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Over on the Irish Railways Present, Past & Other Interesting Railways Facebook Group, we're holding a Donegal-themed Zoom night on Tuesday 25th Jan (you don't have to be on Facebook to view, actually fair play if you're not on it  ). Kick off is at 19:45, but we might open the doors early if people want to have a chat. https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3040263673

https://www.facebook.com/events/436147631524188

• Jim McBride of Donegal Railway Heritage Centre will discuss the recent renovation of original Donegal loco "Drumboe" and tell us about their exciting plans for the future.
• Richard Logue, Transport Consultant, will discuss the All-Ireland Strategic Rail Review.
• David Walsh will give a round up of the latest news from the Irish railway scene.

Bring your own beer/tea/cake.

All welcome very welcome to join in!  

Link:

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3040263673

Meeting ID: 304 026 3673

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There is a small Zephir LOK 1400 loco in Inchicore, only there a few years. Can't remember what the power source is, might be diesel. I believe it's very much restricted in use but powerful for its size.

Wow. You've certainly captured the atmosphere of Heuston quite nicely. Well done.

1 hour ago, Blaine said:

Its moreso the RPSI stuck in the late 1950's thats the problem, in every aspect. I'm a former working volunteer before anyone thinks I should join to help....

And a very hard working if unsung one too.

6 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

Somone will have to photoshop some black and green cravens for us. I wonder would IE object to using orange coaches now? Putting the cravens into there prototype livery 

I'm not sure what the situation is now having left a few years ago. I do remember at the time there being hesitation as there's still an association in the public's mind with black and orange as being "diesel" distinct from the steam image. I would guess IÉ no longer have an issue though as it's no longer their own brand.

15 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

I would have liked to have seen these coaches with even the top orange band completed to make a more consistent but completely fictional livery 

I agree, from memory it was just one of those things we never got around to. I and other brush/sprayer wielders actually considered the idea of early 50s two tone green way down the road when the blues came round for repaint. Sadly those who didn't wield the brushes imposed otherwise. C'est la vie. An interesting speculative model though...

On 14/1/2022 at 9:32 AM, Mayner said:

My mistake it was E428 430 was scrapped to provide parts for 428, in order to survive WISRA had to change from being a railway preservation society to an excursion train operator where there was no room for sentimentality about prototypical livery.

Its unlikely that CIE marketing and legal people would have been particularly happy with another company infringing on its corporate image by using CIEs logos livery and styling.

Its likely that the RPSI always painted its coaches in a different colour scheme to CIE/IE and NIR stock for much the same reason, the RPSI Laminates originally appeared with green bottom panels to blank out the CIE Tan before re-painting the coaches in a more historic livery.

 

Yep. History repeated itself when we got the first Cravens in 2006, and 1529 and 1539 received lime green below the waist (as IÉ still had Cravens in service). 1539 later got a darker shade (snaps of both below should they be of use to anyone).

Tony, the late Carriage Officer who oversaw the Cravens set renovation, used to joke that he made up the requirement with a (now retired) IÉ officer but based on meetings I was in there was definitely some weight to it.

The "blue and yella" came about via discussion of the stewards and volunteers working on the bodywork, a vote was had and then did it went to board. Idea was to give a contrast with the green liveried heritage set. The blue and cream later came from some others outside the carriage department (incidentally the cream is the same as used by Bord na Móna).

I actually quite like the weird and wonderful preservation era liveries; a model of a laminate set in Westrail livery would look the business. At this stage they're as part of Irish railway history as anything.

Actually, it occurs to me that the GSRPS had their own brown & cream livery too, pity it never got out on the mainline.

It's not a Spielberg production, but the some camcorder footage of 124 at Rosslare and Waterford on the Waterford 150 special, 25th September 2004.

Sound from about 6:50 is worth putting up the volume up for.

226's restoration over the decades is an inspiring tale of perseverance in Irish preservation. Well worth supporting https://www.irishtractiongroup.com/join

If we're applying Rule 1, I might repaint a Woolwich in 'might have been' MGWR tourist train livery (had they arrived a few decades earlier) - any excuse for a bitta blue & yella stripe. 

