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Herbert Richards of the IRRS produced a 7mm drawing of these wagons, there is a copy available in the archive section of New Irish Lines http://newirishlines.org/archive-2/

Congratulations Stephen, she will keep you busy for a few years remember the bigger she gets the more she will demand of your time and wallet

I wonder is an "Achill Bogie" D16 4.4.0 too much to ask! (I'd buy a model of all six, guaranteed!). Very limited range of operation though, fair enough....

I had intended to do the 2-4-0 & an L Class standard goods first, but will certainly look at doing the Achill Bogie an offer to buy 6 engines would be a good kick start to producing a kit .

I love the idea of a PW gang that does not seem to get their hands or clothes dirty:)

Those little Ruston & Hornsby diesels were unique to the Western Region and classed as track machines.

The MGWR set up a mechanical track re-laying system at the end of WW1 a depot in Mullingar (later scrapyard) with overhead gantry for assembling and dismantling track panels and single line track re-laying train with a conveyor system to transport track panels to and from the head of steel and a cantilever gantry to lift out the old sections and place the new.

The machine seems to havee been reasonably successful the Midland engineer sold the right to the system to Morris Cranes who built a similar machine for the LNER in 1929

The LNER machine seems to have lasted into the 1960s http://www.leedsmrs.org/jpegs/Gallery/AlanSmith/P/Ponteland%20plant%20exhib%20Morris%20Tracklayer%201961.jpg

The GSR seem to have mainly used the machine mainly for track lifting on the Midland, the crane was dismantled and the Mullingar depot converted into a scrap yard

Short of putting up €50-100k and trying to corner the market by commissioning a run of wagons from China it would be difficult to do a rtr Irish wagon in the €10-12 price range. The Dapol Prestwin or the long wheelbase Dapol coal/tank wagon chassis is probably the best option for OO.

The early steel floored flats used for B&I & Bell Container Traffic that ended up under the bagged cement and beet doubles would probably be the simplest to produce probably combining brass and whitemetal.

I have done some work on a brass version of the 22' wagon suitable for 21mm gauge, this wagon is duplicated with the Irish Freight Models flat, but the model is aimed mainly at 21mm and S4 modellers.

The main problem with skeletal 4 wheelers is the risk of de-railing due to the lack of weight. I looked at forming the skeletal framing in whitemetal to speed assembly and add weight, but ruins the look of the model.

I have sinced revised the drawings to incorporate a Bill Bedford style Universal Suspension System and I am planning to do a build basically to see if the idea will work with a light weight wagon.

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Definitely lifting architectural and structural modelling to a whole new level, the sheer scale of the structures is breathtaking.

I hope you find space to build a layout or at least a diorama of Cork Loco.

What's next the houses , shops & pubs on the lower Glanmire Road with Summerhill as a background?

I found this https://chasewaterstuff.wordpress.com/tag/midland-great-western-railway/

Unlike the GSWR the Midland tended to replace or renew its locos and stock every 25 years, in the 19th Century Attock tended to replace like with like building successive generations of similar 2-4-0s up to the K Classs in 1895.

The Ks seem to have been mixed traffic or what the Scotts called Intermediate locos with slightly smaller wheels than the "Mails' engines, these latter were "renewed" as the C Class 4-4-0s for the Sligo line in the 1910s.

The Cs endded up with the reputation of the roughest running locos in Ireland with high slung superheated boilers and weak suspension

The Ks were re-boilered in the 1920s loosing the "Flyaway" cab and besides Dublin suburban and branches seem to have worked the Sligo and Mayo Mails into the 1950s.

John I think in fairness the guy getting the stuff printed was encouraged by guys ( including me) to get stuff made and it was only when you got down to preparing the model you realised what you got. The wagon bodies were acceptable to a degree ( copies are still available) but as far as loco and coach bodies are concerned it was an uphill battle so much so i kept your E class etch for when i scratch build a body so unless the 3D printing companies have an alternative that,s not overly expensive its safe to assume etched brass and or resin is the way forward..

Gareth

I think a lot of people who work in 3D modelling like Jack saw the potential of 3D printing for producing models without realising the limitations I think he did a very good job in designing the models but was ahead of the technology and material that was available at the time.

