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Born Dublin, lived most of my life in Dublin and the UK. One time builder, moved to New Zealand several years ago. One time WHHR Volunteer Portmadoc, track ganger, diesel loco driver and bulldozer driver, plant operator, now an Armchair
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Remember a heated discussion with my cousins (all of us teenagers) on a summer holiday trip to Bray (late 60s) who were convinced that the carriages were dark blue and amber, though at least we managed to agree on the amber.
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Interesting double junction complete with diamond crossing at the West Junction although what was possibly the down line from the South Junction now a siding with the main line protected by a catch point. There are a couple of photos of arriving and departing trains at the North Junction the 'avoiding line' apparently double track connects to the loop by a pair of plain turnouts but a trap/catch point on one leg of the avoiding line protecting the main line. Interesting subject for a layout substantial 'tail traffic" in most photos of passenger trains NCP stock, Bread Containers and even strings of cattle wagons and interchange of tail traffic between the Bundoran Branch and trains to and from Omagh (traffic to/from the Derry-Belfast direction. Apparently bagged cement traffic from Drogheda to Sligo was sometimes routed over the Derry Road through Omagh to the SLNCR connection at Enniskillen rather than via the Irish North through Clones.
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Wagon Stock of the MGWR, P O'Cuimin, IRRS Journal Feb 1970 includes detailed information standard details for MGWR wagon stock including brake and running gear. Brake gear: 1872-about 1885: Single wooden block operating on one wheel applied by a single lever. 1885------Two cast iron blocks operating on one pair of wheels, still applied by a single lever on one side. Photos indicate that some covered wagons appear to have retained this type of gear into the 1960s! A J I C Boyd 1962 photo of 2592m an 1895 built 'convertible" in P O'Cuimin's paper appears to retain this type of gear. An undated photo of 1906 built convertible 937 in Ernie Shepherds Midland Great Western Railway of Ireland appears to have retained this gear apperently with the brake shoe on the opposite side to the lever removed. The brake shaft and ironwork that supports the shaft is visible in the photo of 937. There is an LGRP photo of 2691 an 1899 built coal wagon in the IRRS paper showing the 2 block arrangement from the lever side. 1906-----Board of Trade regulation prescribing either side brakes to be fitted to all new stock and existing wagons to be converted within 10 years from 1907 later extended to 15. The standard MGWR handbrake lever holding bracket incorporated a casting with toothed ratchet to secure the lever unlike the chain and pin arrangement used by most companies.
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I think at one stage the Board of Trade imposed a requirement to form junctions between two single lines as a double junction, with 3 turnouts (points) and a diamond crossing rather than a single turnout. There was a similar arrangement at Morebath Junction (between the GWR Branstaple Branch and Exe Valley line) in Devon though no station at the actual junction, signal diagram appeared in the Railway Modeller during early 1970s. Apparently the Junction between the Bundoran Branch and 'main line" was originally laid out as a double junction and simplified at some stage before the 1954 photo, there is a photo of a train with a similar consist possibly hauled by a J Class approaching the junction during the inter War era in HC Casserley's Irish Railways in the Heyday of Steam & speculation in a review in 5'3" that the origonal junction was still in place! Photos in "Railways in Ulster's Lakeland" Colourpoint, Anthony Burges 2005 indicate that the junction was simplified before closure to a single facing turnout for trains travelling towards Omagh/Bundoran, the diamond crossing and connection to the loop removed. There are some interesting photos and commentary on life at Bundoran Junction before the closure of the "Irish North". Interestingly there only appears to have been a single Bundoran Branch platform although the avoiding line between the North and West Junctions which allowed trains from the Omagh direction to run onto the branch without reversing appeared to be double track. Hopefully Ernie will dig out some photos showing the North and West Junctions one of Ireland's rare triangular junctions.
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Drylube PF film: I spray the resin side/inside face of the PF film before filling the resin vat on Murray ECMs recommendation. It help the model separate from the film as the build plate rises after each layer is printed and reduces the risk of a fragment of the newly printed layer remaining stuck to the layer and breaking off the model as the plate rises. Chassis/running gear options: My suppliers (NZ & China) successfully printed (approx 300) wagon underframes using resins with ABS properties in full size 'Bottom Up' printers, but I have struggled to achieve satisfactory results using "flexible" resins in an Anycubic desktop printer. Main problem is that that the majority of proprietary resins have insufficient resilience/flex to "get the wheels in' and brake gear/fine detail break during normal usage. Last year I achieved acceptable results printing detail parts using a Monocure (Australia) "Impact" resin mixed with a "Flex" admixture. I have a Kg of their "Tensile" "Industrial Strength' resin to trial on a rollingstock/running gear project if I get the time. I don't know whether the major resin suppliers have custommix options or supply additives. W/irons/brass fold up underframe. Brass w irons or a fold up chassis in combination with 3D printed springs and axleboxes may be a better option than 3D printed running gear particularly in 21mm gauge. Several years ago I produced an 8'6" wb fold up underframe for assembling a batch of Leslie's GN cattle wagons to 21mm gauge, but have not yet got round to actually assembling the wagons.
