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About Mayner

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    Born Dublin, lived most of my life in Dublin and the UK. One time builder, moved to New Zealand several years ago. One time WHHR Volunteer Portmadoc, track ganger, diesel loco driver and bulldozer driver, plant operator, now an Armchair


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    My family, solving problems, anything to do with railways, travel, blues, rock, jazz, stirring thing

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  1. I expect to release the grain wagons with 4 livery variations at the same time based on a minimum production run of 1500 wagons, although I have an additional 4 livery variations including Ranks in GSR dark grey & CIE in red oxide with broken wheel emblem including including up my sleeve if there is sufficient demand. 16404 GSR grey as introduced. 16404 CIE with GS grinning through & GSR running numbers. The wagon bodies were fabricated from a rust resistant steel and they wagons may only have received a single coat of paint or the GSR initials may have only been blanked out with the GS initials grinning through in photos of several wagons. The Ranks Ireland Wagons wagons were originally introduced in GSR grey, repainted bright read by CIE in the late 40s, finally re-painted in CIE wagon grey from the mid 1960s. The red wheels, and shading are just to provide some contrast with the 50 shades of grey in the CAD work! Wheels are planned to be the standard coated RP 25 wheels used by IRM and other manufacturers, solebars will be the main body colour except for the red wagons which appear to be black! The estimated price range is based on current costings for a minimum production run of 1500 of each type of wagon with the livery variations in my original posting. We will proceed with the project if there are indicators of sufficient demand including expressions of interest at this stage and sufficient commitments to purchase at pre-tooling stage. My current thinking is that the grain wagons may sell singly or in sets of two with different running numbers, open wagons in 2-3 wagon sets with different numbers especially for modelling beet, gypsum, sand and coal trains.
  2. JM Design is considering introducing a range of highly detailed ready to run traditional Irish rolling stock in conjunction with Irish Railway Models. We focusing mainly on stock introduced between the 1920s and the early 1950s that operated during the steam and through to the early "Supertrain" era. Our first planned models are the GSR/Ranks Ireland Bulk Grain wagons that were introduced in the mid 30s and remained in service until the end of wagon load grain traffic in the mid 1970s. Our second planned model is the humble Irish Standard 10T Open Wagon a design that was introduced following WW1 and was built by the GNR(I), GSR & CIE through to the introduction of the corrugated open wagons during the mid 1950s. The wooden bodied opens were used for general merchandise and bulk traffics such as coal, gypsum and sugar beet and they were even used to carry BR style B & D containers many lasted into the early 1970s. We are considering producing Ranks Ireland and CIE versions of the grain wagon. Ranks Red 1948-1963-4 Ranks Grey post 1964 CIE winged wheel CIE "Broken wheel" with GSR style running number! Graphics are based on photos of prototype wagons and drawings and information provided by Herbert Richards. Because of uncertain demand for earlier stock our pricing and planning projections are based on a minimum factory quantity for each type of wagon, its planned to produce the grain wagons as limited edition items. GSR built standard open 10567 GNR "Standard Open. The open wagon is based on drawings and information provided by Herbert Richards and a GNR(I) wagon diagram. The spec for both wagons include plastic injection moulded bodies, slimline tension lock couplers in NEM mounts, RP25 110 wheels & 21mm gauge compatible underframes. Although both wagons share a common chassis tooling the models are expected to retail within a €50-57 price range based on current costings. If there is sufficient interest to proceed with the project I expect to issue a press release in conjunction with IRM with a potential release of the grain wagons in the later part of 2021 with the opens to follow in 2022. I would appreciate your survey feedback to ascertain the potential level of demand. https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5QK5QJM
  3. Funnily enough I dream't last night that I was cleaning up after a freight train derailment on an N-Gauge layout and had diverted through traffic via Conrail to keep things moving while we cleared the line. Many of the cars shed their trucks and piled up in prototypical fashion, we seemed to get by without heavy plant, oddly the frames of the two lead locos split with Mazac Rot. I better check my collection of N Gauge locos just in case!. Interestingly there is a Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) guy in the You Tube video keeping an eye on things. The Pipelaying crawlers are pretty rare in the UK and Ireland, would have been a safer and simpler option than cranes for positioning the locos for re-railing. They have massive lift capacity and are a lot more stable than either a crawler or mobile crane, which have a tendency of tipping over if set up on unstable ground.
