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Born Dublin, lived most of my life in Dublin and the UK. One time builder, moved to New Zealand several years ago. One time WHHR Volunteer Portmadoc, track ganger, diesel loco driver and bulldozer driver, plant operator, now an Armchair
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Mayner replied to Dawn Quest's topic in News
Although I once had delusions of becoming a 'lifestyle guru'/influencer/cult leader about 20 or so years ago, there was more than enough competition and real world kept me earthed . These days I tend to avoid influencers and social media apart from this Board and RM Web a lot is just an echo chamber for Crap with so social media friends and some relatives simply parroting the crap they receive on social media feeds. I guess in the end I got to find things out for myself and make up my own mind, rather than be said and lead as my father sometimes said. Going back to N scale, I started collecting American outline N scale nearly 40 years ago because of the superior quality compared to British Outline N or even OO, with American 'manufacturers' like Atas first comissioning locos and stock from Roco, before moving on to Japan in the Mid 80s and China during the 90s. In certain respects the Japanese manufactured Atlas and Kato locos of the 90s are superior in terms of reliability and durability to the rather fragile Chinese manufactured models of more recent years. For me I still see N as the ideal scale for building a model railway capable of running long trains of mainly rtr stock in a realistic environment in a reasonable space and 4mm and larger more suitable for model making (incl scratch and kit building). -
I suspect that the Sentinel and Clayton railmotors were originally introduced in the GSR purple lake livery when introduced in 1927-28. There is a 1929 HC Casserley photo in Locomotives of Clayton No 360 at Mullingar Shed with fully lined out large class numerals on the doors & 2 GSR crests on the side. Colm Creedon's photo of 357 on the Newmarket Branch (closed to passenger traffic early 1930s scheduled goods traffic 1947?) from Westcorkrailways post apperes to be in as introduced condition with lining & 1 crest! Photos of Sentinel 356 at inchacore (running shed and concrete coal tower in background appear to be unlined possibly Mid 1930s GSR Maroon livery with 2 crests! Personally the main issue in using the Heljan LNER Sentinel to represent a GSR Sentinel is that it just doesn't have the low-slung appearance of the Irish Sentinel railmotors with the underframe largely hidden and buffer beam part way up the body. A bit like a Hymek or a Class 33 in CIE livery masquerading as an Irish loco
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There is some useful information of the Sentinel and Clayton railmotors in Locomotives of the GSR. Although Sentinel railcars appear to have worked passenger services on the Cashel, Newmarket and Foynes branches a Sentinel also appears to have been used between Limerick, Nenagh and Ballybrophy. I remember reading somewhere possibly IRRS Journal that Sentinel railcars were used on the Newmarket & Foynes branches because the branch good were worked by Mallow and Limerick based locos running through to the branch terminus (in UK terms a "Trip Working" or Turn) as opposed to a branch lijne loco based at Newmarket or Foynes. Its possible the Cashel 'goods" may have been worked by a Limerick Junction or Thurles loco. In its final days of operation the Edenderry Branch goods and occasionaal trips over the Meath Line to Drumree,-Kilmessan were worked by the Liffey Junction G611 Class pilot. GSR Locomotives includes information on some unusual Sentinel or Clayton working on the Midland including: A 1928-- 11:10 all stations Mullingar-Sligo railcar which ran attached to the rear of the Cavan train as far as Inny Junction and 11:30 return from Sligo! Day returnes from Mullingar to Athlone & Athenry 1930 records 354,355 & 357 at work in the Western District, 356 in the Southern District. Claytons 359,361 and 362 initially tried on Westland Row-Dalkey and Harcourt St-Foxrock suburban services. Also tried Mullingar-Sligo, Cork-Macroom and Cork-Clonakilty 'but only for relatively short periods at each location as they proved markedly less successful than the Sentinel version" 1930 -358,359 and 361 Midland District, 363 in Southern District. Problems identified tendency to run short of steam (could not cope with greades on Foxrock services and having to stop for a "blow up" and considerable periods out of service under repair. Clayton went into liquidation 1929 resulting in problems obtaining spare parts. So potentially Sentinel and Clayton steam railmotors in 'GSR Purple Lake" livery working branch line passenger trains, short distance suburban and main-line feeder services.