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Personally I think those wagon prints came out very well, you really captured the distinctive MGW ironwork especially hinges and door catches. Quality, pricing & service consistent with the wagons I had printed for several years by a supplier in China. I would not recommend printing models flat off the build plate without taking precautions to protect the printer LCD screen from resin spillage if the bottom of the resin vat ruptures. I found out the hard way that printing flat off the plate/vertically increases the risk of rupturing/puncturing the film that forms the bottom of the vat resulting in cured resin forming on the printers LCD screen. Main lessons learned have been (a) Fit an LCD screen with protective film. https://store.anycubic.com/products/screen-protector and (b) Coat the PF film that forms the bottom of the resin vat with a PTFE based dry lube spray as recommended by Eoin ECM. For rolling stock/detail parts I use a resin with abs/resilient properties to reduce brittleness compared to standard resins, recently been experimenting with (a cheap) water washable resin for buildings and structures, nice to work with but cured resin brittle even when compared to 'standard' resins.
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More workshop than layout topic today. Successfully printed the facades of some of the low relief background buildings first planned approx 14 years ago. Terrace of 3-4 houses . The windows/doorway originally etched in 2012, the intention to use Wills Flemish Bond material sheets in combination with etched window/doorways and lintols. The Dublin Port layout reserrected in a different in OO about 10 years later with some of the buildings in 3D printed form. Windows/doorway placed temporarily in the openings to check fit before carrying out final (hopefully) adjustments to the 3D model & print set up. While brick coarsing, opening, cill, lintol and parapet lines came out well some 'interesting' distortion along the party wall between adjacent buildings & de-lamination between layers in one corner (joy of resin printing) Some tweaks to the model (digital reinforcing) to reduce distrotion and delamination resulted in some improvement to the building on the right! The pitched roofs & chimneys on this terrace are hidden behind a low parapet when viewed from street level! Next challenge will be painting and weathering the brickwork.
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There are a number of businesses in the UK that will produce one off or small production runs; MOL_PMB E401 & GSWR Bogie Coach are excellent examples. The etcher has a one off fee for setting up a photo tool & a charge per sheet of metal. Basically a case of finding a designer capable of preparing the artwork/CAD for the planned model or developing the CAD skills yourself https://ppdltd.com/artwork-guide.html. I basically followed the artwork guide on the PPD site https://ppdltd.com/artwork-guide.html using a cheap CAD package and a lot of trial and error. At the end of the day it takes me a similar amount of time to prepare the artwork for an etched model as it would take me to transfer/mark out a design from a drawing to a set of components on a sheet of metal or plasticard, the big advantage is that a set of etched parts largely avoids the tedious cutting out & finishing process. From memory one off tooling cost for an A4 sheet of metal worked out round £25-30, etched sheet of 0.4 brass £15 approx. Personally I think sheet metal is superior to an injected molded plastic (or 3D printed) for a model of a flush side coach. These day I mainly assemble etched/3D printed models to my own design, my hands are not as steady as they once were and generally faster than scratchbuilding for multiple items. Though scratchbuilding in plasticard should not be dismissed for one off or unusual items (David Jenkinsons "Carriage Modelling Made Easy" is an inspiration, better than waiting in anticipation of someone releasing a RTR model. "Back in the day" 30 or so years ago I scratchbuilt a MGWR goods brake and a pair of IRCH "Standard Open" wagons using plasticard, applying individual rivets to the brake and cast detail parts to the wagons, it took me about a year & opens still havent fitted brake gear to the opens. More recently I produced a batch of one piece C&L open wagon bodies cast in resin in a rubber mould using a master formed using etched brass parts. David (the Colonel) recently described casting covered wagon/van bodies in resin from plasticard masters.
