flange lubricator

Interesting thread I think the traffic to Ballinacorthy was fuel oil not petrol , so I assume it was class B using the CIE built wagons as opposed to the Charles Roberts ones in fact these train's originally had Ar class locos to haul them but were so heavy the Ar's had to be replaced by 2 x GM's .

As far as I can find out from pictures the door was removed and paneled over I currently converting a Bachmann mk2a fk by doing the same as Irish Rail

Irish Rail Purchased or swapped 16 in total with Vic Berry for 14 ex Irish Rail B201 metrovick locos in 1990

4101 mk2/2a second open converted to 64 seat open

4102 mk2/2a second open converted to 64 seat open

4103 mk2c first open converted to 54 seat open

4104 mk2c first open converted to 54 seat open

4105 mk2c first open converted to 54 seat open

4106 mk2c first open converted to 54 seat open

4107 mk2c first open converted to 54 seat open

4108 mk2/2a Second open converted to 64 seat open

4109 mk2b corridor first converted to 54 seat open

4110 mk2/2a second open converted to 64 seat open

4111 mk2c corridor first (scrapped following fire at inchicore)

4112 mk2c corridor first converted to 54 seat open

4113 mk2a corridor first converted to 54 seat open

4114 mk2a corridor first converted to 54 seat open

4401 mk2b corridor first converted to 37 seat Buffet

4402 mk2b corridor first converted to 37 seat Buffet

All were air braked so they could not run with existing mk2d fleet which were Vacuum braked.

Dutch vans 3162, 3163, and 3166 were converted to run with them as 4601 , 4602 and 4603.

Great pictures BSGSV any more of those Mk2a/b/c's

Went along sunday myself , as with all previous years a super event great crowd , no a hint of trouble , enjoyed al the perfomers a bit dissappointed with Lily Allen and her liberal use of the 'F' word between songs , for a wonderful singer and fab lyrics she let herself down especially with so many people with kids there.

So those C Rail Bells would look right at home on them? Nice![/quote

 

Yes right at home here is a picture of mine that was used in the IRRS journal 138 it was taken on the Curragh on 27th June 1997 of an evening 1940 Nth Wall to Waterford liner

Flat looks amazing. What time period would they have been used on liners?

They would have been on liners since their introduction in the early 1970's up to the present day not so much on the current Liners as they tend to use the 47'6 wagons as they take the 45' containers .

Super looking model an an essential item for anyone modelling the Irish scene .

Four Buffet Cars seem to have lasted in service into 1987 most likely for Connolly-Sligo & Rosslare Trains.

2419 Was withdrawn mid 1987 , it is now preserved at Downpatrick .

Super work John, I will certainly be ordering the Tpo and the sides for Buffet car , it would be great if you could do the interior for the Buffet car.

Mine arrived today 25th August 14 I ordered them on the 25th June 2014 , I dont have an issue with waiting in this hobby some things do take time especially when they are niche market items like these.

The Battegroupsouth have also been called Kampfgruppe Langer by some

I think it was one or two per coach or one per coach per side , nice idea I think the RPSI still use the brackets and similar boards on their trains .

They were permanent as far as I can remember depending on the service

Failte - Dublin-Cork -Dublin

Cu Na Mara - Dublin-Galway-Dublin

Sarseal-Dublin -Limerick-Dublin

There may have been more name trains than this that were named or the above may not be correct , no doubt more knowledgeable minds than mine may provide more information.

In fairness to Inchicore, the last coach was built in 1991 (I think), being 6105 and they built many of CIE's Mk.3's.

The Dutch vans were originally just boiler vans and had to be fitted with generators in the 1970's for TL use. The BR vans heralded the TL era.

Correct BSGSV! 6105 was the one of the last carraiges constructed at Inchicore , without sounding too pedantic 6105 was a BREL designed carraige , while 1145/46 were designed and built at Inchicore by CIE staff following these carraiges the cravens , Mk 2's , Mk 3's , were designed in the UK , with the finishing carried out at Inchicore the Mk3's were assembled with Jigs and parts from BREL

As the words of the novel go 'The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there' I would like to think they had Comely maidens to tend to the needs of the great unwashed like me in the standard class too

I somehow think that after this picture was taken this lady went back to the superstandard passangers. Dont think you would get a beehive under that hat.

That's very interesting John , while 1145 & 1146 were perhaps not the first to have Air conditioning even in a basic form as josefstadt and jhb171achill have pointed out , as compaired to the 'fully air conditioned mk2d's, the were certainly ahead of there time and represented the end of coach building at Inchicore , they also must have some form of steam heat too , perhaps even thermostatically controlled , as the would have to work in sets with existing stock.

With regard to the Craven 1st's I seem to rembember they had pine or oak coloured veneer paneling throughout as compared to the grey chequred plastic and the later dark beauty board in the standards even in the 1980's when they had been declassfied , one could always tell the ex 1st's by this feature , while the Murphy models craven is suberb ( I bought them all ) one niggle the non TL one's like 1149 have no battery boxes or dynamo's on the underframe which they would have carried prior to being converted to TL (Train Line) in the early 1970's with the arrival of the Dutch Vans and the BR vans

1145 and 1146 were real first class coaches among the last to be constructed at Inchicore and of that era possibily the finest , they were air conditioned note in the picture above the a/c unit on the sub frame the first in Ireland at that time and double glazed , the also were fitted with the higher spec commonwealth bogie similar to those fitted to BR mk1's.

1145 was destroyed at Buttervant and 1146 was destroyed in Belfast on 12/10/78 following a bomb attack .

Great idea John , a 2400 series dining / buffet car is much needed , the other coach I would love to see is one of the 1497/1503 laminates one of the last Inchicore built coaches these were 10'2" wide sometimes refered to as the "ultra wides" very similar to the earlier batch but wider the same profile as your tin vans they also had the improved Commonwealth bogies so the Bachmann commonwealth bogies would suit this model .

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3343839

I think thats IAC-161 which served as trainer with the Irish Air Corps from 1951 until about 1960.

Yes , me too enjoying putting the Heating Vans (HV) together at the moment .

This picture shows the visual differance between a B4 and B5 bogie the B5 has a heavier Torsion bar (circled ) and a heavier bolster plank( underlined ) and the springs are heavier on the B5

You can also use etched brass sides from Mousa Models these are for the BCK version http://www.mousa.biz/fourmm/coach/sides/CIE/cie_sides4.html

There are a couple on Paul Biglands site and to be honest they are really good considering how cramped it is for taking pictures , with the driver sitting down it gives you a good idea of what the driving postion is like.

http://PaulBigland.zenfolio.com/p942598532/e3b906d8f

http://PaulBigland.zenfolio.com/p942598532/ef2c3ba

I am currently putting together a set of Irish Rail ex BR Mk2 a/b/c's , and I have been in touch with Steve from Railtec Transfers he has now made up a complete set of numbers to suit the 4xxx series the standard coaches , the resturant cars and the gen vans , ideal to make up the complete set or for those who my want re number any of the Murphy Models mk2a's if you have duplicates , they are now available on the Railtec site http://www.railtec-models.com/index.php