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Steam Locomotives- dimensions for J5 and J18/19

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Does anyone have or know where I could find information on the size of these locomotives excluding tenders. The length from front to back including or excluding buffers would help me identify possible donors for conversion.

 

The J5 has 5ft 8in wheels which would suggest a length of around 22ft. J18/19s have 5ft 3in wheels suggesting a length of about 19 to 20ft.

 

MikeO

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Alan O'Rourke's Irish Railway Modelling magazine has had many inserts of loco drawings. I lent mine to someone so I can't be sure if these classes were among them - can anyone else comment?

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