The other downside is there is a set up cost for each individual item and the material is charged by the Cube so the proceess is very expensive for OO but reasonably competetive even with the Detail materials for an N gauge model. So a Valve Design A Class or BoBo in Frosted Ultra Detail would be a reasonable proposition in N gauge or possiby TT.

Personally I think the main benefit with 3D printing will be in producing masters for resin casting.

We originally looked at uproducing a resin body shell from a 3D printed master with brass overlays as a simple way to produce coach kits, but resin shrinks warps and twists while brass or nickle silver is relatively stable and the cost of producing the model would have been prohibitive.

I have used this for forming the fuel tanks and axleeboxes for the Tin Van and the castings have been to a reasonable quality.

Most of the other 3D printed parts have been replaced either with brass or whitemetal, the main area that still has to be resolved is forming the roof

I am looking at the possibility of doing the Midland K Class later GSR/CIE 650 Class 2-4-0 once I have sorted out the production of the tin vans. This should be a lot quicker to produce as most of the castings are available through SSM

These little engines lasted in service until the end of steam, even working on suburban trains to Bray and Greystones

Superheated K Class with rounded cab.

While intended for 21mm I am looking at a simple fold up chassis for OO and may be able to offer the option of a running chassis.

The main issue with these engines is the sheer number of variations, originally built in typical Attock style with "fly-away" cab, many were re-built in the 1920s like the loco in the drawing with superheating and rounded GNR style cabs.

The rounded cabs were too low and soon replaced with very plain Inchacore style cabs, later many engines received superheated belpair boilers which gave the engines an over stuffed look.

The drawing is based on an MGWR diagram from the 1920s and surprising similar in general outline to rebuilt locos in GSR days.

When I get time I will draw up some of the variations to give some idea of the general outline.

Fancy commissioning Bachmann to do a RTR version? It will always be the dream!

fran, shapeways did a laser printed an A class body in N gauge - wonder what the quality was like? got a few of the E class shunters and they were pure s***e!

The main draw back with a 3D printed model is that you would need to do quite a bit of sanding to achieve a smooth finish even with finer materials such as Shapeways Frosted Detail.

There is a similar Balloon Loop arrangement at Woodvile Junction that allows freight trains arriving at the Eastern end of the station to reverse direction

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The Flexiscale funding model appears to be remarkably similar to the FR funding model for the WHR and a lot of its capital programmes.

Pledge £1000 and receive a free fully working certified model of Princess. The FR raised about £5m in private sponsorship with gold and silver passes rather than the traditional buy a sleeper appeal.

The Festiniog and Welsh slate lines have a huge following both with enthuiasts and modellers so it might fly.

Going by my own experience with rapid prototyping I would agree with Richie and Rich either a simple brass kit or a resin body on a Bachmann 3F chassis would probably be the best bet for a rtr model of 461.

It would probably be best to model the loco in its current condition at some stage she received a GSR boiler while 462 worked with her original and larger DSER boiler to the end.

It's just the carriage to accommodate an IRRS party over the Burma Rd, 15th June 1968, as was done on several occasions by sticking a carriage onto a regular goods!

That would have been a great day out! It seems to have been common enough way of visiting goods only branches like Tullow and Banagher usually behind steam in the 50s.

You might be able to get a copy of an IE working timetable or Weekly Notices for the era either through the IRRS or some of the preservation societies.

The WTT includes all the regular working, as required paths and rostered power, the Weekly Notices probably harder to find cover ballast and special workings.

There were usually 3 Bagged Fertiliser paths to Shelton morning, mid afternoon and late evening. Specials did run the Hotels on Bray seafront were great for nocturnal gricing and anything other than sleep;)

The Wexford Line was the first to go over to Liner Train operation after Sligo with 10 & 20' containers for Sundries Traffic, loadings were poor so the wagons about 6 usually attached to a fertliser train between North Wall and Shelton.

I dont think the re-lay and mini-CTC happened until quite late, bullhead track and lattice post signals is one of the things that made the South Eastern so distinctive.

The Bowser C630 was originally produced about 10 years ago by Stewart Hobbies. I went through a Western Maryland phase in HO mainly using their locos and stock in HO which I found above average for the time in general standard of detail and quality.

Apart from the big Alcos the produced a range of Kato powered F Units, some interesting Baldwin road switchers and switchers and very nice coal hoppers.

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The rake next to the long line of BELL containers are what I am talking about.