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Mayner replied to Mayner's topic in US / Canadian Railway Modelling
Little activity on the garden railway in recent weeks except a special on 11th April to collect fallen feijoa's before Cyclone Vaianu struck on 12th and this afternoon when I ran some trains while mowing the lawn/leaf clearing after the past couple of weeks. LGB DRGW diesel #50 did the honours on 11th successfully7 hauling 4 gondola's of feijoas that had fallen by the line and then returning the cars to storage. We had become overwhelmed with nearly ripe feijoas buckets and baskets all full! Like many LGB narrow gauge locos #50 is to a scale of approx 1:22.5 underscale for American 3' gauge and noticeably smaller that the Accucraft model, but a useful switcher/shunter. Weather began to improve/settle during the last couple of days though temperatures notoiceably cooler although Winter officially begins at the end of May, spent most of yesterday mowing/collecting leaves from the front garden, with the back garden today. Maintaining the classical Kiwi ¼ acre section sure become a chore as you get older. I decided to give the T&D inspection car a run though the pair of new "Energiser" AAA batteries did not last very long! Must replace with re-chargables Motor #6 and #464 ran nicely though. Tried to make the best of late low afternoon Sun though its now dark by 6pm daylight saving ended at the beginning of April! #464 and her train has already turned on the wye/turning triangle (Kiwi terminology), #463 is en-route for turning. I am hoping/planning to convert this section to a long RGS style timber trestle during the next year modelling the trestle bents using trellis timber and plant ground cover in this area. -
Seem to recall I seem to recall reading somewhere that individual employees were expected to queue & step up to the pay hatch from one side of the balcony and step down/walk away from the other. My mother whoes father was a GSR driver, recalled bringing her fathers 'paycheck' (metal disc with employee no) to the Broadstone pay office to collect his wages as a child during the early 1930s. Presumabably GSWR employees had similar metal paychecks.
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Overcrowding and dampy musty coaches seems to have been part of the course in GSR days also. Interestingly Railway Magazine features on Irish railways during the early 1930s include reports of passengers experiencing overcrowding and being forced to use damp coaches on the Dublin Galway (& West Ireland) Day mail during the holiday peak. Apparently the train was strengthened with coaches which had been stored on a carriage siding with their windows open and upolstory and floors had become waterlogged. Following passenger complaints a gang of porters were dispatched with mops & brooms to 'sweep out' the water on the coach floors.
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Several months ago I started to assemble a 1804gal (GSWR Type A) tender to run with 191, but had not actually got round to assembling the chassis. I wanted the tender body for a comparison photo between 191 & 229 and it was a lot simpler to assemble the tender body that the chassis! Although I bought the 2 J15 loco and tender kits almost 20 years ago I prioritised work on the locos. one of the tenders was 'borrowed" for use with my prototype 52 Class kit and later replaced with a larger 2730 gal Type B tender to run with 229 so time to assemble the remaining J15 tender, there also should be a spare 1804gal tender supplied by SSM in connection with my production batch of 52 Class kits, life gets complicated. I decided to assemble 191s (1804 gal Type A) tender chassis at this stage, because I needed to assemble the basic chassis before I complete the tender bodywork. I found it necessary to re-locate the fixing bolt/nut at the rear of the tender because the fixing is obstructed by the rear axle. Comparing 191 (assembled 1994?) & 124 completed 2021. 191 tender has beam suspension on the leading axles while 124 tender the leadding axles appear to be lightly sprung with pb wire. Interestingly 124s tender appears to have retained its original brass frame spacers, with 191 L shaped spacers formed from brass. 191 retains its origonal (very fragile) etched brake gear (scrap brass improvised stretcher) 124 my own replacement etched brake n/s gear. Anyway time to dig out my 40-50 year old piercing saw to cut out the hornblock cut outs, have High Level hornblocks in stock. Consider the option of beam compensation or a weighted tender apparrently used with 124. Clamped the frames individually for cutting as cut lines already etched on sheet, so potentially more accurate than swetting pair of frames together before cutting. Cuts appear reasonably neat, remaining tags snapped off cleanly. I use a small sheet of ply and stripwood for assembling loco chassis, first soldering spacers at diagonally opposite ends of frame to minise distrotion/expansion from heat build up. DIY clamp knocked up from a piece of brass and a wood screw. L shaped spacers are my own and have been used before thus excess solder/mess. Two parts of frame waiting to be joined together. Front/loco end of frame at left. Frame final soldered assembly, everything nicely flat & square Re-positioned body securing bolt, original in line with rear axle through frame spacer, hard to believe that the kit was designed over 40 years ago! I used the chassis as a guide for locating the new rear fixing point after locking the front spacer in place with a 10BA nut! I have since repositioned/squared up the centre frame spacer I need to check my flux mix, the level of staining/discolourisation is unusual. I use an phosphoric acid based rust treatment available over the counter diluted with ionised water. Both tender bodies substantially complete apart from cast/3D printed detail but need a good clean up.