  4. 3D printing is a kind of chicken and egg situation Shapeways attracts a large number of amateur designers but their printing technology is not really suitable for small scale model railways. Rapid prototyping companies have more suitable technology for our purposes https://www.3dpeople.uk/sla-3d-printing but you need to either develop the skills to produce the CAD work yourself, find a friendly designer or pay for professional cad work.
  5. Funnily enough I used the Platform/Ground Level version of the Ratio on a minimal space MGWR branch line terminus many years ago. If you feel reasonably confident about building complex point work, it might be worth while considering a double slip in the crossover from the running line to the run round loop and goods yard, the Midland used this arrangement at both Edenderry and Kingscourt. It might be feasible to fit a mirror image of Edenderry into the area "behind the houses" between the R358 from Ballinasloe & the N63 to Ballygar & Mount Talbot. Edenderry had the advantage of having the cattle bank and goods shed on one side of the station/baseboard. I mounted a flying survey of the area while trying to track down the location of the ancestral farm of my Grandmother in 2018.
  6. I think one of the last workings on the branch may have been a beet special, which picked up laden wagons at Dunsandle while running from Attymon Junction to Loughrea before returning to the junction with the laden wagons, the goods loop at Dunsandle had been converted to a stub ended siding a few years earlier. There is an account of the final workings on the Ardee, Loughrea & Newcastle West branches in the Feb & June 1976 IRRS Journals Apparently Attymon was quite crowded when the beet special arrived at the Junction, with Up & Down main line passenger trains crossing at the Station and a laden Dundalk/Navan-Tuam beet special recessed in the laybye at the eastern end of the station. I think the Loughrea beet special may have been worked by the branch loco, and laden beet wagons from Dunsandle & Loughrea attached to the special from the GN line. Beet specials continued to run from Dundalk and Navan until the Tuam factory closed in the early 80s, I was stopped at Carpenters town level crossing by a long empty beet train in the Autumn of 84?, the cabin closed at Attymon and Westrail stock transferred to Tuam in the Mid 1980s. At one stage in the early 1970s mixed train working was withdrawn on the branch and double headed G Class used to haul a goods train. One of the locos possibly G613 in the black and tan paint scheme was used as branch line passenger loco, the second loco possibly G611 in black paint scheme waited in the goods shed between turns. The pair apparently used to double head a goods to the junction and return in the interval between the late morning and early afternoon passenger trains.
  7. Glendalough Road looks like a fair sized village! I would be inclined to leave out most/some of the buildings on the viewing side of the layout, otherwise it will be difficult to see the Tram! The Mother in Law who is not very tall was disappointed with my narrow gauge layout because she is unable to see the train when it disappears from view in a cutting as it makes its way along the line. Like Galteemore I am a fan of curved backscenes. Engine shed acts as view blocker between station area and cutting section. I didn't have enough space for a building in front of mouse hole where train is supposed to run through backscene, perhaps some day.
  8. Check out some of DeSelbys builds on RM Web https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/profile/3024-de-selby/content/page/2/&type=forums_topic_post Alan has a liking for little and large GN & NCC engines there is content on a GNR S,Vs, U and am NCC Mogul & a Whippet
  9. I would be very wary about using a metal frame if you use a chain saw to cut firewood.
  10. I like your sketches and general approach to modelling buildings, the Wills white washed stonework and wooden lintol really catches the unique character of these buildings. I am a great fan of Wills scenic sheets for modelling traditional Irish buildings Trends in architecture is a bit like generational change in music and fashion, each new generation of architects tend to rebel against the established styles of architecture by developing new concepts, although it sometimes ends up in building failure. Builders, structural and civil engineers then try to convert these concepts into reality not always successfully.