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There is a paragraph on Loughrea/G Class rostering in the Irish Railway News of the Feb 1975 edition of the IRRS Journal. "By September G613 & G616 which were in Limerick Junction were brought gradually to the Loughrea branch. G613 was refurbished and the two locos stored in Loughrea prior to commencing service in mid-December. G613 appears to work the branch passenger train oof 1904 only" Now the really interesting bit: "In the interval between the arrival of the 12:00 ex Attymon (with driver) and the 15:35 departure, G616 is brought out of the goods store and aided by G613 prepares its goods train for Attymon" G613 and G616 were in Thurles for the 1973/4, but this year G617 is there overhaauled and repainted in the black-and-tan livery. One Journal (don't remember year) commented that the CSE locos had been more reliable than the CIE G Class!
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Thought I would save time 15-20 years ago by using MTK/No Nonsence AEC railcar bogie sideframes in combination with Black Beetle bogies while building an AEC railcar set using Worsley Works parts. I ordered powered & unpowered 21mm gauge Black Beetle bogies with the correct 10' wb, turned out the MTK/ No Nonsence AEC railcar sideframes scaled out at 9'6". Still haven't probably never get round to correcting the bogie sideframes.
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The Foynes mixed is an interesting one. There was an article about a journey behind a J15 on the mixed in one of the British (steam era) railway magazines, the writer a visiting enthusiast appears to have been the sole passenger boarding at Limerick. It appears that the Mixed may have usually departed the goods yard unless passengers were travelling, our passenger was escorted by a member of staff to the end of a platform and instructed to wait while the staff member walked up the yard to fetch the loco & coach! Loco and coach arrived at platform end to pick up our passenger, then propelled/reversed back towards the Check Cabin coupling onto its train, propelling the whole train back until it was clear of the junction with the Foynes/North Kerry line before departing for Foynes rather than using the "Direct Curve' that allowed trains to run between the passenger station and the North Kerry without reversal. Must have been seeing things when I looked at several photos of a G611 on the Foynes Mixed (1962) in Rails through North Kerry it was G611 not 612! and it seems G611 had a re-paint (maybe partial) at some stage between 1962 & 67 loosing the tan element of her livery. 6w Brake Comp 36m the regular branch coach during the 1950s, a 4 Compt Atock 6w coach (possibly comp or 1st) appears in the 1962 photos of G611 on the mixed at Foynes and Askeaton. Without guards/brake compt were parcels/mails conveyed in a passenger compartment. Interestingly in the Askeaton photo the train was made up of G611, ex-Midland 6w coach, ex-GN bagged cement wagon, CIE KN (long) cattle wagon & ex-GN 20T goods brake. Bulleid open coupled behind the coach in the photo departing? mixed at Foynes. Solid rakes of Bullied opens behind and in the loop alongside (sheeted) the mixed at Foynes a fertiliser factory was a major source of traffic at Foynes before NET Shelton Abbey came on line during the mid 1960s
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A G611 was used for a short time on the Limerick-Foynes mixed train before the service was withdrawn in April 1963, though the last train was hauled by a B101 Class 'Birmingham Sulzer. There are a number of September 1962 photos of G612 on the mixed in "Rails Through North Kerry" JHB, Barry Carse Colourpoint. The passenger accomodation on G612s train appears to be an ex-MGWR 6w 4 Compt 1st, there are photos of 36m a 6W Brake Comp (former Slip Coach) on the mided during the 50s. G612 was introduced on the Loughrea Branch in February 1963 with Laminate Brake Second 1910 of 1959 converted to composite and fitted with storage heaters as the regular branch coach. Interestingly 1910 continued to run in late 50s green livery following its introduction on the branch while G613At one stage (1974?) Mixed train working was abolished on the Loughrea Branch replaced by separate passenger good/freight workings. Two G Class were allocated to the Branch with G613 working pasenger trains and G613 double heading and early afternoon goods with G611 to Attymon and back! Final trains on the Loughrea branch were worked by B201 Class, apparently because of the poor state of the track. Interestingly there seem to have been G611 Class goods and passenger liveries. G612 & 613 ran in the 1960s black and tan livery, while the G611 and possibly G617 ran in a simplified mainly black and white scheme.