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Ironically solid rakes of (refurbished) PR coaches only became common on suburban/secondary main line duties following the withdrawl of the Laminates during the e late 80s. From the 70s onwards Suburban, secondary and branch line trains tended to be made up of mixed rakes of conventional coaches rather than one particular coach type. PR suburban coaches & Laminates were sometimes used to strengthen rakes of Craven stock on Intercity services. I travelled in a PR suburban (only available seat) from Heuston-Westport on a train otherwise made up of Craven stock on my first long distance train journey in Aug 76, 3-4 years later a group of us travelled on a Laminate coupled to the rear of a Craven st while travelling from Pearse to Rosslare (more comfortable than a Craven) A late 70s Dublin outer Suburban service might include a mix of Inchacore built CIE timber bodies coaches (1951-4,1962-3), PR and Laminate Stock with bogie BSGV (converted from older stock. Timber bodied stock withdrawn 1983-4 (commissioning of DART & introduction of first MK3 freeing up to PR & Craven stock for use on suburban/secondary main line services. Interestingly rakes of Craven stock (with BR van) appear to have been regularly diagramed to Dublin-Drogheda services when I worked near the line in 1985, though refurbished PRs (with BR Van) were working these services when I visited Ireland in 89/90 (expecting to see a MK3 Push-Pull. PRs seemed to be the 'standard" IE suburban/secondary train during the late 80s-early 90s, remember travelling a rake of 4-5 Cravens w bogie van between Mallow & Killarney (Cork-Tralee train), seeing a PR + Bogie van of the Nenagh Branch train at Ballybrophy (001 rumoured to have 4 traction motors) and travelled from the Junction to Waterford and Rosslare in refurbished stock on a runabout ticket in 1992/3.
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In the 4mm Engine Guy Williams (Pendon loco builder) recommended p/b wire soldered to glass fiber board, collecting on the 4mm engine. (White Swan & Guy Williams 1988) I seem to have hedged my bets with my pair of Midland Tanks 556 finished most recently uses longish pieces of pb wire soldered to a single piece of pcb board mounted under the central axle, the pb wire collecting on & slightly curved around the flange. Before soldering I bend the fixed end of the pb wire at 90º and drill a shallow hole in the PCB board to pin the pb to the board before soldering. Although the finish of 556s pick-up look fairly rough when viewed from below, pick ups appear ton be reasonably effective and unobtrusive at normal viewing angles on a loco modelled with full brake gear. 553 last rebuilt about 30 years ago uses a variation of 'top wiper pick up" with pb wire bearing on the wheel tyres soldered or bolted to short pieces of copper clad fixed vertically with superglue to the loco frames. I also seem to have used copper clad sleeper (presumably with insulated gaps) fixed traversely across the top of the frames on one of my narrow gauge locos. Top-wiper pick up seems to be effective and unobtrusive on tank locos with the pick ups & pcb strip largely concealed behind the tanks and valences.
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The kit tender was based on information available at the time, a combination of a GSR diagram of a 650 Class and tender, (section or plan view unavailable) and available photographs. Decent photos of front end/interior of tenders were scarce! Kit tender wheelbase 6'+6'. Tank top/bottom of coal space appear - - - - on diagrams of earlier tenders without coal rails. Tank top/bottom of coal space possibly at bottom of flare in tank side/end on locos with coal rails, but unclear how that extra 400gal water was accommodeted on Class Z tenders
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191 & 229 finally beginning to look like locos after fitting boiler fittings and more importantly locating most of the parts required to complete the locos including what appears to be 191s missing coupling roda. The Hako FA-400 is a soldering fume filter/extractor. I just finished drilling out cab & smokebox hand/grabrail holes 0.45mm using a ball head pin vice Found a replacement cast brass chimney for 191. I need to remove and re-seat the chimney, I am not happy with the way it sits on the smokebox. Original pattern was made by removing shortening a GSR brass chimney cast for a 650 class! I'll probabably do a clean up of the etched assembly to remove excess solder, verdigris, check the fit of the various sub-assemblies and fill any gaps/holes before fitting handrails and buffer shanks! No 1/11 is now nearer to completion, I completed detailing the smokebox doors using short Gibson handrail knobs to represent handles? and handrail knobs and wire to perpesent the locking bars, but chickened out on the fine chain that secured the locking bars to the doors . I need to improve the fit and seating of the smokebox on the running board and above all source a matt/"flat finish" that will actually result in a flat finish. The smokebox is finished with a Gunze Flat Clear topcote, both the Gunze Flat Finish and Testors "Dull Cote" that I successfully used for several years no longer appear to be available.