  11. Mayner

    Brake vans

    Some GSWR 12T brake van continued in service mainly on branch line duties into the 1970s, the older dark grey and GS(GSWR) lettering bled through on some wagons as the CIE grey weathered away. The majority of Midland goods brakes were of the drovers caboose type with raised cupola up to the introduction of more modern 20T brakes in the early 1920s. The 1874 type (complete with wooden brake blocks) appears to have remained in service up to the late 1930s, there is also an 1890 type similar in general styling to the horsebox and fish/meat van with the framing hidden by exterior planking and cover slips I am not aware of a drawing of photo of this type in the public domain. There was a later 1912 6w 20T type with the drovers compartment sandwitched between a guards compartment at each end. I don't know too much about Dublin & Meath rolling stock, its possible some of the locos and stock were sold to the Ennis & Athenry when the Midland took over working of the Meath Line, or Richard may simply have liked the look of the van. A Cork Macroom Direct Railway wagon operated on Castlerackrent although that railway operated in splendid isolation from the Irish railway network for most of its existence. The availability of original builders drawings from UK museums and libraries seems to have influenced Richard Chown's decision to model the WLWR rather than the Midland, despite a lot of prompting from Padraic O'Cuimin. The Ennis and Athenry was a bit like a more successful Bishops Castle Railway, forced to work its own line with second hand equipment after negotiations with the Midland fell through, then taking on the operation of the Athenry and Tuam line ultimately to be rescued by the Waterford & Limerick with Great Western support.
  12. The Belgian hopper wagons were bought mainly for use on North Wall-Broadstone loco coal trains, although 2 were allocated to the p.w the p.w. dept the MGWR already had a hopper ballast train and plough brakes dating from the easrly 1900 similar to the GSWR & GNR. The MGWR re-organised its p.w. department to work with the new Bretland re-laying train in the 1920s and sold 15 ballast hoppers and two plough vans to the DSER before the amalgamation. There is a 1939 Charles S Bayer photo of 591 approaching Liffey Junction from North Wall train of 8 laden coal hoppers and a goods brake van in the IRRS London Area publication Irish Railways in Pictures no2. "The Midland Great Western line" , 591 was recorded as making "very labored progress" with the heavy train on a steeply graded section of line. CIE appears to have used a motley collection of open and ex GSWR hoppers on Broadstone loco coal trains during the 1950s. http://catalogue.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=broadstone&type=AllFields&submit=FIND
  13. I wound not blame the GSWR influence entirely for the end of polished brasswork and removal of brass name and number plates while an ex GSWR man was in charge of Inchacore, the GSR Board and senior management was largely dominated by ex-MGWR men, including the Chairman, General Manager and Chief Financial Officer. Apparently there was a GSR committee during the 1920s tasked with achieving savings by hunting down name and number plates for re-cycling as bearing brushes and other parts in the brass foundry. David it would be simple enough to backdate the Tyrconnell J26 into an E by replacing the funnel and smokebox door and wrapper. The MGWR re-built the E Class with new boilers, conventional smokebox doors and shorter cast iron funnels from 1911 onward's, the majority of 554 or J26 class retained their flush MGWR style smokeboxes and cast iron funnels until replaced with Inchacore style built up chimneys and pop riveted smokeboxes during the 1940s. The seem to have continued in use on short feeder branch lines such as Athboy and Killeshandra at least until the late 30s or possibly the ending of regular traffic on these lines.
