was often part of the 20:45 Northwall-Ballina liner returning when empty on the 22:10 Ballina-Northwall liner,sometimes it was the only wagon behind an 071 loco from Ballina-Claremorris travelling at only 35mph,

The wagon would also have been used along with others for the Alexandra rd-Inchicore fuel oil transfer which used to supply the large storage tanks at Inchicore works.