That a great photo shows the scale of container traffic once carried by the railway.

The 62'9" wagons seem to have been mainly used on Dublin-Cork, Limerick and Galway Liner trains. The Galway Liner was a Liner Mail with the wagons marshalled behind the passenger rated stock, usually a BR Heating Van, TPO and parcel vans which were piped to run with air braked stock.

These wagons become surplus to requirements as container wagons in the early-mid 90s after a round of "rationalisation" that resulted in the ending of Mails and Sundries Traffic and the concentration of container traffic on a small number of depots.

So probably Supertrain or early IE points logo 071 or pairs of Bo Bos than 201 and electrical plug era haulage.

Glad to be of service!

 

They have republished the list today and there are now only four double-ended yankies in the list, so you're not the only one to have been taking advantage!

 

Mind you, there are some strange items to be deemed "obsolete" there - like the Heljan railbus, which I thought was only out last year.

 

No matter, as long as more Irish locos end up in Irish hands!

 

Leslie

I think discontinued might bee a better term, all the same its good to see lads picking up some good bargains.

Love it... puts the 071s in touch with their American heritage.

 

Have to say, I was never a fan of the black and silver 'freight' livery... always looked like an ill thought-out bodge to me.

Some how or other this type of dip job looks better on locos with narrow hoods like the 071s than full width car bodies like the 201s or A Class.

Overall it looks a bit like a cross between the NIR 071s and SP "Bloody Nose" scheme all thats needed is a bold and simple logo or simply a set of GSWR style whitemetal number plates:o.

I think Coillte, DFDS, IWT or Tara Mines are more interested in their trains running to schedule than the colour of the locos.

Impressive stuff all the same, JB! I doubt the Per Way dept was best pleased, though...

3 cylinder locos like the 800s, Scotts and Compounds would have been easier on the track and smoother riding, than large 2 cylinder with outside cylinders like the Woolwich and rebuilt 400 Class 4-6-0.

I read somewhere about a GWR Saint hitting 90 or 100 in the early 1900s, an order went out to enginemen to keep the speed down as someone realised that because of hammer-blow (vertical motion) the wheels would lift clear of the tracks at some stage of every revolution of the driving wheels.

This is Kerry/Bull McCabe country we're talking about here!

Funnily enough a cycleway at the Tralee end out to Fenit and Listowel would probably have greater money making potential with greater tourist numbers and than West Limerick. Mind you Listowel built a bye pass on the trackbed, while the route was safeguarded through Rathkeale.

Did Kerry County Council convert part of the trackbed between Listowel and the Limerick border into a cyclepath or footpath?

Routes like the North Kerry are a drain on CIE no operating revenue or PSO grant and the liabilities and adverse posession claims. I have a friend that worked in BR now Network Rail whoes job is trying to pawn off libility issues on bridges and structures unspecting Councils

The arrangement in the UK was much better Councils got first refusal on closed lines relieved the railway of its liabilities and either converted the lines to footpaths or leased them to Preservation Societies.

Looking good Patrick, I like the reverse curve through the station, the Dapol Booking Office is similar in general style to Rosslare Strand, Durrow and Kilmacthomas so fits in nicely with the general theme.

knowing my luck their sold be now. i'd be interested in any with line drawings or detailed photos of irish stock or locos, rather than books stuffed with pretty shots for postcards!

 

 

time period irrelevant, in fact the black n whitier the better! richie.

Diesel Dawn is a great read mainly about railcar development full of photos and line drawings to the AEC and most UTA railcars

In 1937 402 a rebuilt 400 Class 4-6-0 ran non-stop from Cork to Kingsbridge in 147 minutes and avergage speed of 67mph with the 1st American Ambassador to the Free State

I think a maximum of 87mph was recorded on the section north of Limerick Junction, it would have taken a lot of skill on the part of the driver and fireman to avoid stopping for water in a run over such a distance.

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Well, the etches arrived in the post today, so here's how they look.

 

The side strengthening detail is easy enough. Hold down the angle length with blue tack, hold teh trangles with a tweezers, apply superglue and slot in the designated holes....voila!

 

The hardest part was cutting the C034 chassi to size and making sure the solebars are correctly cut...

Great idea Des to shorten the Dapol chassis and upgrade the detailing, I did the opposite several years ago extending the barrels of the Dapol tankers to turn them into ESSO tank wagons.