  14. I am finally getting around to the mechanical assembly of 52 Class No1. The supply of small Mashima motors appears to be drying up so No 1 is being fitted by a small coreless motor supplied by Chris Gibbons of High Level Kits, the loco will have my usual arrangement of a High Level Road Runner+gearbox should she get to strut her stuff on the main line. I decided to fit conventional wiper pick ups to the loco rather than my usual arrangement of "American" style pick up through the loco and tender frames with the wheels shorted out on one side. The Alan Gibson loco driving wheels are quite spindly and I didn't want to risk a wheel running off true as a result of fitting fine brass wire between the wheel hub and axle. Chassis with driving and bogie wheel sets set up for final assembly & coupling rods ready to be opened up with a broach to fit the crankpin bushes. The cylindrical object on the left is a 21mm gauge back to back gauge bought from TMD the predecessor of Studio Scale Models many years ago. The loco mainframes in the background are for a 551 Class (Midland E) 0-6-0T , I assembled and painted the chassis about 4 years ago, but has been dismantled for painting in GSR Grey, the chassis was originally painted in Railmatch Weathered Black my original match for GSR grey, but does not match the grey matched from a sample of GSR paint. I decided to fit a mounting plate for the power pick ups using a pieces of scrap nickle silver mounted between the frames above the ash pan, with 10BA bolts for securing the actual pick up plate. I tapped two holes in the plate 10BA with a tap mounted in a pin chuck. Bolts screwed into the plate then soldered in position before fitting to chassis. Pick up mounting plate soldered to frames with solder fillet Underside of frames showing fixing bolts for pick up plates, these will be trimmed to length when the pick up are fitted. I originally assembled the loco with a compensated chassis with a fixed rear and rocking leading axle, unfortunately the hornblocks and axles were slightly out of square. I un-soldered the hornblocks on one side and re-aligning the hornblocks using an assembly jig and coupling rods to ensure that the chassis does not bind. Something from the Dark Ages Possibly my last scratch built loco 567 dating from the late 1980s, the body is in plasticard on milled brass main frames. 567 formerly Ln Class Duke seems to have been the prototype for rebuilding the Midland Standard Goods, but although considered a success no further members of her class were re-built and the loco was withdrawn as non-standard following the Milne Report in the 1940s. Like the prototype my model of 567 included parts from an older locomotive in this case the mainframes, wheels and motor intended for a Dundalk Newry & Greenore 0-6-0ST, I originally planned to build a DNGR tank using the body from a GEM Crew Special Tank and a set of Alan Gibson milled main frames. I abandoned building the DNGR tank as it would have been easier to scratchbuild the loco than re-build the GEM kit as a 21mm gauge Irish loco. I assembled 567 in plasticard as I was living in a shared falt at the time that was not exactly conductive to kitchen table metal working. To a degree the chassis was almost "state of the art" by the standards of the time with beam compensation, Magib wheels and an Anchorage DS10 motor with a cast brass gear cradle, unfortunately she did not run very well a combination of the limitations of the materials and my assembly, though she looked reasonably like an Midland engine of the Post WW1 era. Visually the biggest drawback was the need to cut a chunk out of the boiler and ramp the cab floor to fit the motor and gears Despite loosing some bits and pieces 567 has stood up remarkably well with little evidence of parts warping or twisting or joints failing. In particular the laminated running boards with their 3 ply construction have held up very well with little warping or distortion. The question at this stage is whether to leave her in a display cabinet and build a new loco from scratch or renew the loco in classical Midland fashion like by renewing the loco in motoring parlance by jacking up the number plates and incorporating all the re-usable components into a new locomotive just like the real Duke or 567.
  15. Some of the ex GSWR 333 & GSR 342 Class small wheeled 4-4-0s were built with outside framed bogies as a result of a problem with overheated bogie axle bearings on the 1st batch of the 333 Class as originally built in 1907. The overheating problem on the original locos was solved by changing the bearing oil, despite which the 342s were built with outside framed bogies! The 333 Class were originally built to work the heavy Rosslare-Cork Boat Trains in the early 1900s, they were powerful go-almost anywhere engines the GSR built another 6 in the mid 1930s and took over Dublin-Wexford-Rosslare passenger services when the Woolwich moguls bumped the 4-4-0s from the Cork-Rosslare Boat Trains. The calss seems to have been a favourite for excursions trains, GAA specials and Mystery Trains.
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