30 ton brake van liveries.

[patrick]

Did any of the 30 ton brake vans wear the yellow and black stripes on the duckets and the CIE roundal before being painted brown? I have found several photos from the mid sixties showing them in grey with the flying snail but none with the stripes. Also it seems that brake vans were repainted brown fairly quickly after 1970. How late could you see a grey one still in service? Thanks.

Edited July 27, 2021 by patrick
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[jhb171achill]

12 minutes ago, patrick said:

Did any of the 30 ton brake vans wear the yellow and black stripes on the duckets and the CIE roundal before being painted brown? Thanks.

Yes, they did.

All brake vans were plain grey up to about 1964, around when the "wasp stripes" on the ducket (with plain black above and below it) were added.

Since the "flying snail" was only applied to wagons up to the very end of 1962 / possibly VERY start of '63, it follows that if the van has a "snail", no stripes at all.

However, they started putting "roundels" on them JUST before the wasp stripes, so a van with a roundel but no stripes is possible, but short lived - a bit like an "A" class with "IR" "set-of-points" logos over a tippex-less CIE orange & black livery.

Throughout the sixties, you'd see a van which hadn't been repainted, running with snail and no stripes, alongside a grey van WITH stripes - and a roundel.

It was only in 1970 they started painting wagons and vans brown, so all brown vans had stripes and roundels.