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Wagon kits for 1960s and 1970s
Mayner replied to west_clare_wanderer's question in Questions & Answers
In certain respects its almost an ideal time to for building a mid 50-early 2000s era Irish outline layout with the sheer amount of quality RTR locos & stock released since the mid 2000s. The majority of wagon stock (with a few exceptions) introduced since the mid 50s is available in RTR form and CKPrints help fill some of the gaps in post 70 stock/containers (Pallet Cement, Fuel Oil bodies, UniLoad, Coal & Oil Containers. The "Standard Irish" wooden bodied wagon and earlier versions of the H Van had largely gone by the early 70s. Maindraw back with using a British prototype is that Irish and Britsh wagons were quite different in appearance (mainly brake gear & body detail) so challenging even to convert a British outline kit, though tank wagons built to a common standard. A lot depends on what you are trying to achieve as a modeller; whether your interesting in modelling/operating a railway or more interested in modelling individual locos and pieces of rolling stock. Applying the 2' rule, some British outline opens in weathered CIE livery (allover grey) less likely to stand out like a sore thumb and blend in as part of the train/model. -
Interesting; I distinctly recall Pete McParlin telling me that he had only sold 1 CVR 0-4-2T during a conversation almost 30 years ago. During our conversation Pete spoke about poor demand for his Irish 00n3 kits and used the CVR loco to reinforce his point. At the time I was a regular customer and had no reason to doubt Pete's word. Good that Backwoods Miniatures has sold at least four of the CVR loco kits (still currently listed on the website). A CVR 0-4-2T has been on my to-do list for several years, have to decide whether to scratchbuild the loco, prepare a set of etched parts or trial the 3D printed route. I assembled a pair of CVR Coaches and a Horsebox from Branchlines kits about 35 years ago & need a suitable loco.
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Wagon kits for 1960s and 1970s
Mayner replied to west_clare_wanderer's question in Questions & Answers
1980s-90s was probabably the heyday for Irish outline wagon kits with Model Irish Railways (MIR) of Portadown producing 60s-70s era wagon and diesel loco kits until the late 2000s. 1. Model Irish Railways (MIR) Ian McNally. Initially whitemetal later resin kits: CIE 121,141,071 diesel available complete with wheels gears & motor. A Class/001 body possibly ex-MTK. NIR Hunslet 1 piece resin body. 80Class etched overlays/whitemetal ends to fit Lima MK2 body shells. Wagons. CIE Cement Bubble: Pallet Cement: 20T-14' wb 4w Container Flat+ 20' container: 42' Bogie Flat + 40' container: Bogie Fertiliser Wagon: Bogie Cement Wagon: Bogie Ammonia Tank Wagon. Wagons originally had whitemetal chassis (reasonable quality & standard of detail) replaced with one piece resin chassis after 2000. Cement bubble vacuum formed plastic body, containers plastic injection moulded kit, Bogie Cement & Ammonia one piece resin bodies. Sylvimcnall-O continues to sell MIR decals and spare parts on E bay https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?item=117226927670&rt=nc&_trksid=p4429486.m3561.l161211&_ssn=sylvimcnall-0 2. Studio Scale Models. Post 1960 Etched kit CIE 30T Brake Van. Etched body glue or solder assembly on Dapol Prestwin chassis. 42' Container Flat, Ammonia Tank Wagon (brass kit)Pre-1960 Etched kit GN 20T Brake Van (relatively complex kit). Cast metal kits. GSWR & MGWR "Convertible" Wagons (gone by late 1950s, Irish "Standard" Open Wagon GSWR/Midland/GSR/CIE some lasted to late 60s/early 70s. 3. Jeremy Suters Irish Kits. High quality whitemetal kits introduced late 90s/early 2000s. Likely to be rare sold at UK exhibitions and advertised on New Irish Lines. Pre-1960 mainly Ulster subjects: GNR(I) Standard Covered Van: GNR(I) Bread Container Wagon & Container (both duplicated by Provincial Wagons/Leslie) NCC version of Bread Container Wagon, UTA Parcels Van converted from GNR Bread Van (possible Provincial duplicate: MGWR Loco Coal Wagon gone by late 50s? Post 2010 Fallen Flag suppliers. Model Irish Scale Rail (Martin McKay) planned to introduce an extensive range of RTR CIE wagons using resin body on Dapol chassis. Despite favourable reviews of a Bulleid Open & H Van in the May 2013 edition P173-4 of New Irish Lines https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ad8q0xs64ed1b9be0ktwe/New-Irish-Lines-Vol.-6-No.-5-2013-May.pdf?rlkey=ev4qbxmrymaqeqczbofgnsdh5&e=1&dl=0 the business does not appear to have been a success. Irish Freight Models initially produced wagons with resin or 3D printed on Bachmann? rtr chassis later shifting to producing resin bodies rtr coaches and coach kits. JM Design. I produced etched kits/detail parts since 2010, produced 3D printed wagons mainly RTR between 2021-24 with very little interest in/ demand for kits. Most wagons produced would have operated to mid-1970s Details on wagon produced I guess MIR/SSM/Jeremy Suter/MISR/IFM/JMD wagon kits will eventually appear on-line auctions, exhibitions and executors scales.
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