There's a photo in Ernie Sheperd's book on the Midland Great Western of the first one in MGWR livery (complete with MGWR number) - it's a works photo so probably never left Broadstone like that with the GSR takeover.

8 hours ago, hexagon789 said:

While this is undoubtedly an ECS working, in one of the IRRS Journals of the 1970s I do remember reading of an unusual working in the news section - an orthodox set on a Dublin-Cork working augmented by two Mk2D standards and EGV on the rear. All conveying passengers as far as I could make out.

 

 

Interesting - I've seen pics of Cravens and/or BR vans transferred on the back of mkII sets but not with pax.

It would also suggest that the train changed from screw link to buckeyed couplings midway.

17 hours ago, connollystn said:

That's most likely the train for Sligo. All the crap was used on that line.

Just a stock transfer from Heuston/Inchicore to rotate the mk2s on the Sligo set. 

Excuse the photo quality (I'd borrowed the family digital camera for the day but it wasn't the most advanced, nor was I ), but the stock formation might be interesting to some.

184 on a stock transfer at Connolly, consisting of: mkIId Restaurant, mkIId standard, BR van and another mkIId standard.

29th October 2005.

13 hours ago, Warbonnet said:

Would everyone buy an Irish steam locomotive though? The hobby seems to have focused on diesels and I was told by a couple of traders that the Bachmann moguls were a tough sell when they came out... 

In furtherance to this, I actually remember the black ones being available in Marks into the mid 2000s (and I think they came out 2000?). They must have been there a good 3/4 years before selling out.

That said, I'd love a J15 or K2, but with there only being 2 of the latter I appreciate that mightn't be a runner... 

Anyway, my layout-to-be will be set in a corner of the multiverse were a Woolwich was saved and runs with preserved coaching stock.

There's a few threads on these at the moment, here's 5233 in the consist of the morning Sligo-Connolly at Enfield, 23rd July 2005.

I've another somewhere of such a coach added to the back of a Rosslare prior to a big GAA day, must dig out.

After a period they could end up mixed in with standard sets, I've a pic somewhere of 5233 attached to the back of a Rosslare to stengthen the regular 6+van set for a hurling match. Seen them mixed into Sligo sets too. 

The upholstery had a sort of lilac hue (very briefly considered retrieving the seats when we stripping parts for preserved Cravens back in the day as @mphoeymight recall). I quite liked them.

16 hours ago, Mayner said:

A Nohab is certainly a possibility NOHAB tendered to supply locos to the GNR (I) during the 1950s possibly its standard European and North African GM powered design.

The proposal was for a GM powered A1A A1A which was too long to fit the Dundalk Works traverser.

Hmmm... I've been looking for an excuse to get one. 

The NOHAB is inspired... quite possibly what they should have gone with back in the 50s.

There's definitely footage of a 121 and and AEC pushpull set at Greystones on the Markle Irish Rail Archive - South East video.

2 hours ago, Barl said:

 

I also remember seeing a random music video featuring an 071 but can't remember the name of it...

 

There's a Westlife video featuring a mkIII pushpull at Limerick, can't remember which song off the top my head.

I see a Dark Stranger (1946) features a GSR liveried 800 arriving at Kingsbridge; rare enough to see moving footage of a loco in the livery of Ireland's finest railway company. (Whereas say the GNR survived as an entity long enough for the cine enthusiasts to capture it).

Received today. It struck me that many (bigger and with more resources) companies I've worked for or bought from wouldn't bother, a simple but lovely touch.

Mine arrived sain et sauf today - nothing says festive like Saturday post!

2 hours ago, josefstadt said:

The vans were only vacuum braked, not dual braked. The through pipes connected the loco to the air brakes on the wagons, running along the outside of the underframe. The vans were, if I remember correctly, T.L.A.

ah yes... my brain wasn't engaged phrasing that earlier!