UTA Loco Hauled Coaches Livery?

[Auto-Train Original]

I have a pair I want to paint into the loco-hauled green livery. They problem is I can't find photos of the location of the straw coloured line below the windows. Was this line directly below the carriage window frames or was there a gap? Many thanks in advance.

[jhb171achill]

4 minutes ago, Auto-Train Original said:

I have a pair I want to paint into the loco-hauled green livery. They problem is I can't find photos of the location of the straw coloured line below the windows. Was this line directly below the carriage window frames or was there a gap? Many thanks in advance.

Depended on the exact coach design but generally about 3-4 inches below the bottom of the windows, or across the nearest line of beading.

Lining was a straw colour, rather than yellow. It was about an inch wide and edged both sides with an extremely thin red line.

Coach ends black and roofs mid-grey when fresh, but quickly darkened in use.

[Auto-Train Original]

Thank you very much jhb171achill. I could not find prototype photos anywhere.

[jhb171achill]

35 minutes ago, Auto-Train Original said:

Thank you very much jhb171achill. I could not find prototype photos anywhere.

Some re-panelled suburban stock had the line quite close to the bottom of the windows….

[jhb171achill]

Derelict at Antrim, late 1960s. Aluminium-repannelled 1920s non-corridor NCC suburban stock, withdrawn mid-60s.

Incidentally, note the size of the UTA crest. The bought transfers that are available of both the original 1949-61 "roundel" with the red hand, and the later crest as seen here, are both weel over scale size. I must measure the actual ones some time as I have copies somewhere.... maybe someone can print scale sized ones!

(H C A Beaumont collection)

Edited October 9 by jhb171achill

[Galteemore]

5 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Derelict at Antrim, late 1960s.

Disappointed, JHB. When I read that opening line I thought we were finally getting chapter 1 of your long awaited autobiography. 

 

[jhb171achill]

8 hours ago, Galteemore said:

 

I've been derelict in many a place, Galteemore, but only once did I get derelict in Antrim, as I wasn't driving that day................

[Auto-Train Original]

Are the surburban stock similar to the Airfix models?

Edited October 10 by Auto-Train Original

[jhb171achill]

1 hour ago, Auto-Train Original said:

Are the surburban stock similar to the Airfix models?

Which ones?

They’d have the body outline if standard NCC / LMS stock, not anything British Rail related.

[Auto-Train Original]

these lads

https://directoryproductimages.blob.core.windows.net/mediaimages/hornbylmssuburbanrakes_header1.jpg

[jhb171achill]

Yes, very much so. And as an added bonus you’ve the right hand one in oven-ready NCC livery (though they were wooden-panelled into UTA days).

Stock like this behind a RTR Jeep would fill a LOT of missing gaps in northern modelling, which like CIE modelling thirty years all too idtdn has to be filling by simple repaints of British stock otherwise unlike anything which ever ran here.

When I get a moment I’ll post a list of things suitable for NCC / UTA / early NIR modelling.

[leslie10646]

 

Are these not better still?

https://www.themodelcentre.com/r4800pre

You could just stick NCC on them and off you go - at £30 a go, they're a snip.

OR:

I think this was the coach which which supposed to be like a "Larne Steel". Certainly they are also similar to the coaches JB's Dad took in a moment of dereliction? Hornby R4657A. This one cost me £25 at a Warley event, but they seem to be much dearer now, even if you can find them! I must put this one into service!

[jhb171achill]

4 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

 

Are these not better still?

https://www.themodelcentre.com/r4800pre

You could just stick NCC on them and off you go - at £30 a go, they're a snip.

OR:

I think this was the coach which which supposed to be like a "Larne Steel". Certainly they are also similar to the coaches JB's Dad took in a moment of dereliction? Hornby R4657A. This one cost me £25 at a Warley event, but they seem to be much dearer now, even if you can find them! I must put this one into service!

Very much so, Leslie!