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Snap! Picked this up at a UK exhibition 25-30 years ago. No info on photographer or publisher, photo stamped10157 at rear with hand written Sligo 2-9-52 which appears to have been a Tuesday so GAA or Seaside excursion less-likely, possiby religious or education. In his late 70s/80s IRRS papers on the Ballaghadereen Branch JP O'Dea wrote about 650 Class locos working excursion trains of 6w coaches to & from Sligo on weekends until replaced by AEC railcars.` 666 "Himself"? looks reasonably clean though the tender sides appear to be covered in dirt/muck, there is a 1956 F W Shuttleworth photo of 659 shunting the Night Mail at Sligo similarly loco appears clean while the tender side and frames appears to be covered in brake dust/road dirt. The latter Atock tenders with the combination of sprong cut-outs and tender sides/flush with the frames were almost designed to throw up road dirt & brake dust & company image/external cleanliness of locos and stock was low priority on CIE. The 650 Class are supplosed to have regularly worked the Sligo-Mullingar portion of the Night Mail until replaced by diesel during the mid-late 1950s, relatively 'high speed" duty likely to throw up road dirt/brake dust compared to similar locos working branch line mixed train and passenger duties.
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Finally resumed work on the 2 remaining J15s, had initially thought of first completing saturated Coey engine 229 (introduced) 1903) before completing superheated 191 introduced 1881 as 229 was the build was more advanced, but in the end resumed work on both locos begining with the fitting of boiler bands. I assemble the boiler/firebox of belpair boilers as separate bolt together sub-assemblies. Boiler bands are from a "Scale Link" sheet of plain and riveted strip of various widths I bought at an exhibition about 40 years ago. Scale Link was once significant supplier of sheets of etched components for building and scenic modelling and high quality vehicle (mainly pre-WW11) vehicle kits. I found that assembled Scale Link car & tractor! kits compare nicely with similar Oxford die-cast vehicles. The boilers on the J15s bought mid-2000s were rolled from sheet brass. rather than tube in my TMD versions of the loco. I formed one end of the strip into a L or U to fit into the slot/hole/seam and soldered at one end only before forming round the boiler or firebox then forming an L/U at the loose end pulling tight and soldering in place. Smoke boxes and boilers are again formed as bolt together sub assemblies. Completed boiler-smokebox sub-assemblies 191 mock up with boiler fittings, safety valves possibly Markits or Wizard, dome lost wax casting from Jeremy Suter master for 650 Class, funnel/chimney lost wax casting prepared from cut-down master of Inchacore pattern chimney fpr 650 Class. I need to check if I have a replacement chimney in stock/repair the existing chimney or order a replacement from the local brass casters. Another challenge is to finalise 191s suspension system I originally intended to trial CBS for comparison with the beam compensation fitted to my other 21mm gauge steam outline locos, but there my be sufficient clearance between the High Level Load Haulier gearbox and the mainframes/hornblock units for CBS to reliably operate. While the majority of my loco fitted with High Level Gearboxes use a Roadrunner gearbox the wider Load Hauler gearboxes were supplied (possibly 15-18 years ago) for the 2007 pair of J15! Other challenge is that I seem to have mislaid/'disappeared" the coupling rods I used to set up 191s hornblocks 7-8 years ago, but have several sets of spares etched from the same photo-tooling so should be OK.
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Probabably still goes on, I understand that about 30 years ago loco maintenance staff at Inchacore were severely pissed off when bogies from withdrawn 001 Class locos kept as spares were scrapped without consulting maintenance during a scrap drive. Often stopped/withdrawn locos/rolling stock are used as a source of spares, with usable parts removed 'as required" rather than removed and stored.
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The J4/257 & similar J9 351 Class 0-6-0s appear to be reasonable candidates for a 3D printed body to run on a Bachmann 3F or 4F chassis. Both classes have a coupled wheelbase of 7'7"+8'6" compared with 8'+8'6" for the British locos. The J4 257 Class introduced 1913 appear to have been highly regarded locos suitable for both goods and secondary passenger work and a popular choise for both cattle and horsebox specials (A Decade of Steam and Locomotives of the GSR). The J4 was basically an updated superheated verison of the J9 introduced 1903 first batch of J9 had a low running plate with slotted splashers similar in appearance to J15, 1912 batch J9 similar in a appearance to J4. J9s also carried out main line passenger work1951 photo of 353 (1903 batch) on Rosslare-Dublin Mail Wexford Nth Aug 1954 (A decade of Steam)
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